Signals New Cross Gate to Norwood Junction

[ikcdab]

Hi all, I am looking to build some models of the 1950s concrete signal gantries erected on the southern region.
Pictures of these are difficult to find, there is a poor one in this link https://sremg.org.uk/RlyMag/CompletionOfBrightonLineC-LSignalling.pdf

From this I have created the 3d image below but I am missing details of the steps etc.

I understand from advice elsewhere that some of these still exist between New Cross Gate and Norwood Junction and I would like to get some pictures of them.

Does anyone on here have any pictures of these signals or is able to get and or know how I might get some?

On another forum, a helpful person posted the picture below.
Can anyone identify the location as it looks as if it is accessible from the station platform? I think this might be Anerley.

Many thanks
Regards

Ian

 

[Skoodle]

That photo is taken at Honor Oak Park on the Up Sussex Slow (Northbound). However, it was taken before the platform was lengthened and replaced. There are numerous other places they can still be seen. Brockley/Forest Hill/Anerly/Penge West etc.

 

[zwk500]

Also have a look at various cab rides on Youtube. The more recent ones have high definition cameras and you can slow the frames down to pause the video at the right spot.

 

[Railsigns]

That structure is a cantilever, not a gantry.

 

[LLivery]

I live along this route - the pic is deffo Honor Oak Park.

I've got a few pics with them in but they're not as clear as the pic above (grew out of spotting tbh). If you need a picture of both sides of one, there's one just south of Forest Hill station, just next to a road/path (link). I could have a walk and get a few pics of it tomorrow if you need?

 

[ikcdab]

I live along this route - the pic is deffo Honor Oak Park.

I've got a few pics with them in but they're not as clear as the pic above (grew out of spotting tbh). If you need a picture of both sides of one, there's one just south of Forest Hill station, just next to a road/path (link). I could have a walk and get a few pics of it tomorrow if you need?

Hi there, that would be brilliant, thanks. Particulrly the steps and ladders.
Thanks!

 

[swt_passenger]

I live along this route - the pic is deffo Honor Oak Park.

I've got a few pics with them in but they're not as clear as the pic above (grew out of spotting tbh). If you need a picture of both sides of one, there's one just south of Forest Hill station, just next to a road/path (link). I could have a walk and get a few pics of it tomorrow if you need?

If you move the viewpoint on the linked Streetview image you can see quite well how the sloping section has steps cast into it.

 

[LLivery]

Hi there, that would be brilliant, thanks. Particulrly the steps and ladders.
Thanks!

Noted!

If you move the viewpoint on the linked Streetview image you can see quite well how the sloping section has steps cast into it.

I never noticed it before. I'll see how well my zoom works!

Hi there, that would be brilliant, thanks. Particulrly the steps and ladders.
Thanks!

Took a walk this morning. I got pics through the fence of both the cantilevers on the Up Fast/Slow and the Down Fast (closer to the station). The files are too big for the forum, so the easiest way was to Twitter upload

The Down only covers the fast, so I thought that'd be quite good too. I think that's unique, at least around here anyway.

Couldn't get a great shot of the steps on the Up Cantilever, but the Down is better. Hope that helps!

 

[ikcdab]

Hi there, that's really helpful! Thank you so much. Hope you had a good walk!

 

[LLivery]

Hi there, that's really helpful! Thank you so much. Hope you had a good walk!

No worries at all - I do like having a quiet Sunday walk around the area!

Hope it goes well!

 

[Skoodle]

I've just had a look at some recent route learning video (couple of years old though and only have the Southbound version). It seems only place you'll find them at stations is Forest Hill on northbound platform, Penge West and Anerley. There are plenty of others though between stations.

Forest Hill Northbound


Penge West Northbound


Penge West Southbound


Anerley Northbound


Anerley Southbound (Some work has been done around here to the wall, can't remember if it's still there)


This one is just before Honor Oak Park

 

[Deepgreen]

There used to be one of those at Clapham Junction's p16 and it was partly-demolished in, I think, the 1980s, leaving a concrete stump about ten feet high for decades afterwards.

 

[zwk500]

There used to be one of those at Clapham Junction's p16 and it was partly-demolished in, I think, the 1980s, leaving a concrete stump about ten feet high for decades afterwards.

I'm sure some of the Southern lattice Gantries in other parts used to carry Semaphores! I'm hoping these gantries survive long enough to get ETCS Block markers on them.

 

[Deepgreen]

That structure is a cantilever, not a gantry.

Correct, but such structures have been called gantries (wrongly, maybe) for decades. Gantries have a support at each end. It's just a bit cumbersome to say 'signal cantilevered support structure'. What strikes me is how simple and elegant they are compared with some of today's giant structures, which look as if they are designed to last for thousands of years!

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I'm sure some of the Southern lattice Gantries in other parts used to carry Semaphores! I'm hoping these gantries survive long enough to get ETCS Block markers on them.

Absolutely - in very many cases. I'm pleasantly surprised that so many of the concrete ones have lasted well enough to see new signal heads mounted thereon. Edit - I found a couple of my shots of the 'before' and 'after' at CJ's p16!

 

[Railsigns]

It's just a bit cumbersome to say 'signal cantilevered support structure'.

That is cumbersome, yes, but saying cantilever or bracket is no more cumbersome than incorrectly calling it a gantry.

What strikes me is how simple and elegant they are compared with some of today's giant structures, which look as if they are designed to last for thousands of years!

They are quite nice. I have a couple of old BR photos showing one newly installed without the signal heads, and one loaded onto a flat wagon for delivery to site.

 

[Deepgreen]

I've just had a look at some recent route learning video (couple of years old though and only have the Southbound version). It seems only place you'll find them at stations is Forest Hill on northbound platform, Penge West and Anerley. There are plenty of others though between stations.

Forest Hill Northbound
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Penge West Northbound
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Penge West Southbound
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Anerley Northbound
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Anerley Southbound (Some work has been done around here to the wall, can't remember if it's still there)
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This one is just before Honor Oak Park
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Including signal T1 at Anerley.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Including signal T1 at Anerley.

Which I think was formally an automatic signal No: CA142 ?

 

[zwk500]

I've just had a look at some recent route learning video (couple of years old though and only have the Southbound version). It seems only place you'll find them at stations is Forest Hill on northbound platform, Penge West and Anerley. There are plenty of others though between stations.

It may just be the camera angle but some of those cantilevers appear to have a substantial lean to them!

 

[londontransit]

Hi all, I am looking to build some models of the 1950s concrete signal gantries erected on the southern region.
Pictures of these are difficult to find, there is a poor one in this link https://sremg.org.uk/RlyMag/CompletionOfBrightonLineC-LSignalling.pdf

From this I have created the 3d image below but I am missing details of the steps etc. View attachment 128790

I understand from advice elsewhere that some of these still exist between New Cross Gate and Norwood Junction and I would like to get some pictures of them.

Does anyone on here have any pictures of these signals or is able to get and or know how I might get some?

On another forum, a helpful person posted the picture below.
Can anyone identify the location as it looks as if it is accessible from the station platform? I think this might be Anerley.
View attachment 128791
Many thanks
Regards

Ian

Hi all, I am looking to build some models of the 1950s concrete signal gantries erected on the southern region.
Pictures of these are difficult to find, there is a poor one in this link https://sremg.org.uk/RlyMag/CompletionOfBrightonLineC-LSignalling.pdf

From this I have created the 3d image below but I am missing details of the steps etc. View attachment 128790

I understand from advice elsewhere that some of these still exist between New Cross Gate and Norwood Junction and I would like to get some pictures of them.

Does anyone on here have any pictures of these signals or is able to get and or know how I might get some?

On another forum, a helpful person posted the picture below.
Can anyone identify the location as it looks as if it is accessible from the station platform? I think this might be Anerley.
View attachment 128791
Many thanks
Regards

Ian

That image ('Detail of pre-cast concrete post...') I created specially for my post which was incidentally about this very subject (which I assume you have read.) No complaints but it took hours to do based on old Southern plans I found.

 

[ikcdab]

Hi there, many apologies if I have infringed any copyright. It was your website that encouraged me to go ahead with my models. I can't find the website now so I presume it has been taken down.

 

[londontransit]

Its up again it was hacked a good number of times hence name change and different approach re how its run: Seventy Years Mainline Signalling in London part two

 

[Annetts key]

In my area, bracket is the more common word used by S&T to describe signals that are neither on a straight post or a ‘proper’ gantry.