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I suspect the costs of doing that would be horrendous - it's not an electrified line, so would mean using a 755 unit with a two person crew for just a relative handful of passengers. Probably much more useful & cheaper to pay Stagecoach to run a dedicated Ely Station - Soham bus every 15 minutes during peak times - it's only 5 miles via a decent, direct road after all...

Also, an Ely terminators the current timetable would be horrendously unproductive, and it would need to sit for nearly an hour and a half to work!

Incidentally, the Soham business case linked above indicated that providing an enhanced bus service (to half hourly, plus evenings/Sundays) instead of the station drives much higher benefits and BCR (>>4).
 
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Incidentally, the Soham business case linked above indicated that providing an enhanced bus service (to half hourly, plus evenings/Sundays) instead of the station drives much higher benefits and BCR (>>4)
Not at all surprised - it would be interesting to know why it became a 'new station' project when considerably enhancing the other transport options (e.g. dedicated, more frequent, bus link and separated cycleways) would probably have been far more useful to more people in Soham?
 

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It would be best by far for Greater Anglia to contract a bus to run Monday - Saturday between Soham and Ely in approximately the opposite hours to when they have trains, and keep it going for such years that are necessary until the train service can increase in frequency. That is unlikely to be on the table, but it's impossible to see how more trains are cost effective at the moment. There must be a suitable local coach firm who can provide an accessible daily vehicle. Only one would be needed daily.

If one were to be a little more adventurous, the bus could run hourly, and could run between Ely and Newmarket calling at Soham. This would open up much increased connection opportunities. This idea might call for a second vehicle. I'm always so disappointed that the Department just never seem to give the 'train-on-the-road' model proper consideration.
 

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If one were to be a little more adventurous, the bus could run hourly, and could run between Ely and Newmarket calling at Soham. This would open up much increased connection opportunities. This idea might call for a second vehicle. I'm always so disappointed that the Department just never seem to give the 'train-on-the-road' model proper consideration.
I guess because they know that (a) it would make a massive loss, (b) it would likely damage any other paralleling bus services, resulting in reductions in service and/or increased subsidies to those communities at current bus stops not convenient to a railway station and (c) this may lead to demands for other DfT subsidised road transport services elsewhere.

I doubt the DfT has any inclination to increase the number of service that it subsidises. I feel that a more holistic approach needs to be taken. For this to work there needs to be changes to the legislative (security of service) and financial (subsidies and how they are administered) framework that both bus and rail work under, and an acceptance by certain sections of the community that (a) rail is not always the best answer for local transport needs and (b) buses are regulated. I fear that this is an unlikely scenario in my lifetime, but I can but hope. Perhaps a test area could be set up, but getting someone to put their head above the parapet......
 

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I doubt the DfT has any inclination to increase the number of service that it subsidises.
And yet they do just that, all the time. They've not stopped a large expansion on EMR regional going ahead in two months time, despite it having been clear for most of the planning stage that the pandemic means long-term damage. The cost of these enhancements is orders of magnitude larger than the what any bus replacement contract could call for. Also, such services can officially be called 'trials' and let on fixed two year terms to see how much use they actually get. There ought be no particular concern over competing with an existing bus service either - if the Department were eager to avoid that, they erm, wouldn't pay to introduce a train service. If a bus were run in the interim before an hourly train service can be procured, when the full train service eventually did start it would have a very significantly larger user base, and therefore need less subsidy long-term. Obviously there's no real sense in starting such things in a pandemic, but if we're expecting the industry to recover passenger numbers...
 

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Never understood why they closed stations serving towns of that size on lines that remained open to passengers.

Same with WR. Can understand why the stopping services and most stations went, but closing places like Wellington (Som), Somerton Wooton Bassett, Cullompton and Corsham was madness
I guess that this is because the line only just remained for passengers (by about three trains a day in each direction, at awkward times, one of which was the North of England to Parkeston Quay Continental express). The reason why the station closed was because very few passengers used it, and the sparse local service was hopelessly uneconomic, almost certainly not covering its movement costs. What local traffic there ever was had been lost to splendid omnibus services in the late 20s/early 30s.

I know it may seem unbelievable now, but at that time the residents of Soham would have mainly worked locally, or in Ely or Newmarket, for which there was reasonably frequent bus services to the centres of the town/city, unlike the location of the railway stations. Cambridge would have been seen as a distant place and as such demand was reflected in the bus service service provision of a few trips per day. I expect if someone in Soham took a job in Cambridge they would have moved there, rather than taking the journey time and paying the fares. Social and economic changes have completely changed this landscape.

Likewise the WR stations you mention, some of which have been discussed on threads before. It was not madness. Commuting such a distance to the nearest large place was not such a thing as it now, and what was done was mainly by omnibus from the 30s onwards. The buses were more convenient to both the small town and/or the large town (thinking Wellington and Taunton for instance, and certainly Cambridge or Newmarket), much more frequent than the trains and traffic congestion was largely unknown then. Passengers travelling from Wellington or Soham to places outside the immediate locality per week could probably have been counted on both hands.

The Beeching Report cited that such stopping passenger trains were hopelessly uneconomic. They also took up line capacity. Stopping main line trains at them would have damaged their competitiveness against the nascent motorway network then in construction.

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And yet they do just that, all the time. They've not stopped a large expansion on EMR regional going ahead in two months time, despite it having been clear for most of the planning stage that the pandemic means long-term damage. The cost of these enhancements is orders of magnitude larger than the what any bus replacement contract could call for. Also, such services can officially be called 'trials' and let on fixed two year terms to see how much use they actually get. There ought be no particular concern over competing with an existing bus service either - if the Department were eager to avoid that, they erm, wouldn't pay to introduce a train service. If a bus were run in the interim before an hourly train service can be procured, when the full train service eventually did start it would have a very significantly larger user base, and therefore need less subsidy long-term. Obviously there's no real sense in starting such things in a pandemic, but if we're expecting the industry to recover passenger numbers...
I don't think EMR regional expansion [presumably you are referring to the Corby services?] is quite comparable with rural train services. Mistakes in one part of the network do not give a green light to more elsewhere.

Perhaps their concern is shown by the distinct reluctance to provide additional local, rural, stopping passenger trains?
 
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I don't think EMR regional expansion [presumably you are referring to the Corby services?] is quite comparable with rural train services. Mistakes in one part of the network do not give a green light to more elsewhere.

Perhaps their concern is shown by the distinct reluctance to provide additional local, rural, stopping passenger trains?
I actually had the North Staffordshire line in mind first and foremost, plus the forthcoming expansion of services between Lincoln and Cleethorpes, and Lincoln and Doncaster next year, which all count as little used rural services, plus very early morning and late night services between Nottingham and Norwich or Sheffield, which cannot possibly hope to cover their own costs. The Department were also pretty recently perfectly happy to increase the service between Bridlington and Scarborough to 1tph, between Hazel Grove and Buxton to 2tph and to add a number of services to Whitby, the Cumbrian Coast and the Bentham line and the Settle & Carlisle. Greater Anglia themselves also saw increases in rural services in the last decade with everything from later trains to Sheringham to better Sunday service and 1tph on the East Suffolk line. All of these count as slow rural services. Newer and costlier rolling stock is also being rolled out or is already in place on EMR and Greater Anglia rural services despite the existing Sprinter rolling stock not being life expired. Again this is an increase in cost the Department were quite happy to accept. It's also worth nothing that an existing stage carriage service, if viable, could be diverted to station forecourts and contracted in to the rail franchise service. This would be even cheaper than hiring a bus and a driver. Certainly it's costs pale into insignificance compared with the long-term expensive leases the DfT are on the hook for for the class 755 stock that will work to Soham, and the train has two crew rather than one.
 
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All these suggestions about buses, though mostly very sensible, probably fall foul of deregulation legislation.
 

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And then of course, the mere fact that the station exists can only increase political pressure to rebuild the Newmarket chord and run an Ely-Soham-Newmarket-Cambridge-Cambridge South service. Once that's done (and I think it will get done eventually, even if it's not for another 10-15 years), that's when the station will really come into its own.

DS, I think the above is what it is mostly about. Do not forget Camb North running a circular. A lot of work needed around Ely and the Newmarket line. ( Newmarket line on separate thread).

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I actually had the North Staffordshire line in mind first and foremost, plus the forthcoming expansion of services between Lincoln and Cleethorpes, and Lincoln and Doncaster next year, which all count as little used rural services, plus very early morning and late night services between Nottingham and Norwich or Sheffield, which cannot possibly hope to cover their own costs. The Department were also pretty recently perfectly happy to increase the service between Bridlington and Scarborough to 1tph, between Hazel Grove and Buxton to 2tph and to add a number of services to Whitby, the Cumbrian Coast and the Bentham line and the Settle & Carlisle. Greater Anglia themselves also saw increases in rural services in the last decade with everything from later trains to Sheringham to better Sunday service and 1tph on the East Suffolk line. All of these count as slow rural services. Newer and costlier rolling stock is also being rolled out or is already in place on EMR and Greater Anglia rural services despite the existing Sprinter rolling stock not being life expired. Again this is an increase in cost the Department were quite happy to accept.
Perhaps once the have spent their money on these they won't have any for anywhere else? A day of reckoning may be beckoning anyway. None of these are new services, and none involve buses.
It's also worth nothing that an existing stage carriage service, if viable, could be diverted to station forecourts and contracted in to the rail franchise service. This would be even cheaper than hiring a bus and a driver. Certainly it's costs pale into insignificance compared with the long-term expensive leases the DfT are on the hook for for the class 755 stock that will work to Soham, and the train has two crew rather than one.
This is true, but not very likely to happen effectively in the current legislative framework (and wouldn't fulfil the 'permanency' criteria).
 

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Also, an Ely terminators the current timetable would be horrendously unproductive, and it would need to sit for nearly an hour and a half to work!
Make them reverse at Ely, and then go to Cambridge and back ;)
 

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Perhaps once the have spent their money on these they won't have any for anywhere else? A day of reckoning may be beckoning anyway. None of these are new services, and none involve buses.
I seek to highlight the greater value for money that rail infrastructure enhancements if bus services were procured alongside them. With respect 'there isn't enough money' is thus not a sensible rebuttal, because the current government have spent vast quantities of money on new services which will generate very small benefits indeed. When contributions such as running an extra train that just works Ely to Soham and back are on the table I think it provides balance to consider alternatives.

The real reason that I think this approach isn't considered is because railways are politically 'hot' and a bus service is far less interesting in the news.

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This is true, but not very likely to happen effectively in the current legislative framework (and wouldn't fulfil the 'permanency' criteria).
Chiltern achieved it long-term between Oxford Parkway and Oxford, this is a similar situation where a rail replacement bus can run long-term. There are also a number of buses in the WTT on Sundays on some routes, and GWR complimented trains to Severn Beach with a bus for a while. Finally, there are a number of existing examples of the local bus operator being contracted-in with the rail provision.

Of course, we could be more accepting of public funds being used to build a station where there's little to no hope of delivering an hourly service, nor a through service to where most users will want to go to. But I would generally say that there are far, far better uses of the money than that, even restricting the category to new stations in England and Wales.

My personal view is that the station should be being delivered with some plan in place to get it a better service. As this is exceedingly unlikely on cost grounds to happen with rail, we need to consider alternatives. If we refuse to do so, we really ought to acknowledge the reality of that before committing public funds to a new station, and consider the priorities. After all, we wouldn't build half of a bridge and then rule out completing the job on cost grounds. Of course much of the time the funders' priorities are political first and economic second.

I have been surprised that more little-used routes haven't had their train service withdrawn and replaced with a bus during the pandemic, as the Marston Vale line has.

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Not at all surprised - it would be interesting to know why it became a 'new station' project when considerably enhancing the other transport options (e.g. dedicated, more frequent, bus link and separated cycleways) would probably have been far more useful to more people in Soham?
This is a really complex problem I think, because it repeats itself in slightly different froms well across the country. The most likely causes are probably related to election campaigning in relation to transport, snobbery from some quarters about the use of a bus that doesn't so much affect a train, and the fact that railway stations are usually very large and visible assets, wheras bus services are less tangible, even if their practical value is much greater.
 
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Or because car drivers are thought more likely to be willing to switch to rail and won't consider a bus under most circumstances? So having a station at Soham or elsewhere might persuade some of them to ditch their cars at the station and get on the train ?
 

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I guess that this is because the line only just remained for passengers (by about three trains a day in each direction, at awkward times, one of which was the North of England to Parkeston Quay Continental express). The reason why the station closed was because very few passengers used it, and the sparse local service was hopelessly uneconomic, almost certainly not covering its movement costs. What local traffic there ever was had been lost to splendid omnibus services in the late 20s/early 30s.

I know it may seem unbelievable now, but at that time the residents of Soham would have mainly worked locally, or in Ely or Newmarket, for which there was reasonably frequent bus services to the centres of the town/city, unlike the location of the railway stations. Cambridge would have been seen as a distant place and as such demand was reflected in the bus service service provision of a few trips per day. I expect if someone in Soham took a job in Cambridge they would have moved there, rather than taking the journey time and paying the fares. Social and economic changes have completely changed this landscape.

Likewise the WR stations you mention, some of which have been discussed on threads before. It was not madness. Commuting such a distance to the nearest large place was not such a thing as it now, and what was done was mainly by omnibus from the 30s onwards. The buses were more convenient to both the small town and/or the large town (thinking Wellington and Taunton for instance, and certainly Cambridge or Newmarket), much more frequent than the trains and traffic congestion was largely unknown then. Passengers travelling from Wellington or Soham to places outside the immediate locality per week could probably have been counted on both hands.

The Beeching Report cited that such stopping passenger trains were hopelessly uneconomic. They also took up line capacity. Stopping main line trains at them would have damaged their competitiveness against the nascent motorway network then in construction.

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I have to disagree with you there RT. There is a difference between a station with a hopelessly inadequate catchment area and one with a decent catchment not choosing to use it.

The Southern faced all the same problems but promoted their stations with astute publicity and made the service attractive. Perhaps Soham was odd as very few trains used the line but not places like Wellington.

I don't think the Southern Railway or Region **ever** shut a station serving a substantial town on a line that remained open, other than places like Boscombe and Margate East which were a stonesthrow from another station.

Closing most of the stations between Newbury and Exeter, and replacing all the short distance stopping services with a two hourly clockface semifast service to Exeter calling at Reading, Newbury, Hungerford, Bedwyn, Pewsey, Westbury, Frome, Bruton, Castle Cary, Somerton, Langport, Taunton, Wellington, Tiverton Jct & Cullompton would have even then provided useful revenue, as proved on the Southern route where despite the singling and appalling unreliability that resulted, the semifast Waterloo to Exeter services became one of Intercities most profitable routes in short order.
 

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Or because car drivers are thought more likely to be willing to switch to rail and won't consider a bus under most circumstances? So having a station at Soham or elsewhere might persuade some of them to ditch their cars at the station and get on the train ?
Yes it's true that some people are strongly put off by the perceived or actual quality issues with buses, but there are relatively inexpensive solutions to that by comparison with the cost of new rail provision. I agree that not having minimum quality standards for buses means they've all earnt a bad reputation, and this needs to be carefully worked on for people's perceptions to be changed over time. If the objection to a bus isn't related to quality, and only to prejudice, then I definitely think don't think can be measured as a benefit arising from building a new station which will attract few users.
 

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Or because car drivers are thought more likely to be willing to switch to rail and won't consider a bus under most circumstances? So having a station at Soham or elsewhere might persuade some of them to ditch their cars at the station and get on the train ?

Not according to the business case work, comparing the frequency a train can achieve with the frequency a bus can achieve, and factoring in the necessary infrastructure cost.

In this part of the world, if you are going to have to jump in the car to get to the station, you might as well drive the whole way.

Whereas a bus penetrates the whole of Soham very well (the village/town is long and stretched out along the 'high street'), and takes you to the centre of Ely. And has the advantage of being able to run twice per hour without infrastructure investment, whereas the rail service will be 2-hourly at best for the forseeable future.
 

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Or because car drivers are thought more likely to be willing to switch to rail and won't consider a bus under most circumstances? So having a station at Soham or elsewhere might persuade some of them to ditch their cars at the station and get on the train ?

In my case that true. As a Newmarket resident I would regularly (or at least before COVID) catch the train to Cambridge or Bury for a day out but I can't remember the last time I went to Ely on the bus even though it is a similar distance away. If I want to go to Ely I will drive.

The Soham station alone doesn't make a lot of sense but it increases the case of the west curve to enable services to Cambridge via Newmarket.
 

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I guess that this is because the line only just remained for passengers (by about three trains a day in each direction, at awkward times, one of which was the North of England to Parkeston Quay Continental express). The reason why the station closed was because very few passengers used it, and the sparse local service was hopelessly uneconomic, almost certainly not covering its movement costs.
The local train service ran to/from Newmarket, so didn't serve any regional flow; in 1958 Soham boasted a Friday night stop in the overnight Colchester-Glasgow, and a stop (about the same time!) in the day Newcastle-Colchester; I suspect military travel was a significant factor back then?
 

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. . . . . as proved on the Southern route where despite the singling and appalling unreliability that resulted, the semifast Waterloo to Exeter services became one of Intercities most profitable routes in short order.
Really? I doubt that very much.
 

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I didn't realise this piece of railway even existed - I assumed Soham was already on an active line much like the new stations at Robroyston and Worcester Parkway. Looking at the area geography and the line on a map for the first time, I see it's not - so what's the initial service plan for the trains here? Just a shuttle between Soham and Ely? Or will they go the whole length of the track to join up near Kennett station and head towards Bury St Edmunds/Ipswich? Is there any long term plan to insert a curve east of Kennett Station to enable Cambridge<>Soham<>Ely services?
 

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The real reason that I think this approach isn't considered is because railways are politically 'hot' and a bus service is far less interesting in the news.
Quite possibly.
Chiltern achieved it long-term between Oxford Parkway and Oxford, this is a similar situation where a rail replacement bus can run long-term. There are also a number of buses in the WTT on Sundays on some routes, and GWR complimented trains to Severn Beach with a bus for a while. Finally, there are a number of existing examples of the local bus operator being contracted-in with the rail provision.
The Sunday buses in the WTT and the GWR at Severn Beach are replacements of existing trains. The Oxford Parkway-Oxford buses were operated because of infrastructure delays. I cannot think of any DfT sponsored bus services of new services that have not fallen by the wayside. I think there were some SWT services Winchester-Romsey and Bentley-Bordon at one time, which were franchise commitments. The DfT will be very wary at taking on ongoing funding commitments for bus services (except where replacing an existing train service), which are normally a Local Government matter for funding. If they aren't, why are they not doing it all over the country?
Of course, we could be more accepting of public funds being used to build a station where there's little to no hope of delivering an hourly service, nor a through service to where most users will want to go to. But I would generally say that there are far, far better uses of the money than that, even restricting the category to new stations in England and Wales.

My personal view is that the station should be being delivered with some plan in place to get it a better service. As this is exceedingly unlikely on cost grounds to happen with rail, we need to consider alternatives. If we refuse to do so, we really ought to acknowledge the reality of that before committing public funds to a new station, and consider the priorities. After all, we wouldn't build half of a bridge and then rule out completing the job on cost grounds. Of course much of the time the funders' priorities are political first and economic second.
You are right, and there are other examples across the country e.g Melksham and Ashchurch. Stations don't have to have hourly services (there are plenty that don't), and the places being served by trains proposed serving Soham probably having little demand for that flow.

Agreed the station should not have been built until some plan had been funded to get it a better service (i.e. the infrastructure required for Cambridge trains, probably costing four times the amount of the station). But, of course, that would mean the station never being built. Soham, and the surrounding area, simply does not have the ability to generate the kind of business that this work, and procuring and operating the additional trains, requires. Politics rather than practicality.

This is a really complex problem I think, because it repeats itself in slightly different froms well across the country. The most likely causes are probably related to election campaigning in relation to transport, snobbery from some quarters about the use of a bus that doesn't so much affect a train, and the fact that railway stations are usually very large and visible assets, wheras bus services are less tangible, even if their practical value is much greater.
Funding largesse for railways nationally, and very little funding for buses, is a manifestation of this problem.
 

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Agreed the station should not have been built until some plan had been funded to get it a better service (i.e. the infrastructure required for Cambridge trains, probably costing four times the amount of the station). But, of course, that would mean the station never being built. Soham, and the surrounding area, simply does not have the ability to generate the kind of business that this work, and procuring and operating the additional trains, requires. Politics rather than practicality.
I think this is true, and I think that it would be acceptable if there were genuine honesty about the reason for using the station only option rather than any blended or bus related options. Unfortunately that honesty is missing from our discourse, both widely and locally. I'm in favour of the station on entirely personal grounds obviously, because in the event that I ever need to go to Soham (which I admit looks pretty unlikely, but never say never) I'd be able to get there using the mode that I most prefer, despite the likelihood that timing would be inconvenient. But that's a quite different matter to whether it's value for money.
 

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I didn't realise this piece of railway even existed - I assumed Soham was already on an active line much like the new stations at Robroyston and Worcester Parkway. Looking at the area geography and the line on a map for the first time, I see it's not - so what's the initial service plan for the trains here? Just a shuttle between Soham and Ely? Or will they go the whole length of the track to join up near Kennett station and head towards Bury St Edmunds/Ipswich? Is there any long term plan to insert a curve east of Kennett Station to enable Cambridge<>Soham<>Ely services?
Soham is on an already active line which is well used by freightliners and Ipswich to Peterborough services.
 

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I have to disagree with you there RT. There is a difference between a station with a hopelessly inadequate catchment area and one with a decent catchment not choosing to use it.
From a financial point of view, the result is the same - no passengers using the trains.
The Southern faced all the same problems but promoted their stations with astute publicity and made the service attractive. Perhaps Soham was odd as very few trains used the line but not places like Wellington.
The Southern did not have a substantial freight traffic, nor many lines passing substantial lengths of green fields where faster trains were an imperative and the local stations moribund.
The whole Southern system west of Salisbury was a hopeless loss maker, and I think no astute publicity or attractive service existed on these lines (whatever the term 'attractive' service means?). Yes they had a complex system of connecting trains, but nobody riding them!
I don't think Soham had any fewer trains stopping per day than Wellington.

Closing most of the stations between Newbury and Exeter, and replacing all the short distance stopping services with a two hourly clockface semifast service to Exeter calling at Reading, Newbury, Hungerford, Bedwyn, Pewsey, Westbury, Frome, Bruton, Castle Cary, Somerton, Langport, Taunton, Wellington, Tiverton Jct & Cullompton would have even then provided useful revenue, as proved on the Southern route where despite the singling and appalling unreliability that resulted, the semifast Waterloo to Exeter services became one of Intercities most profitable routes in short order.
There was no evidence to suggest that running a semi fast service like this would have been anywhere economic. There were no places the size of Yeovil or Salisbury without other faster trains to bolster the revenue. At the time (1964) any additional train mileage that could be afforded would have gone into increasing Inter-City fast train frequency, not no-hoper secondary services.

What evidence is there that the Salisbury-Exeter line became one of Intercity's most profitable routes?
 

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The London Waterloo - Exeter services at the time in question would have been Network SouthEast rather than Intercity wouldn't they? Then as now, this route is near unique (there is also Worcester) in permitting the use of the Network Railcard on long-distance travel. This generates an enormous differential between the London to Exeter Off Peak Return with Network Railcard at £54.45 and equivalent Super Off Peak Return for GWR services at £95.50 (or £127.30 for nearer to comparable time restrictions), with the only real limitation that this isn't possible on working days before 1000. It's such a unique situation.
 
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The London Waterloo - Exeter services at the time in question would have been Network SouthEast rather than Intercity wouldn't they? Then as now, this route is near unique (there is also Worcester) in permitting the use of the Network Railcard on long-distance travel. This generates an enormous differential between the London to Exeter Off Peak Return with Network Railcard at £54.45 and equivalent Super Off Peak Return for GWR services at £95.50 (or £127.30 for nearer to comparable time restrictions), with the only real limitation that this isn't possible on working days before 1000. It's such a unique situation.
No. The route was transferred from Intercity to London and Southeast Sector shortly after Sectorisation in the 1980's

Southern Electric Group write in

FROM 10202 TO 50050: WATERLOO - EXETER DIESEL OPERATIONS​


"The 1970s proved to be a decade far from retrenchment. By 1973 the line ranked amongst the top ten BR services based on revenue generated per coach mile with steadily increasing load factors but no real improvement in service level or capacity"


It was documented elsewhere at the time but I don't have hours to spend further scouring archives

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From a financial point of view, the result is the same - no passengers using the trains.



There was no evidence to suggest that running a semi fast service like this would have been anywhere economic. There were no places the size of Yeovil or Salisbury without other faster trains to bolster the revenue.
The financial situation on day I is the same, but good management can rectify the situation with one scenario but not with the other.

Salisbury is irrelevant as it is the line west of Salisbury that is at issue (and would have shut if certain people had had their way).

Yeovil is also a poor example and possibly the worst performing station on the line. Despite a population larger than Salisbury it barely exceeds Crewkernes numbers of about 200,000 passengers a year with some passengers, faced with a drive of several miles to the Junction station, driving to Castle Cary instead.
 
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No. The route was transferred from Intercity to London and Southeast Sector shortly after Sectorisation in the 1980's

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"The 1970s proved to be a decade far from retrenchment. By 1973 the line ranked amongst the top ten BR services based on revenue generated per coach mile with steadily increasing load factors but no real improvement in service level or capacity"
This is for the Waterloo - Exeter service, which would include a proportion to revenue between London and Basingstoke, and virtually all of it between London and Andover and Salisbury. In 1973, (and for some years afterwards) the Waterloo-Exeter service were the only through trains between London and Salisbury, augmented by a two hourly stopping service from Basingstoke to Salisbury connecting with a London train. It can be expected that the Waterloo-Exeter service took the lion's share of the traffic and revenue and would be crucial to the finances of the route. At this time Salisbury and Andover had, by far, the least frequent London service [for that distance] of any comparable places on the Southern Region.
Salisbury is irrelevant as it is the line west of Salisbury that is at issue (and would have shut if certain people had had their way).
On the contrary, it is all about Salisbury (and its environs). Taking your proposed semi-fast Paddington-Exeter service versus the semi-fast Waterloo-Exeter route. From London, the stops at Reading and Newbury are roughly equivalent (traffic wise) to those of Basingstoke and Andover on the Waterloo line. West of Newbury the Paddington train would stop at multiple stations the equivalent of the Tisburys, Gillinghams and Crewkernes of the Waterloo line. However, the Waterloo line also has the large places of Salisbury and Yeovil to provide traffic. On the Paddington line, Taunton can be discounted as the bulk of passengers would travel by the other express trains.
Neither service had or would have had any intermediate traffic to speak of, except to and from Salisbury of which there was no equivalent on the Paddington line. Yeovil people would never have gone by car to catch a train at Castle Cary in 1964, or even now - the London train service from there was no existent then and not much better with the proposed semi fast service.
As you rightly point out, the Salisbury-Exeter section was nearly closed. If the Waterloo-Exeter trains had not had Salisbury to call at, the whole line west of Andover would have gone the way of the Somerset & Dorset!

The financial situation on day I is the same, but good management can rectify the situation with one scenario but not with the other.
No, the situation on Day 1 is much worse. In the closure scenario, the staffing of some stations would be immediately saved, and the movement costs of the infrequent trains. Some revenue would have been lost, but this certainly wouldn't have paid for that. In the semi-fast scenario, some of the revenue may still have been lost (the two hourly clockface timetable not coinciding with the local travel needs) and a bucket load of extra movement costs (as the service being replaced only ran sporadically) and precious little generated revenue (how many Wellington to Bruton tickets sold on Day 1?). No chance for 'good management' to gradually win revenue - they would have been sacked in short order and the service soon cancelled.

Getting back to Soham, I can't help thinking of a SW parallel being the campaign for Sparkford station to be re-opened, for the campaigners then to discover that they would get no direct London trains......
 

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No. The route was transferred from Intercity to London and Southeast Sector shortly after Sectorisation in the 1980's

Southern Electric Group write in

FROM 10202 TO 50050: WATERLOO - EXETER DIESEL OPERATIONS​


"The 1970s proved to be a decade far from retrenchment. By 1973 the line ranked amongst the top ten BR services based on revenue generated per coach mile with steadily increasing load factors but no real improvement in service level or capacity"

"Revenue generated per coach mile" is a most unreliable guide to overall profitability. An overcrowded short train may have large revenue per coach but a less crowded train with eight coaches will generate far more revenue. A service which shares route costs with other services will normally be more profitable than one which has a route to itself. A service providing two or more trains an hour will normally accrue more earnings than one with a train every two hours. The Waterloo to Exeter service was a three car train once every two hours and shared the route costs between Wilton Junction and Exmouth Junction with no other service. It is inconceivable that it was an especially profitable service.
 

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"Revenue generated per coach mile" is a most unreliable guide to overall profitability. An overcrowded short train may have large revenue per coach but a less crowded train with eight coaches will generate far more revenue. A service which shares route costs with other services will normally be more profitable than one which has a route to itself. A service providing two or more trains an hour will normally accrue more earnings than one with a train every two hours. The Waterloo to Exeter service was a three car train once every two hours and shared the route costs between Wilton Junction and Exmouth Junction with no other service. It is inconceivable that it was an especially profitable service.
I think in the locomotive hauled era the Waterloo-Exeter trains every two hours had more than 3 carriages?
 
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