Simple excess question

[Chris-P]

I am going down to kent on one day, but am not sure if I will be travelling back one evening (off peak) or the next morning (peak). If I buy an off peak return (return valid one month after purchase) will I be able to excess the return portion to a peak.

 

[mumrar]

I am going down to kent on one day, but am not sure if I will be travelling back one evening (off peak) or the next morning (peak). If I buy an off peak return (return valid one month after purchase) will I be able to excess the return portion to a peak.

You will be able to excess the return half, but when you excess the ticket type I don't think fare halving occurs, so it'll be the full peak fare you excess to.

 

[Chris-P]

You will be able to excess the return half, but when you excess the ticket type I don't think fare halving occurs, so it'll be the full peak fare you excess to.

They don't do month long anytime returns though

 

[mumrar]

They don't do month long anytime returns though

In that case, if you return in the peak you'll need to buy a peak single. The general ruling where there's only an off-peak period return is available is journeys under 50 miles

 

[John @ home]

I am going down to kent on one day, but am not sure if I will be travelling back one evening (off peak) or the next morning (peak). If I buy an off peak return (return valid one month after purchase) will I be able to excess the return portion to a peak.

They don't do month long anytime returns though

Can you be clearer, please? I think we need origin, destination and the ticket type you expect to hold when you may want an excess fare. Also, railcard details if one is involved.

John

 

[Chris-P]

Can you be clearer, please? I think we need origin, destination and the ticket type you expect to hold when you may want an excess fare. Also, railcard details if one is involved.

John

Going from colchester --> High Brooms, leaving tuesday 16th october around lunch time, returning to colchester either wednesday evening (off peak) or thursday morning (peak), I have a 16-25 railcard

 

[Greenback]

There is no ticket to which you cna excess. theefore, you wll have to buy a single if you want to return before your of peak ticket is vaid.

 

[Chris-P]

There is no ticket to which you cna excess. theefore, you wll have to buy a single if you want to return before your of peak ticket is vaid.

can you excess off peak single to off peak return?

 

[Greenback]

Not sure, it's a long time since I worked in the booking office! I wouldn't like to give you wrong advice, so I'll leave it to people with more up to dae knowledge!

 

[John @ home]

returning to colchester either wednesday evening (off peak) or thursday morning (peak)

If you return on the Thursday morning, would both the High Brooms - London and London - Colchester legs of the journey occur at peak times?

John

 

[Chris-P]

If you return on the Thursday morning, would both the High Brooms - London and London - Colchester legs of the journey occur at peak times?

John

I'm not sure if going from london to colchester in the morning is peak (it would be peak if going the other way, as I'd be aiming to arrive in colchester at around 0820)

 

[John @ home]

I'm not sure if going from london to colchester in the morning is peak (it would be peak if going the other way, as I'd be aiming to arrive in colchester at around 0820)

Yes, it is a peak journey. The restictions for a Colchester to High Brooms Off-Peak Return are:

Restriction : 7B
Restriction applies Mondays to Fridays only.
OUTWARD TRAVEL
Morning Peak.
By any train scheduled to arrive at London Terminals at or after 1000.
By any train scheduled to depart London Liverpool Street after 09:30.
Evening Peak.
Not valid on any train departing London Terminals between 1629 and 1834 inclusive (1900 for departures from London Kings Cross), with the following exceptions (see notes* below)
RETURN TRAVEL
Morning Peak.
By any train scheduled to arrive at London Terminals at or after 1000.
By any train scheduled to depart London Liverpool Street after 09:30.
Evening Peak.
Not valid on any train departing London Terminals between 1629 and 1834 inclusive (1900 for departures from London Kings Cross), with the following exceptions (see notes* below)
NOTES. (Outward and Return)
* Travel is permitted on the 16.34 from London Liverpool Street to Braintree for destinations Hatfield Peverel to Braintree only.
* Travel is permitted on the 18.03 from London Paddington for passengers travelling to Newton Abbot, Crediton or beyond.

can you excess off peak single to off peak return?

I think we have debated this topic before and we came to the conclusion that the rules are silent about when the right to excess a ticket ends. Those working in the industry took the view that you should have no difficulty excessing an off peak single to an off peak return before or during the outward journey but that few staff would be willing to issue such an excess after the outward journey had been completed. They took the view that the contract for travel had been completed and the ticket had no residual value.

John

 

[Chris-P]

Yes, it is a peak journey. The restictions for a Colchester to High Brooms Off-Peak Return are:I think we have debated this topic before and we came to the conclusion that the rules are silent about when the right to excess a ticket ends. Those working in the industry took the view that you should have no difficulty excessing an off peak single to an off peak return before or during the outward journey but that few staff would be willing to issue such an excess after the outward journey had been completed. They took the view that the contract for travel had been completed and the ticket had no residual value.

John

so basically, buy an off peak single, then either excess to OP return, or buy a new anytime single if needed then?

 

[John @ home]

so basically, buy an off peak single, then either excess to OP return, or buy a new anytime single if needed then?

That depends when you will know whether you will be returning at a peak time. If you don't know until the outward journey has been completed, then the excess option may not be available to you.

John

 

[Chris-P]

That depends when you will know whether you will be returning at a peak time. If you don't know until the outward journey has been completed, then the excess option may not be available to you.

John

ah, well, since it's only £3 more than the single, I'd be best off getting the return then

 

[John @ home]

ah, well, since it's only £3 more than the single, I'd be best off getting the return then

If you do buy an Off-Peak return and then find that you can't use the return part and must buy an Anytime single, the unused portion of the Off-Peak return ticket remains valid and is valid for break of journey. So, even if you don't go back to High Brooms within a month, you may be able to get some use from the ticket.

John

 

[Chris-P]

If you do buy an Off-Peak return and then find that you can't use the return part and must buy an Anytime single, the unused portion of the Off-Peak return ticket remains valid and is valid for break of journey. So, even if you don't go back to High Brooms within a month, you may be able to get some use from the ticket.

John

oh, so I could in theory only buy a single to London later on in the month and use the return part for that, that's good!