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1. Local radio blamed signalling problems for 20-minute delays in the Portsmouth area.

2. Southern have just put up a big ad sign at Southampton Airport of all places, mentioning services from 10th December. I have forgotten exactly what they are going to be doing after then, and whether there will be a Sunday service from Southampton at last.
 
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Hi first time poster...

In response to point 2, Southern are reorganising the entire timetable and changing services on the West Coastway line from 10th December. If I remember correctly, they are introducing an hourly direct Brighton-Southampton Central service. However how that affects Southampton Airport, I have no idea.
 

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Southern initially wanted the Southampton to Brighton Service to run via SAP and Eastleigh as they rightly perceived that there is a big market from SAP to south coast destinations.
Sadly the service was killed off by the objections of BBT operator of Bournemouth Branch Trains. Sunday services wll hopefully start n '09 presumng there are no further objections from BBT.
 
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Southern initially wanted the Southampton to Brighton Service to run via SAP and Eastleigh as they rightly perceived that there is a big market from SAP to south coast destinations.
Sadly the service was killed off by the objections of BBT operator of Bournemouth Branch Trains.

And rightly so too.

SN are invading SWT territory far too much trying to kill traffic.
 

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So how do BBT serve customers from SAP to Fareham, Cosham, Havant and Chichester who are all within 45 mins driving time of the airport?
 
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1. It's SWT
2. Cross platform change at Eastleigh is there not? :)
 

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Will they be sending any Soton-Victoria trains via Arundel? Nice route that!

I remember an odd service that ran a few years ago from Portsmouth-Seaford...that was a long coastal trip!
 
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All trains from Southampton towards London by the looks of it run via Arundel

Code:
Trains at HAVANT (to Chichester)
All trains from 00:01 to 10:30 on 08/01/08
Lc Arr   Dep  Wttid    Origin        Destination   Typ Days
  ****  05:01 1H81 HAVANT    05:01 VICTORIA  07:00 WTT SX
  ****  05:38 2C78 HAVANT    05:38 LONDONBDG 07:48 WTT SX
  05:53 05:54 2N06 PORTMTH H 05:34 BRIGHTON  07:10 WTT SX
  06:06 06:07 1C01 PORTMTH H 05:47 THREEBGES 07:17 WTT SX
  06:19 06:20 1N00 PORTMTH H 06:04 BRIGHTON  07:30 WTT SX
  06:36 06:37 1C92 STHAMPTON 05:48 BARNHAM   07:07 WTT SX
  06:52 06:53 1N02 STHAMPTON 06:10 BRIGHTON  08:00 WTT SX
  07:05 07:06 1C09 PORTMTH H 06:46 HORSHAM   08:05 WTT SX
  07:19 07:20 1N96 PORTMTH H 07:01 BRIGHTON  08:19 WTT SX
  07:35 07:36 1N04 PORTMTH H 07:20 BRIGHTON  08:38 WTT SX
  07:46 07:47 1C13 STHAMPTON 07:06 HORSHAM   08:45 WTT SX
  08:14 08:15 1N06 STHAMPTON 07:36 BRIGHTON  09:19 WTT SX
  08:18 08:19 2S54 PORTMTH H 08:03 LITLHMPTN 08:53 WTT SX
  08:26 08:27 1C17 PORTMTH H 08:10 HORSHAM   09:16 WTT SX
  08:44 08:45 2N12 PORTMTH H 08:26 BRIGHTON  09:48 WTT SX
  08:50 08:51 1C21 STHAMPTON 08:10 HORSHAM   09:46 WTT SX
  09:14 09:15 1N08 STHAMPTON 08:36 BRIGHTON  10:18 WTT SX
  09:18 09:19 2S56 PORTMTH H 08:59 LITLHMPTN 09:54 WTT SX
  09:29 09:30 1C25 PORTMTH H 09:12 HORSHAM   10:16 WTT SX
  09:44 09:45 2N14 PORTMTH H 09:28 BRIGHTON  10:48 WTT SX
  09:51 09:52 1C29 STHAMPTON 09:11 HORSHAM   10:46 WTT SX
  10:14 10:15 1N10 STHAMPTON 09:36 BRIGHTON  11:18 WTT SX

... continues like so until about 1700 with exception of ...
  15:10 15:11 1O98 GTMALVERN 10:43 BRIGHTON  16:14 WTT SX

  16:59 17:00 2S72 PORTMTH H 16:46 LITLHMPTN 17:38 WTT SX
  17:14 17:15 1N24 STHAMPTON 16:36 BRIGHTON  18:18 WTT SX
  17:18 17:19 2S74 PORTMTH H 17:03 LITLHMPTN 17:36 WTT SX
  17:28 17:30 1C89 PORTMTH H 17:12 HORSHAM   18:16 WTT SX
  17:44 17:45 2N30 PORTMTH H 17:28 BRIGHTON  18:52 WTT SX
  17:50 17:51 1C93 STHAMPTON 17:11 HORSHAM   18:46 WTT SX
  17:59 18:00 2S76 PORTMTH H 17:46 LITLHMPTN 18:38 WTT SX
  18:14 18:15 1N26 STHAMPTON 17:36 BRIGHTON  19:18 WTT SX
  18:18 18:19 2C83 PORTMTH&S 18:03 THREEBGES 19:30 WTT SX
  18:44 18:45 2N32 PORTMTH H 18:28 BRIGHTON  19:48 WTT SX
  18:50 18:51 1C01 STHAMPTON 18:11 VICTORIA  20:50 WTT SX
  18:54 18:55 2S78 PORTMTH H 18:36 LITLHMPTN 19:32 WTT SX
  19:10 19:11 1N28 STHAMPTON 18:27 BRIGHTON  20:18 WTT SX
  19:18 19:19 2S80 PORTMTH&S 19:03 LITLHMPTN 19:59 WTT SX
  19:44 19:45 2N34 PORTMTH H 19:28 BRIGHTON  20:48 WTT SX
  19:50 19:52 1C97 STHAMPTON 19:11 VICTORIA  21:48 WTT SX  
  19:56 19:57 2S82 PORTMTH H 19:40 LITLHMPTN 20:39 WTT SX
  20:14 20:15 1N30 STHAMPTON 19:36 BRIGHTON  21:18 WTT SX
  20:19 20:20 2S84 PORTMTH H 20:03 LITLHMPTN 21:01 WTT SX
  20:44 20:45 2N36 PORTMTH&S 20:32 BRIGHTON  21:48 WTT SX
  20:50 20:51 1C99 STHAMPTON 20:11 VICTORIA  22:50 WTT SX
  20:56 20:57 2S86 PORTMTH H 20:40 LITLHMPTN 21:35 WTT SX
  21:14 21:15 1N32 STHAMPTON 20:36 BRIGHTON  22:22 WTT SX
  21:30 21:31 2N88 PORTMTH&S 21:15 BRIGHTON  22:48 WTT SX
  21:54 21:55 1N34 STHAMPTON 21:11 LITLHMPTN 22:22 WTT SX
  21:59 22:00 2S38 PORTMTH H 21:40 BRIGHTON  23:18 WTT SX
  22:13 22:14 2C85 STHAMPTON 21:23 THREEBGES 23:42 WTT SX
  22:34 22:35 2N40 PORTMTH H 22:15 BRIGHTON  23:48 WTT SX
  22:56 22:57 1N36 STHAMPTON 22:12 LITLHMPTN 23:31 WTT SX
  23:03 23:04 2S42 PORTMTH H 22:44 BRIGHTON  00:25 WTT SX
  23:14 23:15 1N38 STHAMPTON 22:36 LITLHMTPN 23:42 WTT SX
  23:35 23:36 2S92 PORTMTH H 23:15 LITLHMPTN 00:15 WTT SX

Of particular note, 1Y25 1426 STHAMPTON - BRIGHTON does not call at Swanwick, and instead calls at Eastleigh at 1443 (arrives 1438). The same applies to 1Y20 1533 BRIGHTON - STHAMPTON, calls Eastleigh 1716 (arrives 1708)
 

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Picked up a leaflet they were handing out today...

Inside it says:

PANEL 1:

At Southern, we're always working to try and improve our service for you.
So when we heard that the new South West Trains franchise would not include a Basingstoke to Brighton service, we took up the challenge to fill the gap for our passengers.
Having listened closely to what passengers and stakeholders have to say about this situation, we're making some important changes to our services and timetables.
From 10th December 2007 we'll be introducing new West Coastway services, together with a revised timetable for Arun Valley. These changes will mean equivalent or significantly improved services for the majority of passengers.
Some passengers may find that a small number of services are not quite as frequent or convenient as before, and we apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.
We hope you find the information in this leaflet helpful.
Please let us know if you have any questions or need more advice on these new developments.
We're here to do everything we possibly can to help make your journey better. Because for us, there's only one view that really matters - yours.

Chris Burchell
Managing Director, Southern

PANEL 2:

What will these changes mean for you?

- New through service every hour Brighton-Southampton

- Faster
- Chichester-London Victoria, with most trains running non-stop between Barnham and Horsham (Off Peak every half-hour 92-97 minutes. Morning and evening train services improved)
- Portsmouth-Brighton
- Gatwick-Southampton, Swanwick, Fareham, Portsmouth, Havant & Emsworth

- More frequent
- Bognor Regis-London Victoria
- Littlehampton-London Victoria (both with 2 trains to London for most of the day)
- Chichester-Portsmouth and Southampton

- New services
- Littlehampton-Chichester and Portsmouth
- Portchester-Chichester and London Victoria

- More seats
- For busiest peak times. Extra trains arriving in Brighton between 8 and 9am

Below this is a route map of the East and West Coastway routes split up into service patterns with the stations marked by a symbol showing how many trains per hour.
Summary of what the map shows:

1 tph from each of Southampton Central and Portsmouth Harbour to London Victoria (fast Barnham-Horsham, with Soton ones calling at: Swanwick, Fareham, Portchester, and Cosham. Pompey ones calling at: Portsmouth & Southsea and Fratton. Both then calling at: Havant, Warblington, Emsworth, Southbourne, Bosham, Chichester, and Barnham);
1 tph from each of Southampton Central and Portsmouth Harbour to Brighton (with Sotons calling at: Swanwick, Fareham, and Cosham. Pompeys calling at: Portsmouth & Southsea and Fratton. After that the calling pattern becomes sketchy, each of the following stations receiving only 1tph on THIS route: Emsworth, Southbourne, Ford, Goring-by-Sea, Durrington-on-Sea; and presuming 2 tph West Worthing-Brighton then also: West Worthing will have 1 tph on the route and East Worthing, Fishersgate, and Aldrington 0 tph);
2 tph from Bognor Regis to London Victoria (slow Barnham-Horsham, with 1 tph stopping at Amberley and Christ's Hospital);
2 tph from Littlehampton to London Victoria (via Worthing, Hove, and Haywards Heath, with 1 tph stopping at Lancing and Portslade, and Littlehampton calling pattern as now along West Coastway);
1 tph from Portsmouth & Southsea to Littlehampton (calling all stations except Warblington, Bosham, and maybe Ford too - this isn't clear, see below);
2 tph from Bognor Regis to Littlehampton (calling all stations, although 1 tph may not call at Ford as this is shown to have 2 tph from this and the above 3 tph service).

East Coastway looks unchanged.

It looks like all London Victoria to Chichester trains are diverted to Bognor, and all Brighton to Littlehampton trains are diverted to Southampton.

The rest of the leaflet contains fare and timetable information
 
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The Soton Ctl / Pompey - Brightons, it's the Southampton Central service which calls Emsworth, Southbourne, etc. Aldrington is 2tph every half an hour between West Worthing and Brighton.
 

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1 tph from Portsmouth & Southsea to Littlehampton (calling all stations except Warblington, Bosham, and maybe Ford too - this isn't clear, see below);
2 tph from Bognor Regis to Littlehampton (calling all stations, although 1 tph may not call at Ford as this is shown to have 2 tph from this and the above 3 tph service).

According to NRT Table 188, Portsmouth & Southsea to Littlehampton (& vv) services call at Ford.

Therefore, (again according to NRT table 188 ) Ford has 5 tph in each direction off-peak as follows:

2 tph Bognor to Victoria (& vv)
1 tph Portsmouth Hbr to Brighton (& vv)
1 tph Portsmouth & SS to Littlehampton (& vv)
1 tph Bognor to Littlehampton. (& vv)
 

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Therefore, (again according to NRT table 188 ) Ford has 5 tph in each direction off-peak as follows:

2 tph Bognor to Victoria (& vv)
1 tph Portsmouth Hbr to Brighton (& vv)
1 tph Portsmouth & SS to Littlehampton (& vv)
1 tph Bognor to Littlehampton. (& vv)

Yes, Ford is shown to have a 5 tph service on the map, but it is split between the services described. The Portsmouth and Bognor to Littlehampton service is shown as one line through Ford with a 2 tph symbol on Ford where it is evident there is a 3 tph service there on this route. So there is 1 tph that runs Bognor to Littlehampton calling at Barnham and Littlehampton only then.
 

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All trains from Southampton towards London by the looks of it run via Arundel


Of particular note, 1Y25 1426 STHAMPTON - BRIGHTON does not call at Swanwick, and instead calls at Eastleigh at 1443 (arrives 1438). The same applies to 1Y20 1533 BRIGHTON - STHAMPTON, calls Eastleigh 1716 (arrives 1708)

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Southampton and Portsmouth Harbour trains become portions of the Bognor Regis trains detaching and attaching at Horsham and then running fast to/from Barnham via the Arun Valley.

1y26 replaces a similarly timed soton to vic service which has run via Eastleigh for some years although it has not previously been advertised as stopping there. The idea is to maintain SN drivers route knowledge so that in the event of a problem with the line via Netley SN trains are not stranded in Southampton. There is also one Littlehampton to Southampton service in the current timetable that makes an unadvertised reversal at Portsmouth & Southsea to maintain knowledge of the hilsea to cosham curve.
 
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1Y26 is currently 2Y03 2206 Southampton Ctl - Brighton, Eastleigh 2221 - 2227 although doors not booked to release
 

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There used to be a morning, circa 0815, train that stopped at Ford, then Littlehampton, then reversed and went via Angmering, presumably to Brighton.

I must be going blind and I am sure I asked this before, but is it confirmed whether there is now a Sunday service for Soton-Victoria (at last)?
 

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No, Blocked by SWT until 2009 at least. Basically because they want to reserve paths for diverted Bournemouth Branch Trains (especially as they burnt out one of the rectifiers at Portchester substation running 12 desiro ECS trains after closing fratton depot).
 
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Southern could expand 1 service into Southampton Central on Sundays easily - there is only 1 electric train per hour on that route in each direction on Sundays ...
 

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Delays on Monday caused by total outage of the new signalling system in the Portsmouth area
Portchester Sub Station now back at full strength
Once upon a time, trains ran from London Victoria to Bournemouth, via Hove. The first one across in the morning ran Fareham - Eastleigh - Bournemouth and the last one back at night ran Bournemouth - Eastleigh - Fareham. As it was formed of a Class 421 4CIG, it had little choice but release the doors at Eastleigh ;)
Regional Railways / Alpha Line / Whatever they are called this week, also know ETF and ECR.
 
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