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Example timings from the 1978 GB timetable:
Euston 0050 (ready to board from 2330)
Stafford 0249
splits to
Stoke 03s22
Stockport 04s03
Manchester P 0417 (vacate by 0800)
and
Crewe 0318
Liverpool LS 0407 (vacate by 0800)

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And a snap of a summary page at the start of the timetable book
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Example timings from the 1978 GB timetable:
Euston 0050 (ready to board from 2330)
Stafford 0249
splits to
Stoke 03s22
Stockport 04s03
Manchester P 0417 (vacate by 0800)
and
Crewe 0318
Liverpool LS 0407 (vacate by 0800)

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

And a snap of a summary page at the start of the timetable book
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Echo the people in the thread who say it is easy to romanticise sleepers. The reality for those of us who have used them many times is they are highly unenjoyable to be honest.

I have done sleeper travel in various countries.

You can't see anything because it's dark, so even if you are interested in railways that bonus is negated.

As this timetable shows, typically the last pickup may be close to or even after midnight. You will be woken mid-journey by inexplicable stops and jolted starts. Then you will definitely be woken up around 5am when the first stops are made and people start getting off.

This is my experience recently on the (super smooth) Chinese overnight sleeper from Beijing to (Wuxi, Suzhou and then) Shanghai and, indeed, on all the sleeper trains I have taken.

4 hours sleep at best. Maybe 5-6 if you pack eyeshades and earplugs. Turfed out of your cabin as soon as you nod off again.
 

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There were Euston-Manchester/Liverpool sleepers up to the early 80s Mk3 takeover I think. I slept on one to go to a job interview in the Liverpool area in about 1983ish.
It ran later than that - I did it in September 1991.
 

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Depends a bit on how deeply you sleep. When I took the Penzance sleeper with my partner, I woke up pretty much every time the train stopped, and she just slept right through. But then she also sleeps through thunderstorms and even a minor earthquake which of course woke me.
 

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Echo the people in the thread who say it is easy to romanticise sleepers. The reality for those of us who have used them many times is they are highly unenjoyable to be honest.
There was one GB journey where I always got a sleeper berth if one was available.

That was on Freedom of Scotland Rovers when I went to do the Far North and/or Kyle lines. Going north I would always travel "on the cushions" but coming south I'd try to get a sleeper Inverness-Glasgow. The train departed at 2350 but berths were usually available from about 2215, and the first stop after departing Inverness was Carr Bridge at 0040. It was possible to be asleep before 2300 and not be interrupted by the intermediate stops.

The train was due into Glasgow at about 0545, so I'd arrange for the steward to bring me tea and biscuits at 0530. On arrival at Queen Street it would be a cross platform interchange onto the 0600 to Fort William/Mallaig, and the prospect of more tea once the buffet opened.
 

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There were Euston-Manchester/Liverpool sleepers up to the early 80s Mk3 takeover I think. I slept on one to go to a job interview in the Liverpool area in about 1983ish.
As I recall the Manchester and Liverpool sleeper was threatened with withdrawal in the early 1980s but was reprieved until a decade later, finally being withdrawn at the end of the 1991 summer timetable in September of that year. I think the Barrow and Holyhead sleeper finished at the same time. I rather suspect that the Manchester/Liverpool service only lasted as long as it did because of the outcry about its planned withdrawal from MPs who used it, though.

I think when BR ordered the Mark 3 sleeping cars, the number of vehicles ordered was based on existing late 1970s/early 80s sleeper service patterns, but in the event the number of sleeper services withdrawn in the early 80s meant that there were enough Mark 3s for a number of the then remaining secondary sleeper services that hadn't originally been expected to get Mark 3s, such as the Manchester/Liverpool.
Something worth adding (remembering that this is the mk1 era with 'to track' toilets) is that Euston platform 15 was equipped with troughs between the rails, so that any use of the toilets was managed.
So was Manchester Piccadilly Platform 12 and (I think) all platforms at Paddington. If you look carefully those troughs are still in situ at Paddington but have now been filled in with ballast.

I don't remember any platforms at King's Cross being so equipped, so not sure how sleeping car toilet waste was dealt with there, although I believe that some Eastern Region Mark 1 sleeping cars latterly had a retention toilet system of sorts but it wasn't a very sophisticated system.
 

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I rather suspect that the Manchester/Liverpool service only lasted as long as it did because of the outcry about its planned withdrawal from MPs who used it, though.
Members of Parliament were a significant group who used sleepers, and of course well placed to give influence on their continuation, despite losses. It was a particular factor in the proposed closing of the Waverley route, where a sleeper to London lasted to the final day, and longstanding MP for the area David Steel, newly elected at the time, was to the fore in campaigning for the service to continue. There was a particular outbound from London peak for them on Thursday evenings, as Parliament sat later then than now, and it has long been normal to do Monday to Thursday in Parliament, and Friday to Sunday in their constituency. BR always maintained an office in Parliament which used to handle all the necessary reservations etc. Nowadays if you want to meet a group of MPs the departure lounges at Heathrow and City airports on Thursday evenings are good places.
 

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In the mid-1970s this was how the incoming Sleeper services were dealt with at Euston to allow Sleeping Car Passengers to remain in their berths until 0730.

The method of operation was reasonably interesting. Sleeping Car passengers were allowed to remain in their berths until 0730, meaning that the station would soon fill up with trains that couldn't be moved until after 0730. So to free up platform space this is how the operation worked.
First in would be 1A00 2046 from Barrow-in-Furness due in at 0228. The train was usually made up with a TPO vehicle at the front, followed by several Mark 1 Full Brake Vans, then three or four Mark 1 passenger coaches, with two Sleeping Cars and a Mark 1 Full Brake on the end. (At one time this had an extra Sleeping Car which was attached at Preston). On arrival the Station Pilot engine (normally a class 25) would go onto the back, and the Full Brake plus the two Sleeping Cars would be detached. These would then be shunted into Platform 15, on top of a pre-positioned AC Electric Loco which would heat the stock overnight. The Pilot engine would then be detached for the next move. In the meantime another loco would be attached to the other part of 1A00, removing the stock to Willesden at 0330.
Next in would be 1A01 0027 off Manchester, due in at 0412. This would also be made up of up to seven passenger Mark 1 coaches and Vans, with three to four Mark 1 Sleeping Cars on the back plus another Mark 1 Full Brake. The station Pilot would pick up the Van and Sleeping Cars and add them to the other Sleeping Cars off 1A00 in Platform 15. Another engine would attach to the other bit of 1A01 and work the stock to Willesden at 0500.
1A02 0030 off Liverpool, due in at 0441, would be of a similar composition to 1A01. The Station Pilot would pick the Sleeping Cars and van off the back of 1A02 and attach them to the others off 1A00/1 in platform 15. The rest of 1A02 would depart for Willesden at 0545.
The last one to involve shunting would be 1A04 0110 from Holyhead due in at 0613. Formed similarly to 1A01/2 it had one or two Sleeping Cars plus another Full Brake at the back. Again the Station Pilot would shunt the Sleepers and Van onto the others in Platform 15. The rest of 1A04 would depart for Willesden at 0650. The train in Platform 15 was now a mixture of Sleeping Cars and Vans, and would remain there until the passengers had vacated their berths, departing as 5A50 to Willesden at 0750. During the day Willesden would be busy reforming these Sleeping Cars into the northbound services for the next evening.

These movements would free up platform space for the rest of the Overnight Sleepers coming from further afield.

1M13 2210 off Glasgow ran via the GSW route via Kilmarnock, due in at 0524, not leaving for Willesden until 0830.
1M11 2310 off Glasgow due in at 0534 remained in the station until 0815 before leaving for Willesden.
1M10 2230 off Glasgow, also ran via Kilmarnock, due in at 0557, and was worked out to Willesden at 0755.
1M12 2140 off Perth (started from Inverness on Sunday Evenings) was due in at 0634 also had a TCV (Twin deck Car carrier) on the back, which required the Station Pilot to detach it and move it to 19 road in the Parcels area for unloading. The rest of 1M12 left the station at 0725 (which was the one exception to the 0730 rule for the Sleeping Car passengers, in this case 0715).
1M15 1930 off Inverness due in at 0713 departed for Willesden at 0822.
1M14 2230 off Stranraer Harbour due in at 0743. This train ran via the Birmingham area, but didn’t stop there, mainly to ‘lose it’ for a while so a platform could be freed up to deal with it by the time it got to us. The empty stock departed for Willesden at 0839. This service sometimes would produce one of the small number of Stanier Full Brakes (Plain Blue Livery) attached to the rear.
The following year would see the introduction of another extra service from Inverness & Fort William, 1M16.

Andy.
When it is set out like this, and remembering the various postal trains as well, you can start to understand why later departures/earlier arrivals of day services could coincide with withdrawal of night services due to not only platform capacity but ECS moves to/from depots. Late evening London departures would have been busier with Newspaper trains where the return 'Up' trains would usually have been ECS to a depot or carriage sidings.
 

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Did you manage to find anything? Believe the very last one from Stranraer on Sunday 13th May 1990 was a 10.46 p.m. departure.
I'm so sorry, it slipped my mind. If I haven't replied with details in a few days, do remind me again please!

The issue is when I don't have immediate access to my books, so I have to remember to look when I get back and of course - I forget! ;)
 

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Echo the people in the thread who say it is easy to romanticise sleepers. The reality for those of us who have used them many times is they are highly unenjoyable to be honest.

I have done sleeper travel in various countries.

You can't see anything because it's dark, so even if you are interested in railways that bonus is negated.

As this timetable shows, typically the last pickup may be close to or even after midnight. You will be woken mid-journey by inexplicable stops and jolted starts. Then you will definitely be woken up around 5am when the first stops are made and people start getting off.

This is my experience recently on the (super smooth) Chinese overnight sleeper from Beijing to (Wuxi, Suzhou and then) Shanghai and, indeed, on all the sleeper trains I have taken.

4 hours sleep at best. Maybe 5-6 if you pack eyeshades and earplugs. Turfed out of your cabin as soon as you nod off again.
Having recently taken Caledonian Sleeper to Fort William, I can't think of a better way to get to that part of Scotland due to how remote it is.

But that journey is long enough that it's light when you depart and you've got time to have breakfast.
 

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Having recently taken Caledonian Sleeper to Fort William, I can't think of a better way to get to that part of Scotland due to how remote it is.
Indeed. Even if you take a flight from London up to Inverness, you're still some 75 miles (two hours) away from Fort William.
 

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Members of Parliament were a significant group who used sleepers, and of course well placed to give influence on their continuation, despite losses. It was a particular factor in the proposed closing of the Waverley route, where a sleeper to London lasted to the final day, and longstanding MP for the area David Steel, newly elected at the time, was to the fore in campaigning for the service to continue. There was a particular outbound from London peak for them on Thursday evenings, as Parliament sat later then than now, and it has long been normal to do Monday to Thursday in Parliament, and Friday to Sunday in their constituency.
This continued through to at least the 1980s. At that time most MPs were men, and had jobs outside of parliament, many in the City or law courts. They worked in the morning, had a good lunch, and Commons sittings started at 1430. Divisions at the end of Commons debates were at 2200, and on Thursday night it was then a fast car to the relevant London terminus for the sleeper back to the constituency.

Announcements of sleeper withdrawals in the 1980s inevitably were followed by an adjournment debate in the Commons, where all of the relevant MPs turned up and made speeches, then a junior transport minister would have to reply.
 

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Members of Parliament were a significant group who used sleepers, and of course well placed to give influence on their continuation, despite losses. It was a particular factor in the proposed closing of the Waverley route, where a sleeper to London lasted to the final day, and longstanding MP for the area David Steel, newly elected at the time, was to the fore in campaigning for the service to continue. There was a particular outbound from London peak for them on Thursday evenings, as Parliament sat later then than now, and it has long been normal to do Monday to Thursday in Parliament, and Friday to Sunday in their constituency. BR always maintained an office in Parliament which used to handle all the necessary reservations etc. Nowadays if you want to meet a group of MPs the departure lounges at Heathrow and City airports on Thursday evenings are good places.
David Steel was on the last Up sleeper on the Waverley Route and was woken up by the police at Newcastleton with a request to reason with the protesters to disperse who were blocking the level crossing gates.
 

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The fare supplements for sleeper travel might be of historical interest:
Summer 1955 Timetable, London Midland Region
1st Class 27s 0d (£1.35) England to stations South of Carlisle or Berwick,
same for North of Carlisle/Berwick and anywhere in Scotland.
1st Class 36s 0d. (£1.80) Anywhere South of Carlisle/Berwick to Carlisle/Berwick & anywhere in Scotland

3rd Class in 4 berth compartments, areas as above 11s 0d (£0.55) or 12s 6d. (£0.62.5)
(These were ex-LMSR sleepers)

3rd Class in 2 berth sleepers, areas as above, 16s 0d (£0.80) or 18s 6d (£0.92.5)
These were BR Mark1 sleepers, only available on a few services,

By the Summer 1964 timetable, Carlisle & Berwick were classed as "within England" for the purpose of sleeper supplements also 2nd class (formerly 3rd) 4 berth sleepers were no longer available
Costs were
1st Class 40s. 0d. (£2.00) London to anywhere in England, Wales or Scotland
35s 0d. (£1.75) England (except London) to Scotland
30s 0d (£1.50) England (except London) to anywhere in England or Wales; anywher within Scotland
2nd Class equivalents were 26s 0d (£1.30), 20s 0d (£1.00), except for 22s 6d (£1.12.5) for sleepers entirely within Scotland.

Note that in 1964, due to WCML electrification, some southbound and a few northbound sleeper services for London were diverted to Marylebone, St. Pancras or Kensington Olympia.
Passengers were usually permitted to remain in berths until 07:30 - "unless otherwise indicated in the timetables".
Berths could usually be occupied around 23:00 to 23:30 on services departing after midnight.

The 1964 timetable also included some "car sleeper" services, summer only:
London - Stirling & Sutton Coldfield - Stirling, each 3 days per week.
Manchester Central - Dover (for Boulogne ferry), also 3 days per week.

In addition to routes not listed elsewhere in this thread, the following sleepers also ran in 1964:
London Euston - Whitehaven Corkickle (SX, no return sleeper) (via Barrow)
London Euston - Oban (via Callendar & Oban line)
London Paddington - Birkenhead Woodside
Bristol T.M. - Newcastle
Manchester Piccadilly - Plymouth.

Eastern & Western Region sleepers would be shown in their own timetables.
 

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As part of my All Line Rail Rover trips in the mid 1970s, I travelled on two sleeper services:
1. A Sunday service from Crewe to Glasgow Central, leaving at around midnight / 1.00am; I'm not sure what time it would have arrived at Glasgow Central, but I'm assuming that I had a little lie in on arrival.
2. A Monday service from Inverness to Euston. This was probably the 19.30 departure and 07.13 arrival referred to by Andy R. A. in post 43, although it may have been later; I know that I had time for a couple of pints in the pub opposite Inverness station! I definitely had a little lie in on arrival at Euston.

These would have been Mark 1 sleepers and were, as far as I can remember, reasonably comfortable. I don't remember any disturbances on the former, but on the latter, I do remember being woken up at a yard near Carstairs (I can't remember the name) where the diesel loco was changed to an electric one.

I'm sure that I paid a surplus fee for these on top of my Rail Rover, but what it was I now have no idea.
 

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As part of my All Line Rail Rover trips in the mid 1970s, I travelled on two sleeper services:
1. A Sunday service from Crewe to Glasgow Central, leaving at around midnight / 1.00am; I'm not sure what time it would have arrived at Glasgow Central, but I'm assuming that I had a little lie in on arrival.
2. A Monday service from Inverness to Euston. This was probably the 19.30 departure and 07.13 arrival referred to by Andy R. A. in post 43, although it may have been later; I know that I had time for a couple of pints in the pub opposite Inverness station! I definitely had a little lie in on arrival at Euston.

These would have been Mark 1 sleepers and were, as far as I can remember, reasonably comfortable. I don't remember any disturbances on the former, but on the latter, I do remember being woken up at a yard near Carstairs (I can't remember the name) where the diesel loco was changed to an electric one.

I'm sure that I paid a surplus fee for these on top of my Rail Rover, but what it was I now have no idea.
The former would have been the then Birmingham to Glasgow and Edinburgh sleeper prior to it starting back from Bristol and later Plymouth. The split a Carstairs may not have been noticeable as the sleepers were 'protected' by vans and coaches on either side.

The loco change on the latter would have been at Mossend Yard.

Yes, sleeper supplements applied for travel with a Rail Rover.
 

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The former would have been the then Birmingham to Glasgow and Edinburgh sleeper prior to it starting back from Bristol and later Plymouth. The split a Carstairs may not have been noticeable as the sleepers were 'protected' by vans and coaches on either side.

The loco change on the latter would have been at Mossend Yard.

Yes, sleeper supplements applied for travel with a Rail Rover.
Ah, thanks for that; my memory's not all that it should be!
 

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Depends a bit on how deeply you sleep. When I took the Penzance sleeper with my partner, I woke up pretty much every time the train stopped, and she just slept right through. But then she also sleeps through thunderstorms and even a minor earthquake which of course woke me.
Exactly the same with me and the wife on the sleeper from Paddington to Truro. We had a quick drink in the lounge car then turned in just after the train left Reading. Almost as soon as her head hit the pillow (in the bottom bunk) she was asleep, I eventually dozed off but woke up at about every stop and on some occasions when the brakes come on for speed restrictions, etc.

When the SCA knocked on the door, around Bodmin Parkway, I'd probably had 3-3½ hours sleep at best; she'd had around a good 6 hours. When she asked me how I'd slept and I told her she said it could be that I wasn't able to sleep that well because my brain was telling me (subconsciously) that as a long time railwayman (driver) I just shouldn't be sleeping on a moving train, probably some merit in that.

Like your partner, my wife once slept through a minor earthquake/tremor, I don't know how they manage that!
 
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Any idea where i could find the timetable for the Euston to Thurso sleeper, if one still exists?
Some passing reference here, depart Euston 1830, arrive Thurso 1530 next day:


"All Aboard The Jellicoe Express – The Orkney News
We know only too well in Orkney what being at the tail end of a supply chain can be like. Supermarket shelves can very quickly empty when there is a delay – usually weather related – to foodstuffs being transported from south. Many a military campaign has faltered when supply chains became stretched and could not keep up with those in the front line.

The role of railways to transport men and armaments became of vital importance during the Boer war.

During the First World War on the continent of Europe both sides used trains to transport large numbers of troops to the front lines. Transport and Supply During the First World War

The logistics of moving large numbers of men within the British Isles was extremely complicated.

1 to get them across the Channel to the Western Front
2 to get them to bases in the UK and in particular the Royal Navy’s fleet at Scapa Flow, Orkney
By the end of the war over 460,000 horses and mules had been transported from Britain and Ireland to the Front. Motorised vehicles, still in their infancy were also sent over as was some rolling stock from the railways. The only way to move large numbers of military personnel within Britain was to use the railways.

The Jellicoe Express
Robert Foden gave a fascinating and extremely well researched talk on Tuesday the 12th of February on the role of the Jellicoe Express. To a packed Orkney Vintage Club meeting in the King St Halls he told the story of the vital role the railways played in the supply chain.

The Jellicoe Express aka ‘The Misery Express’ – official name The Euston to Thurso Naval Special – ran from February 1917 to April 1919.

On the 5th of August 1914 the Government took control of the running of the railways in Britain. At the start, transporting men and munitions from one end of Britain to the other was rather chaotic. There was a shortage of staff as men enlisted to fight the war to end all wars and women were recruited for some tasks. The railway structure was under stress as passenger trains were being used. Military personnel were being stranded, trains were overcrowded and mail was not being delivered but accumulating in large piles away from its final destination.

The British Grand Fleet was stationed at Scapa Flow, Orkney.

Inverness became a central hub for ensuring that mail and men could reach Scrabster for their onward journey to ships anchored in Scapa Flow. And , of course, similarly when on Leave and journeying south.

Captain Rowley was put in charge of Transport at Inverness on 19th of August 1914. Hotels were requisitioned for the use of military personnel. The Defence of the Realm Act meant that the north of Scotland (including Orkney ) became a military area. If you wished to travel you required documentation. The delays in moving military personell around became increasingly problematic and by the 15th of February 1917 , Captain Rowley had organised the Euston to Thurso Naval Special – the Jellicoe Express (so named unofficially after Admiral of the Fleet John Jellicoe)

The train, a double locomotive, consisted of up to 14 carriages including sleeping quarters for officers and some compartments for prisoners. With such a long journey food was supplied for those travelling north to take up their deployment. Bagged teas were supplied to officers and at Inverness there was a sit down breakfast often catering for up to 460. An official refreshment stall at Dingwall served 134,864 cups of tea in this time.

On its route from Euston the train stopped only a few times to take on water ( steam trains in those days) and to allow men to be transported to other bases. Despite it being an incredibly long journey (700 miles) it kept very much to time.. It had a winter and summer timetable. In the summer leaving Euston at 6.30pm to arrive in Thurso the next day at 3.30pm. Comparing it to travel today by the same means there is very little difference in time taken.

Military Police frequently checked the train carriages which on the south bound route often contained survivors of shipwrecks.

In the winter snow was a problem and on 12th of January 1918 in a dreadful blizzard the Jellicoe Express and a rescuing snow plough became stuck a few miles outside of Thurso. The next day men walked into Thurso. It was a week before the line was cleared which meant running a train to Invergordon instead from where men were shipped north.

Delivering the mail to those serving on board the vessels of the Grand Fleet in Orkney was an extremely important function of the Jellicoe Express with sorting taking place on the northern part of the journey.

Once at Scapa Flow the Imperious became the Post Office where mail was sorted and delivered to the awaiting vessels. Something like 50,000 letters and parcels a day were sorted 80 million in total being delivered over the period. It provided banking facilities and also delivered English and Scottish newspapers – hot off the press which were sold, profits going to the war disabled.

The last run for the Jellicoe Express was on 30th of April 1919 until it was resurrected for duties in World War 2.

This was a fascinating story and particularly relevant given Orkney’s commemorations last year ( 1918- 2018 Orkney Images Marking the Ending of World War I ),this year of the Scuttling of the German Fleet in 1919 in Scapa Flow and the work being done to record the wrecks. (#Scapa100 at Stromness Museum)

Robert Foden’s talk was both informative and entertaining. The Orkney Vintage Club hold events throughout the year. You can find our more on their Facebook page: Orkney Vintage Club

If travelling by train look out for the Blue Plaques commemorating the Euston to Thurso Naval Special at some railway stations."
 

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Some passing reference here, depart Euston 1830, arrive Thurso 1530 next day:


"All Aboard The Jellicoe Express – The Orkney News
We know only too well in Orkney what being at the tail end of a supply chain can be like. Supermarket shelves can very quickly empty when there is a delay – usually weather related – to foodstuffs being transported from south. Many a military campaign has faltered when supply chains became stretched and could not keep up with those in the front line.

The role of railways to transport men and armaments became of vital importance during the Boer war.

During the First World War on the continent of Europe both sides used trains to transport large numbers of troops to the front lines. Transport and Supply During the First World War

The logistics of moving large numbers of men within the British Isles was extremely complicated.

1 to get them across the Channel to the Western Front
2 to get them to bases in the UK and in particular the Royal Navy’s fleet at Scapa Flow, Orkney
By the end of the war over 460,000 horses and mules had been transported from Britain and Ireland to the Front. Motorised vehicles, still in their infancy were also sent over as was some rolling stock from the railways. The only way to move large numbers of military personnel within Britain was to use the railways.

The Jellicoe Express
Robert Foden gave a fascinating and extremely well researched talk on Tuesday the 12th of February on the role of the Jellicoe Express. To a packed Orkney Vintage Club meeting in the King St Halls he told the story of the vital role the railways played in the supply chain.

The Jellicoe Express aka ‘The Misery Express’ – official name The Euston to Thurso Naval Special – ran from February 1917 to April 1919.

On the 5th of August 1914 the Government took control of the running of the railways in Britain. At the start, transporting men and munitions from one end of Britain to the other was rather chaotic. There was a shortage of staff as men enlisted to fight the war to end all wars and women were recruited for some tasks. The railway structure was under stress as passenger trains were being used. Military personnel were being stranded, trains were overcrowded and mail was not being delivered but accumulating in large piles away from its final destination.

The British Grand Fleet was stationed at Scapa Flow, Orkney.

Inverness became a central hub for ensuring that mail and men could reach Scrabster for their onward journey to ships anchored in Scapa Flow. And , of course, similarly when on Leave and journeying south.

Captain Rowley was put in charge of Transport at Inverness on 19th of August 1914. Hotels were requisitioned for the use of military personnel. The Defence of the Realm Act meant that the north of Scotland (including Orkney ) became a military area. If you wished to travel you required documentation. The delays in moving military personell around became increasingly problematic and by the 15th of February 1917 , Captain Rowley had organised the Euston to Thurso Naval Special – the Jellicoe Express (so named unofficially after Admiral of the Fleet John Jellicoe)

The train, a double locomotive, consisted of up to 14 carriages including sleeping quarters for officers and some compartments for prisoners. With such a long journey food was supplied for those travelling north to take up their deployment. Bagged teas were supplied to officers and at Inverness there was a sit down breakfast often catering for up to 460. An official refreshment stall at Dingwall served 134,864 cups of tea in this time.

On its route from Euston the train stopped only a few times to take on water ( steam trains in those days) and to allow men to be transported to other bases. Despite it being an incredibly long journey (700 miles) it kept very much to time.. It had a winter and summer timetable. In the summer leaving Euston at 6.30pm to arrive in Thurso the next day at 3.30pm. Comparing it to travel today by the same means there is very little difference in time taken.

Military Police frequently checked the train carriages which on the south bound route often contained survivors of shipwrecks.

In the winter snow was a problem and on 12th of January 1918 in a dreadful blizzard the Jellicoe Express and a rescuing snow plough became stuck a few miles outside of Thurso. The next day men walked into Thurso. It was a week before the line was cleared which meant running a train to Invergordon instead from where men were shipped north.

Delivering the mail to those serving on board the vessels of the Grand Fleet in Orkney was an extremely important function of the Jellicoe Express with sorting taking place on the northern part of the journey.

Once at Scapa Flow the Imperious became the Post Office where mail was sorted and delivered to the awaiting vessels. Something like 50,000 letters and parcels a day were sorted 80 million in total being delivered over the period. It provided banking facilities and also delivered English and Scottish newspapers – hot off the press which were sold, profits going to the war disabled.

The last run for the Jellicoe Express was on 30th of April 1919 until it was resurrected for duties in World War 2.

This was a fascinating story and particularly relevant given Orkney’s commemorations last year ( 1918- 2018 Orkney Images Marking the Ending of World War I ),this year of the Scuttling of the German Fleet in 1919 in Scapa Flow and the work being done to record the wrecks. (#Scapa100 at Stromness Museum)

Robert Foden’s talk was both informative and entertaining. The Orkney Vintage Club hold events throughout the year. You can find our more on their Facebook page: Orkney Vintage Club

If travelling by train look out for the Blue Plaques commemorating the Euston to Thurso Naval Special at some railway stations."
Thank you for interesting information.
 

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I'm currently reading 'Britain's railways in World War I' published 1967 by JAB Hamilton who served in that war. He includes a short chapter on the Highland Railway in wartime. He shows the March 1918 timetable of the Naval Special on its Highland leg between Perth and Thurso. The southbound train stopped at Kingussie at 7.45pm 'For Dinner Baskets only'. He records the service began 15 February 1917 running every night until 30 April 1919 with 14 coaches from Euston. The first coaches were detatched at Inverkeithing for Rosyth with the sleeping car for officers running only as far as Inverness. The average speed for the overall journey was 33mph northbound and 32mph southbound. Between Perth and Thurso the average speed was just 26mph. The southbound train was due into Inverness at 5.35pm and if it arrived before 6pm officers could get a whisky & soda with their sit-down tea, but if was any later they had to do without.
 
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