Signalling problem between Surbiton and London Waterloo 28/08

[gavin]

A signal problem between Surbiton and London Waterloo means mainline which run through Surbiton are currently unable to access London Waterloo

A signalling problem between Surbiton and London Waterloo is causing disruption to trains between these stations. Services are expected to be cancelled, delayed or suspended. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

What South Western Railway are Doing About It:

The control centre has received reports from a signaller that a set of points has failed at Queenstown Road. A set of points is the part of the track that can move, allowing the train to change direction and head to the right section on the network.

As a result of this, Mainline trains that run through Surbiton are unable to access London Waterloo. These services will be heavily disrupted with many cancellations and we strongly advise that you check your journey before you travel.

Trains from Windsor, Reading, Shepperton and the Hounslow / Kingston loop lines are still able to run into London Waterloo, however, these may be subject to delays and cancellations.

Engineers have been informed and are en-route, where they will work to rectify the problem, and get the line back to normal working order.

This issue may cause services to be delayed, or revised at short notice until the end of service.

For further information, please speak to a member of staff or use a help point, and please keep checking for updates. This message will be updated with further details as soon as possible.

 

[Suraggu]

It's actually a rail defect on a set of points at Queenstown Road between the Up Main Fast and the Windsor lines.

 

[fairysdad]

I was thinking about this the other day. Could trains terminate at Clapham Junction instead of Waterloo? (Or even, thinking about the tail end of last week, in addition to Waterloo?)

 

[Feathers44]

I was thinking about this the other day. Could trains terminate at Clapham Junction instead of Waterloo? (Or even, thinking about the tail end of last week, in addition to Waterloo?)

Possibly but, from memory, they may have to run back down on the up lines as far as Wimbledon before being able to get onto the down lines meaning the whole thing would be completely impractical for the amount of traffic required (unless the low utilisation today makes that possible?).

 

[hwl]

Possibly but, from memory, they may have to run back down on the up lines as far as Wimbledon before being able to get onto the down lines meaning the whole thing would be completely impractical for the amount of traffic required (unless the low utilisation today makes that possible?).

Or use the trailing cross overs just east of Clapham Jn as the services turned back in the evenings last week did...

 

[theironroad]

Possibly but, from memory, they may have to run back down on the up lines as far as Wimbledon before being able to get onto the down lines meaning the whole thing would be completely impractical for the amount of traffic required (unless the low utilisation today makes that possible?).

As you say that would be completely impractical as it is not bi-directional signalled, so would require a long wrong direction movement.

What can happen is up trains terminate in passengers service on the up main slow or fast and then can be shunted via a GPS on the up fast (down direction) back into platform 9 or 11 where passenger services can be restarted.

 

[Feathers44]

Or use the trailing cross overs just east of Clapham Jn as the services turned back in the evenings last week did...

Or that, yes. Thinking too westerly there, wasn't I.

 

[Dr_Paul]

I have seen on several occasions up trains that terminated at Clapham Junction on the Windsor lines; they were turned between Clapham Junction and Queenstown Road, but I couldn't see on which lines they were being queued. I've not known up services on the Main lines to be turned at Clapham Juncton: there is a trailing crossover a short way beyond the up end on the fast lines, but nothing on the slow lines, so reversing could only be done on the fast lines, unless the those on the slow lines were taken up to the crossover near Queenstown Road, the one mentioned above at which there is currently problems.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Will the set of points that failed have seen way more use then normal during the blockade?

 

[Juniper Driver]

I was thinking about this the other day. Could trains terminate at Clapham Junction instead of Waterloo? (Or even, thinking about the tail end of last week, in addition to Waterloo?)

Easier said than done but this puts the traincrews out of sync.

Will the set of points that failed have seen way more use then normal during the blockade?

Definitely.Also my train was diverted via Chertsey this morning.

Saw them working on the points when I passed.had heard there was trouble when in the messroom.Informed I was diverted.Heard others went via East Putney.

 

[pompeyfan]

It's a good job no outer depot crews were booked past Woking, meaning Staines and East Putney were a pretty easy divert, had Fratton or Bournemouth crews been involved it would have got very sticky very quickly.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

I had no such problems. Pass to London, down to Woking and Guildford, job done.

Got out of the way just in time for the chaos to start.

 

[swt_passenger]

Will the set of points that failed have seen way more use then normal during the blockade?

We've had a whole thread about the blockade where this very point has already been confirmed a couple of times. There a numerous crossovers between Clapham Junction and Waterloo getting hammered compared to their normal use. Normally the Windsor side and mainline side can almost be considered separate routes.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

We've had a whole thread about the blockade where this very point has already been confirmed a couple of times. There a numerous crossovers between Clapham Junction and Waterloo getting hammered compared to their normal use. Normally the Windsor side and mainline side can almost be considered separate routes.

We all know that some points will have seen way more use than normal:roll:

Not everyone will know if a given set of points will be one of the ones that are getting the much greater use

 

[Bald Rick]

Will the set of points that failed have seen way more use then normal during the blockade?

They didn't fail, the points were still working. It was a rail defect in the points, which meant there was the risk of a broken rail if they were used in a certain direction, therefore moves in that direction were stopped.

Unfortunately during this blockade, that direction is particularly critical.

Now, whilst those points have seen a lot more traffic over them in that particular direction in the last three weeks, that is not what would cause a failure. Some points see that much traffic for several years before needing the rails replaced. It would appear to be simply unfortunate timing.

 

[Juniper Driver]

We all know that some points will have seen way more use than normal:roll:

Not everyone will know if a given set of points will be one of the ones that are getting the much greater use

Yeah I get your point here.

 

[gavin]

Platforms 1 to 14 are slowly starting to reopen following overrunning engineering works