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tigermonstera

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More than 100 platform shelters in southeast Wales have either been replaced or refurbished as part of a £2 million, 18-month long station project.

The work, which has predominantly covered the Core Valley Lines, was described as a “targeted improvement for customers”.

Several different designs of shelter have been installed including barrel roof, green roof and Voyager.

Work has taken place on more than 60 different stations from Barry Island in the south to Merthyr, Aberdare and Rhymney in the north.

Some designs, including Penarth and Grangetown, saw combination shelters built with bike storage in the same design.

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Also: In a Senedd Plenary last week, Ken Skates, in response to a question by Julie Morgan, gave an update on the Coryton Line:
I am delighted that new trains will be introduced, from next month, in fact, on the Coryton, Penarth and Caerphilly lines.
Alongside the introduction of those new trains, I'm very pleased to be able to share with the Member news today that we are looking to operate Sunday services on the Coryton line from this December's timetable change
 

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Notable sections from today's Spending Review relating to the South Wales Metro:
£300 million for rail investment in Wales, including for the Burns Review stations, North Wales Level Crossing, Padeswood Sidings and Cardiff West Junction. This SR and the upcoming 10-year Infrastructure Strategy will recognise Wales’ long-term infrastructure needs and will deliver at least £445 million of rail enhancements to realise them.
£48 million for the Welsh Government for enhancements of the Core Valley Lines rail network. This is in addition to the £300 million of rail enhancement funding in the Department for Transport (DfT) settlement for schemes in Wales. See DfT’s settlement page for further information.
 

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Hmm, Cardiff West is great to see! I wonder what the £48m covers? Potentially Cardiff West and coryton passing loop?
 

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Hmm, Cardiff West is great to see! I wonder what the £48m covers? Potentially Cardiff West and coryton passing loop?
Cardiff West isn't within the CVL, so I think that would be part of the £300 million? As for the £48m, Ely Mill may be a candidate for funding as (according to Cardiff Council's most recent Corporate Plan) its construction depends on City Line frequency enhancement, which Cardiff West's upgrade will now bring closer to fruition.
 
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Cardiff West isn't within the CVL, so I think that would be part of the £300 million? As for the £48m, Ely Mill may be a candidate for funding as (according to Cardiff Council's most recent Corporate Plan) its construction depends on City Line frequency enhancement, which Cardiff West's upgrade will now bring closer to fruition.
Ah good point, so I suspect it would be coryton doubling and then yeah probably something like ely mill, or perhaps crwys road / gabalfa if they're delayed due to funds.
 

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Hmm, Cardiff West is great to see! I wonder what the £48m covers? Potentially Cardiff West and coryton passing loop?
Apologies for my ignorance, but will Cardiff West have any impact on line capacity west of Cardiff? Still only an hourly service to Maesteg, whilst other lines in the Core Valleys will shortly have four trains an hour, and twice hourly to Ebbw Vale and Rhymney. I know we'll still need a passing loop, so not holding my breath.
 

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Cardiff West only impacts the lines to Grangetown and Fairwater, so not relevant for Maesteg.
 

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Yeah to clarify what is commonly referred to as "Cardiff west" when it comes to talk of future enhancements is specifically the junction between the VOG lines and the city lines. There's an awkward gap currently where trains are forced onto a single track where ideally they wouldn't be, this would allow for 4tph on the city line.
 

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Yeah to clarify what is commonly referred to as "Cardiff west" when it comes to talk of future enhancements is specifically the junction between the VOG lines and the city lines. There's an awkward gap currently where trains are forced onto a single track where ideally they wouldn't be, this would allow for 4tph on the city line.
Thanks for the clarification.
 

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The Cardiff West improvements would initially be at-grade to allow increase in City Line capacity from 2tph to 4 tph. But this will later need a flyover or underpass to enable Crossrail services of additional 4tph. I dont know what is considered in the budget.

These are all TfW or CC services but which are constrained by NR infrastructure.
 

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Sion Barry (brother of Prof Mark) has a piece in Wales on Line about the link between Cardiff Central & the Bay. The most notable change is that the north end of Bute Street - where it passes under the railway - is going to remain open to traffic. That being so, then surely it would be prudent to have the new Central to Bay link elevated above the road at the north end of Bute street?

I also have my doubts about extending the Tram-trains from Newport Road along the relief lines to Cardiff East Parkway. The 398’s have a maximum speed of 62mph. Surely they will slow down the normal trains on the upgraded reliefs? (60mph is the current speed limit on the reliefs between Cardiff & Newport).


  • The north section of Bute Street, travelling towards Cardiff Bay will remain open to traffic to ensure better road access between Butetown and Cardiff Bay
 
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Cardiff East (Newport Rd/Rover Way) is not Cardiff Parkway (St Mellons). I understand that Crossrail will initially terminate at Cardiff East. The extension to Parkway (along Relief lines) is aspirational at the moment.

However I cant see any problem with speed of 398s... how many trains exceed 60mph on this stretch snyway?
 

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Cardiff East (Newport Rd/Rover Way) is not Cardiff Parkway (St Mellons). I understand that Crossrail will initially terminate at Cardiff East. The extension to Parkway (along Relief lines) is aspirational at the moment.

However I cant see any problem with speed of 398s... how many trains exceed 60mph on this stretch snyway?
Well once the reliefs are upgraded to potentially as high as 90 depending on the specifics, I imagine quite a few will.

That being said I don't running them to parkway actually provides much benefits. Just swap at Newport road and avoid the whole issue of capacity and Interworking with heavy rail (I guess the occasional freight will run down the tram-train route too)
 

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Sion Barry (brother of Prof Mark) has a piece in Wales on Line about the link between Cardiff Central & the Bay. The most notable change is that the north end of Bute Street - where it passes under the railway - is going to remain open to traffic. That being so, then surely it would be prudent to have the new Central to Bay link elevated above the road at the north end of Bute street?
Looking at images of the new layout (here), the junction between Bute Street north and Callaghan Square will be one-way, southbound only, towards Herbert street only — so in theory cars coming from that direction won't cross over the tramway.
 

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Looking at images of the new layout (here), the junction between Bute Street north and Callaghan Square will be one-way, southbound only, towards Herbert street only — so in theory cars coming from that direction won't cross over the tramway.
Many thanks for the link. I think a lot of people are going to have a shock when they find the underpass under the railway at Bute Street is blocked - apart from southbound left turn only. Car drivers will be sent on long detours which will add traffic in other parts of the city centre - unless they give up on their cars!

I see what looks like grass growing between the tracks. If this is indeed going to be grass - presumably they will have to cut it?
 

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Many thanks for the link. I think a lot of people are going to have a shock when they find the underpass under the railway at Bute Street is blocked - apart from southbound left turn only. Car drivers will be sent on long detours which will add traffic in other parts of the city centre - unless they give up on their cars!

I see what looks like grass growing between the tracks. If this is indeed going to be grass - presumably they will have to cut it?
Not sure whether it's artificial or not, but grass is common on other modern tramways e.g. Manchester Metrolink in the Media City area of Salford.
 
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Not sure whether it's artificial or not, but grass is common on other modern tramways e.g. Manchester Metrolink in the Media City area of Salford.
And many European cities, it does need to be looked after though. I think it looks great and the more green space, the better.
 
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Looks like the next Cardiff Bay closure will start works to finish off platform 1:
we’ll be installing the new Platform 1 at Cardiff Bay station. The work will involve us using a crane to lift building materials over the Overhead Line Equipment (OLE) into the working area.
 

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Looks like the next Cardiff Bay closure will start works to finish off platform 1:
Why would they have not built the platform and then wired the OLE seems a bit backwards.

Good they're getting it done though.

Wow, a few weeks for platform 1 after 2 1/2 years for platform 2!
Yeah platform 2 had demolition, ground works, utility works iirc, ballast and track works AND entrance works (remember platform 2 is a lot wider than it was before). Platform 1 at this point is just place some blocks and some slabs on top. Because they already did the demolition works during the previous closure.
 
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Why would they have not built the platform and then wired the OLE seems a bit backwards.

Good they're getting it done though.


Yeah platform 2 had demolition, ground works, utility works iirc, ballast and track works AND entrance works (remember platform 2 is a lot wider than it was before). Platform 1 at this point is just place some blocks and some slabs on top. Because they already did the demolition works during the previous closure.
Yes I appreciate all of that, but my point was that the construction has to be the slowest build in history!
 
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Yes I appreciate al of that, but my point was that the construction has to be the slowest build in history!
Have you actually seen the works? It wasn't plonk a platform down, there's a whole load of works happened on the surrounding land to prepare it for future aspirations.
 

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Given the funding for Cardiff West Junction what's the likely timeline for those works and extra services? There's planned renewals in 2028 I'm assuming the works would happen as part of that and probably no earlier?
 
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Have you actually seen the works? It wasn't plonk a platform down, there's a whole load of works happened on the surrounding land to prepare it for future aspirations.
Yes I've seen it, that sort of project does not take 2 1/2 years to complete. There has been a very long go slow on it, I assume it's due to the late running of the 398s and the resulting lack of necessity for the infrastructure.
 

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Anyone know what's going on today?

Queen Street seems to be completely closed.

Yet I can't see any engineering work listed that would have this effect, or any mention of it on Twitter.

The Rhymney Line is supposed to have a full closure, but I can't see anything about all other Valley Lines services being sent down the City Line instead.

All I can see is a rather cryptic message on the web site:
Buses will operate between Cardiff Queen Street and Rhymney with a change needed at Caerphilly in both directions

Ticket Acceptance agreed with Cardiff Bus for services to Cathays and Llandaff from Cardiff Queen Street

Full details can be found below under "Other Train Service Updates"

Meanwhile the service status page is claiming a good services on all lines (except the Bay line which is closed again), presumably because the full planned services of no trains is running without delays or cancellations.

There's no "Line Update" on Journeycheck.

Realtimetrains for Queen Street is just showing some buses to the Bay in the evening.

If I were handing out prizes for good customer communications none of them would go TfW's way (e.g. saying "ticket acceptance agreed" without actually mentioning that this is because all trains are cancelled is par for the course) but they normally do better than this.
 

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