Smoking onboard the train

[swj99]

I think that e-cigarettes should be banned as people don't actually know what is being smoked.

I believe that's a cop out, and as such do not agree with any measures which tar people who are doing nothing wrong with the same brush as criminals. And before anyone asks, it's probably a 'low tar' brush, to comply with some silly EU directive or other.

We will end up like Ireland where registered drug addicts get a free travel pass................

When ?

Free travel pass. Conditions apply (simply take dangerous drugs to qualify).

 

[Mugby]

Are you then happy to have heroin users consume it in your presence because it is being taken as a vapour instead of a smoke?

I couldn't care less what heroin users do, so long as they leave me alone!

 

[Flamingo]

It was the free pass I was wondering about, is it an automatic thing if registered as a drug addict?

 

[jon0844]

Hmm. Wonder if it's cheaper to buy drugs and become an addict than purchase a season ticket?

 

[big_dirt]

It was the free pass I was wondering about, is it an automatic thing if registered as a drug addict?

It's an automatic thing if registered disabled, which includes drug addiction.


http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056037431?page=1

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Anyway, the reasons for them travelling for free aren't as important as the fact they're using on board. So, with regard to this thread, I think it is reasonable to forbid use of e-cigs on a train as it gives drug users a way to take drugs on board.

 

[Phil6219]

Going back to what I had earlier said about train fires caused by smoking, I have finally managed to find the report to the one I was thinking of.

Cadder, 16th August 1983

Accident Summary thanks to the Railways Archive

Investigation Report PDF again thanks to RA

Makes interesting reading, though they never find the true cause with 100% certainty they do say it was most probably a cigarette that was the ignition source.

The fire began in the foam gangway unit of the fourth coach and was probably caused by a discarded cigarette end

Phil

 

[tony_mac]

So, with regard to this thread, I think it is reasonable to forbid use of e-cigs on a train as it gives drug users a way to take drugs on board.

Should paracetamol be banned because people could be taking ecstasy?

He even says about taking it on the train.

The only thing I saw in that thread was a comment that it would be possible.

 

[swj99]

I think it is reasonable to forbid use of e-cigs on a train as it gives drug users a way to take drugs on board.

By the same 'logic', would you think it reasonable to ban the use of spoons, on the basis that they can be used by heroin addicts ?

 

[big_dirt]

By the same 'logic', would you think it reasonable to ban the use of spoons, on the basis that they can be used by heroin addicts ?

If someone were to be heating the contents of a spoon, while on a train, using a lighter then I would report the matter to the guard and/or the BTP. I definitely think that heating the contents of a spoon using a lighter or a candle should be banned. The spoon itself? No. Just as e- or normal cigarettes shouldn't be banned. Just the use of them.


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Should paracetamol be banned because people could be taking ecstasy?



The only thing I saw in that thread was a comment that it would be possible.

I have heard about it elsewhere. I did a google search and that was the first thing I found.

Again, someone taking a paracetamol in a manner which matches the behaviour of drug users, while on the train, should be taken to task.

Carry a bag of paracetamol, dish them out amongst your mates and dance up and down the carriage. See what happens.

 

[island]

It was the free pass I was wondering about, is it an automatic thing if registered as a drug addict?

Registered disabled, and a few addictions qualify. They are also issued to those of state pension age. For those living outside cities the passes are (laughably) devoid of a photograph of the holder*, but photo-less passes are as valid as any others so they are easy to borrow or counterfeit. Passes can also be valid for two people, notionally when the holder has a medical certificate stating they are incapable due to age or disability of travelling alone. A project to replace them by smart cards similar to London's Freedom Pass has been indefinitely delayed due to logistical issues and lack of funding.

They are valid on buses, trains, trams, and some coach companies' services.

*The reason for this may be that back in the day they only equipped bus stations in some cities with digital cameras due to the expense thereof. Unions and Spanish practices did the rest.

 

[Clip]

It's an automatic thing if registered disabled, which includes drug addiction.


http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056037431?page=1

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Anyway, the reasons for them travelling for free aren't as important as the fact they're using on board. So, with regard to this thread, I think it is reasonable to forbid use of e-cigs on a train as it gives drug users a way to take drugs on board.

To be honest though - junkies do their gear whereever they want to anyway so im unsure why you're making a fuss about them using e-cigs as another means of getting their fix.

 

[GatwickDepress]

It would be exceedingly easy to tell if someone's smoking heroin through e-cigarette, as heroin has a very pungent odour when heated. This is usually masked with various flavourings. E-cigarettes don't really smell like anything, to be quite honest.

 

[big_dirt]

Fair enough. It's just a concern I have but it may well be unfounded and isn't specific to the railway I suppose. Nevertheless, it gives a viewpoint as to why some people might be against the using of these e-cigarettes on the railway, in pubs etc. Funnily enough, they were discussing them on the BBC Breakfast News this morning.

 

[43095john]

A while back I caught someone Lighting up at Doncaster, right next to a member of Platform staff. I told him that he was Smoking Illegaly (As he was doing no action whatsoever), before he used the "I run this station, my rules" Argument on me....

 

[johnb]

Fair enough. It's just a concern I have but it may well be unfounded and isn't specific to the railway I suppose. Nevertheless, it gives a viewpoint as to why some people might be against the using of these e-cigarettes on the railway, in pubs etc. Funnily enough, they were discussing them on the BBC Breakfast News this morning.

It's complete and utter nonsense, because e-cigarettes don't involve heat. It's a fog machine with a bit of flavouring. It would be completely impossible to take heroin that way, because heroin needs to be heated to be inhaled. It's as grounded in reality as Chris Morris's Cake.

The actual possible reason to ban ecigs, is in contexts where they could be used to mask the use of real cigs or mistaken for real cigs by passers-by with potentially argumentative consequences (basically nightclubs/other crowded areas).

That could include the railways - if someone smoked an ecig on a crush-loaded commuter train, it's possible that at least one of the 150 people in the carriage will be someone who's never heard of ecigs and thinks the person's actually smoking.

 

[Roverman]

A very silly member of the public caused chaos on the M6 Toll last year when they saw someone refilling an e-cigarette decided they were bomb-making and rang 999. I don't think the problem is the product more the human being.....

 

[tony_mac]

It's complete and utter nonsense, because e-cigarettes don't involve heat.

Here you go....
http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/everyday-innovations/electronic-cigarette1.htm

it heats a nicotine liquid and converts the liquid to a vapor, or mist, that the user inhales.

It would be completely impossible to take heroin that way, because heroin needs to be heated to be inhaled. It's as grounded in reality as Chris Morris's Cake.

The link given in http://railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1363442&postcount=90 is quite enlightening!

 

[Stigy]

£80? A VT Train manager told me it could be £4000!

The maximum fine at court would be £1,000.

Can't answer for Scotland, but certainly in England there's no Penalty Notice for Disorder for smoking that BTP can apply. An offender would have to be reported under the Railway Byelaws. As far as I'm concerned, even thouggh it's been the law in England since 2007, I'll warn an offender first, if out in the open and not right in front of a No Smoking sign, then if they persist I'll report them. If on a train, well I'm sorry but they're fair game as far as I'm concerned, as it's been an offence for many years and is clearly inside.

 

[Ediswan]

It's complete and utter nonsense, because e-cigarettes don't involve heat. It's a fog machine with a bit of flavouring. It would be completely impossible to take heroin that way, because heroin needs to be heated to be inhaled. It's as grounded in reality as Chris Morris's Cake.

e-cigarettes do involve heat. That is how they produce the smoke/fog. A quick search suggests they run at about 60 degrees celsius, but capable of getting a lot hotter if the heating element is not wetted by the intended liquid.

As for using them to take heroin. No idea. I did find some online discussions by those keen to explore the possibility, but my brief look did not spot a clear conclusion.

 

[johnb]

I stand out-pedanted. Yes, they involve heat, but they don't run *hot*, in a "hot enough to smoke drugs" sense of the term. In the same way that my laptop is currently running an internal temp of about 70C, but banning me from using it on the train in case I used it as a way of taking heroin would be silly.

 

[Dolive22]

I stand out-pedanted. Yes, they involve heat, but they don't run *hot*, in a "hot enough to smoke drugs" sense of the term. In the same way that my laptop is currently running an internal temp of about 70C, but banning me from using it on the train in case I used it as a way of taking heroin would be silly.

Suck in air from the air vent on a train and see what happens.

Anyway, off the top of my head I think most processors shut down before 70 to avoid heat damage.

 

[yorksrob]

Well, this thread has gone a long way from reminiscing about the smoking carriages of old !

 

[Butts]

Well, this thread has gone a long way from reminiscing about the smoking carriages of old !

Indeed, life was a lot simpler in those halcyon times - smoking on trains, planes and and (hired) automobiles