Siemens or Bombardier

[JhR]

Which is better in your opinions.. Bombardier or Siemens?

 

[Lrd]

Bombardier have definitely upped their game recently but you can't beat a solid as a rock Desiro

 

[Hornet]

Is this pertaining to illegal state aid?

 

[cactustwirly]

Siemens have better build quality, but Bombardier trains have a nicer ambience and have more comfortable seats

 

[AM9]

Siemens have better build quality, but Bombardier trains have a nicer ambience and have more comfortable seats

You have to compare like with like trains in respect of e.g. service type (metro/suburban/outer suburban/regional), age, seating style, etc.. As Siemens have only supplied class 185 DMUs we are really only considering EMUs for comparison.

 

[cactustwirly]

You have to compare like with like trains in respect of e.g. service type (metro/suburban/outer suburban/regional), age, seating style, etc.. As Siemens have only supplied class 185 DMUs we are really only considering EMUs for comparison.

I was comparing the 377 with the 450

 

[Bletchleyite]

Siemens have better build quality, but Bombardier trains have a nicer ambience and have more comfortable seats

I'd probably go with that. There are also some seriously stupid design flaws in the Bombardier units such as the tiny luggage racks fitted to most of them (First Class on ScotRail has a larger variant that could and should have been fitted to all of them).

 

[AM9]

I was comparing the 377 with the 450

OK that wasn't obvious, but my post was also a statement about comparisons in general.
As far as the two that you are comparing, I find the 450s, (or in my experience the 350s including /1,/2 & /4 sub-classes) better riding than Electrostars, (377/7 on the same tracks). The 377/2s and 377/5s have mediochre performance on poor track being particularly susceptible to transverse shock. Although the seating in 377/5s and /7/s is firm and not to the liking of a few posters here, I think it is fine, even for journeys over 1 hour.
Other issues with Electrostar ambience are the squeak and rattle of their plastic trim panels and the virtually useless overhead stowage. Conversely, the noise from the older Desiros' air conditioning is excessive when at low speed or standstill.

 

[DarloRich]

Siemens make better electrical equipment than Bombardier who make better aeroplanes than Siemens who make better windmills than Bombardier who make better tanks..............

On what are we basing such a wide decision?

 

[AM9]

Siemens make better electrical equipment than Bombardier who make better aeroplanes than Siemens who make better windmills than Bombardier who make better tanks..............

On what are we basing such a wide decision?

Precisely. It seems that it's more a 'which manufacturer makes each poster's favourite train', rather than which manufacturer makes better trains across all types, - hardly likely to give a meaningful poll result.

 

[RichmondCommu]

I'm more interested in my destination than the train I'm traveling on.