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So how well do you know your trains?

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David Goddard

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That's the challenge - how well do you know your trains?

How many of you could confidently identify a train just by it's sound.

You are blindfolded and taken to a mystery station.
On arrival you are taken to a platform and asked to listen to and identify the next train that comes in. For obvious reasons headphones would need to be applied to block out station announcements.

Confident? How many different types could you name?

If any of you have a go then do post how you get on!
 
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How many of you could confidently identify a train just by it's sound.
The only one I would be 100% confident of is at Finsbury Park LU: if I'm at the top of the steps I can identify if it's a Victoria or Piccadilly line train approaching purely by the noise. (Which is very useful!)
 

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I can distinguish between a 375 and a 377 by the noise. Other than that I likely wouldn't do very well, especially when it comes to diesels oop north.
 

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I think I could have a good go at stock that goes to nottingham. Although sprinters will be hard as 150's, 153's and 156's use the same engines! (And Some 158's use an engine from the same family)

How about this question, you're blindfolded on a train, sitting in a chair placed in a wheelchair space. (to remove the tactile input of seating) Could you tell what it is?
 

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I can identify locos quite well, my friends think its weird until I explain to them its just like knowing who's talking in a crowd, and what they look like :P
 

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At Milton Keynes station ill be able to identify between passenger stock (pendo, voyager, 377 & 350/1 &/2s). Not freight though.
 

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I'd be completely crap. I'd do OK at my local station because apart from the odd diversion only 323s ever pass through
 

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I reckon I'd be able to get a few units. Locos wise, I'd almost certainly recognise a 66 - their tone and squeal is fairly recognisable!
 

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I think I could have a good go at stock that goes to nottingham. Although sprinters will be hard as 150's, 153's and 156's use the same engines! (And Some 158's use an engine from the same family)

How about this question, you're blindfolded on a train, sitting in a chair placed in a wheelchair space. (to remove the tactile input of seating) Could you tell what it is?

150/153/156/158 all sound slightly different in their own way. It's not just the engine that makes the noise :)
 

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I think id be pretty decent, I could identify most loco classes, electric or diesel, a few DMUs, a couple of EMUs (I can tell te difference between a 507 & 508 without looking)
 

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Im never that good at this sort of thing but I reckon it would make an excellent quiz in that forum if people who record train sounds would be interested in sharing their wares.
 

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150/153/156/158 all sound slightly different in their own way. It's not just the engine that makes the noise :)

True, but it is the major source of noise, so would make things trickier than telling an MTU from a Paxman VP185
 

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I have to do this all the time. My username will give you a good clue as to why. I'm correct Id say around 95 Percent of the time due to the heightened sense of hearing being Blind gives you. I do have my Faults though. Firstly, I always have major probs telling a 66 and a 67 apart although dont ask me why and am often no go good at subclasses of passenger stock as theres often too many similaritties.



If conditions are rite, and a particular subclass is known to have a set number of coaches or something else distinctive then I have a better chance but not always. another issue I have (to my lasting shame) is not being all that good at identifying the different Pacer Classes as again theres nothing too obvious other than 142s if working singly have only 2 coaches.

The sprinter classes arnt too bad as although the traction moters are standardized over several classes, they each have something else different, usually the sound of the breaks but also sounds made by the doors opening. I woant explain in detail other than to mention that 153s/155s have a very distinctive sound when breaking due to the different equipment used compared to a 150 or 156. 158s are easy, again engine sound and the racket from the famously rubbish air con units but think I'd struggle if presented with a 158 and 159 in adjasent platforms. Warning though, the purkins engined 158s can Sometimes sound a little like 170s when idling, particularly from further away.

With diziros, other than 185s I could tell you its a diziro but not which one. Never tried it, but might be able to identify a 444 over a 450 due to door position but not tried it! Another challenge, if faced with them all in one place, or in an area where more than 1 class could work a route would be classes 320, 321, 322, 455 and 456. Out of all these the only giveaways are that 456s are 2 car and 455s compressers sound different. The SWT Refit of doors on there 455s can be a help compared to a Southern example but not always. With electrostars I would struggle to tell what was a 377 and 378 if at Say Clapham Junction but interestingly if hanging around at say Dartford, a 375 and 376 are identifiable due to the different door opening and closing sounds made by a 376.

Networkers are again more dificult as other than 466s being 2 car and some of the 465s being re-tractioned (a crime if you ask me) I couldnt tell which was which if a 365 and 465 with origional kit were side by side. The network turbos sound a bit like 158s but not too similar that they could be confused with one. If in doubt, the loveley door opperation sound of the networkers clears it up. It is however impossible audibly to tell a 165 and 166 Apart.

With 168s, 170s and 171s theres not much again to go on however on the later 170 builds theres some differences in internal door meckanisms that identify them, a fact which is true to an extent on electrostars too. 332s and 333s have similar traction sounds both to eachother and electrostars however different hussle alarms and door release tones. not much to tell between the older PEP Bassed stock but as its now so rare and scattered round the network its less problematic. The only way of telling a 220/221 from a 222 is the door hussle alarm and release alert but interestingly, classes 175, 180 and 185 which share the same traction all sound very different.

Any classes I havnt mentioned have been deliberately left out due to being easilly identifiable but as stated earlier locos are often a challenge however this is partly age related, an older enthusiast may find it much easier. With LU and DLR Stock, the newer builds on DLR Sound slightly crisper and sharper than the oldest batch in service. On LU, The only dificulty ever encountered was identifying 1967 and 1972 stock from eachother but that is not a problem now. The S7s and S8s have different door release tones. Yet to see if the new 458/5 has altered a great deal audibly which may or may not happen. This theory also works with buses and I may just have to start that thread! Feel free to ask questions and il help if I can, particularly if your struggling with a class or something. Cheers.

PS, Just realised telling a 380 from other Diziros is easy due to different door meckanisms.
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1 more obvious giveaway - if you hear the sound of angry passengers, cursing fitters and a fire engine, it means thers a 180 in the area! ↲
 

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1 more obvious giveaway - if you hear the sound of angry passengers, cursing fitters and a fire engine, it means thers a 180 in the area! ↲
And you have the above, with no passenger sounds, its a class 70!
 

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Delighted to see a lively discussion on this, and especially from Blindtraveler. your comments are most welcome and enlightening to the rest of us.

Also pleased to see the comment by Yew about being able to identify the train while being on it - I was going to mention that as well as the second part of the challenge but thought I would see how the discussion went. Keep it coming, this is good. Anyone brave enough to have a go?
 

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The only ones I can confidently identify by sound ( apart from a Deltic! ) before seeing them are the French MS61 units on RER Line A; their motors are extremely musical and they echo down the tunnels enough for me to know 15 - 20 seconds before it comes into sight if it's one or not.
 

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I can distinguish between a 375 and a 377 by the noise. Other than that I likely wouldn't do very well, especially when it comes to diesels oop north.

Not had the chance be near both units at the same time, but by any chance does it have something to do with a (somewhat irritating) buzzing noise that 375s make?
 

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I did actually do this with a friend where I got the noises from different buses and trains and tried to get him to guess them - he didn't do as well as I expected! I think I would be quite good at it actually... with units I'm familiar with, especially with the door chimes etc :)
 

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I reckon I'd be good at identifying which sort of CrossCountry traction I'm on, as long as you weren't going to ask me to distinguish between 220 and 221!!

I think they would be tricky to differentiate by sound. Externally, visually they are easy to differentiate without seeing the number
 

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I think they would be tricky to differentiate by sound. Externally, visually they are easy to differentiate without seeing the number

Unless you see the 4 car 221 of course! For a quiz, a passing sound of a 220 and 221 (full one) would be easy, as you'd just count the number of coaches.

I could probably tell the difference between a 150 and 153, especially the GW ones as to me there seems to be a slight difference, the 153's seem to roar a bit more, the 150's are most likely to hiss alot too lol!
 

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I feel that I would be able to distinguish a fair few types of stock. I often do this at Worcester so I can listen to see if my train has arrived, or it's another one on the other platform — for those whom have used Foregate Street, you'll understand what I mean where you can't see what the train is until you're next to it.

As a result of this I can tell 43/150/158/166/170/172/180. Distinguishing a 153 is often quite hard since they are usually tagged onto another class, such as 150/170. I also feel I could easily recognise a 323 upon departure as well as a 350.
 

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I don't really have any interest in the railways from a hobby perspective any more, but from commuting from Northampton to London, I know I could identify class 350, class 86 and class 90 these days.

Back in the day (from 1986 to 1993), I'd know most diesel and electric loco's.
 

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Unless you see the 4 car 221 of course! For a quiz, a passing sound of a 220 and 221 (full one) would be easy, as you'd just count the number of coaches.

No, by sight I would know that too. Counting coaches is not the way to tell them apart visually!
 

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I'd be able to tell 318s, 320s & 334s apart quite well in terms of sound, on account of them all having different door chimes. The 320's sound is probably the most distinctive one (And the most annoying).
 
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