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Newshy37

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Having just read the 76 rescue thread where shunter drags were mentioned it made me think of shunter moves.

I'm in Preston and in days gone by the Liverpool/Manchester to Glasgow/Edinburgh were shunted together and a sleeper coach shunted onto a London train (I have a feeling it was a Barrow Euston) I once had 37007 fail leaving Doncaster and the 08 dragged us back in.

In Hungary you quite often get shunted from place to place by something too.

More tales please.................
 
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Yes - the sleepers were shunted onto the rear of 1A00 (2125 Barrow - Euston Sleeper) and were detached from 1P54 (2345 Euston - Barrow Sleeper).

After the Sleeper service form Barrow was discontinued, there was only a Southbound service - the sleepers were attached to 1M14 (2200 Stranraer - Euston Sleeper) with the coaches returning to Preston empty each evening on 1P79 (1800 Euston - Blackpool). By this time, the 08 was no longer used, and it was the train engine that attached the sleepers to the front of the train.

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I'm in Preston and in days gone by the Liverpool/Manchester to Glasgow/Edinburgh were shunted together and a sleeper coach shunted onto a London train (I have a feeling it was a Barrow Euston)

More tales please.................
I travelled on a few of the Liverpool/Manchester - Glasgow/Edinburgh "portion" trains in the mid-1970s and seem to remember the train engine, rather than a shunter doing the pull out and push back moves at Preston. Also accompanied by a diesel/electric change (or vice versa) in a station layout not designed for convenient engine changes.

This shunting also happened many times each day as well, since the L/M - G/E services were reasonably regular until BR realised the route was not as popular with passengers as they had projected in the Weaver Jn - Glasgow electrification business case.
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Not really a shunter move as such, but I remember seeing a lone Class 08 gronking along at 15 mph on the 2-track section of the WCML north of Wigan mid-morning in the mid-1970s. Not exceptional maybe, but a sign of how infrequent trains were back then - can't imagine fitting in a path during daytime these days.
 
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I travelled on a few of the Liverpool/Manchester - Glasgow/Edinburgh "portion" trains in the mid-1970s and seem to remember the train engine, rather than a shunter doing the pull out and push back moves at Preston. Also accompanied by a diesel/electric change (or vice versa) in a station layout not designed for convenient engine changes.

Yes - it was very rare (I only saw it on a handful of occasion during the years I frequented the station - 1980-1985) that the 08 did the portion shunt. They tended to bring in the Manchester portion first, then run the Liverpool portion into the same platform behind the Manchester one. Then the loco of the Liverpool would be released by drawing the Manchester Portion out to Fylde Junction, then back onto the Liverpool coaches. If there was enough time, they would have already swapped the loco from diesel to electric, so the spark would take the Manchester portion out and back, otherwise they would change over after joining up the two portions.

Preston was quite busy at that time in the morning, and this method of working only took up one platform.

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Mike
 

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If I recall correctly, the Carlisle sleepers of the Night Caledonian where attached to the rear of the Up service by a Class 08. By the late 1980s they were the only service scheduled to use Platform 8 at Carlisle, and it wasn't unusual to find them left there all day (although sometimes tripped to Upperby by a Class 08 too). I can't recall the exact method with the Down Night Caledonian, but I think the electric detached the front Sleepers at Carlisle, but may have left them outside the North of the station for a Class 08 to shunt into Platform 8 after the Glasgow service had departed.
 

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If I recall correctly, the Carlisle sleepers of the Night Caledonian where attached to the rear of the Up service by a Class 08. By the late 1980s they were the only service scheduled to use Platform 8 at Carlisle, and it wasn't unusual to find them left there all day (although sometimes tripped to Upperby by a Class 08 too). I can't recall the exact method with the Down Night Caledonian, but I think the electric detached the front Sleepers at Carlisle, but may have left them outside the North of the station for a Class 08 to shunt into Platform 8 after the Glasgow service had departed.

Strange that you should mention the Carlisle sleepers, as I've been trying to remember how they were operated since reading this thread. I used to catch the sleeper to/from Euston quite regularly from the mid-1980s, originally from Manchester Piccadilly until it lost its Sleeper service and I had to board at Preston instead - until it too lost its own Sleeper to Euston. After that, a bizarre easement was introduced whereby passengers from the North West had to travel to Carlisle on one of two specific late-evening services in order to board the Sleeper.

You are correct in saying that the Sleeper carriages were kept in platform 8 at Carlisle, the northern-facing bay platform, and were ready to board from about 10pm. They were later shunted out to Carlisle North Junction and brought back into platform 4 and attached to the rear of the main train once it had arrived from Scotland. This was indeed done by an 08 which was generally already attached to the Sleeper coaches by the time I arrived, and from memory the shunting was done non-too-gently either! ;)

I think you are correct about the Down service - what you said has brought back to mind a few long-forgotten details. I seem to recall the Carlisle portion was always right at the front at Euston (furthest from the Concourse) and it was a heck of a schlep! I also remember waking up early one morning to find the train was stationary. Peeping out from behind the blind to see where we were (a thing always to be done with caution from one's Sleeper Cabin, just in case the train was stood in a busy station!) I discovered that the coaches were parked-up somewhere to the north of Carlisle near the river crossings, which seems to suggest you are correct in how the northbound portion was operated.

The fact that I couldn't remember how the northbound portion was handled also seems to suggest that the shunting was done altogether more gently! :lol:
 

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Newton Abbot, until at least the 1960s. Portions from Kingswear / Paignton were shunted onto the rear of trains starting at Penzance or Plymouth.

Sheffield - the Leeds portion was shunted onto the Newcastle - Poole service (except at dates when they ran as separate trains.) And I was told that a member of station staff tried to prevent "bashers" joining the Leeds portion when it arrived at Sheffield just to get the shunter move.

Doncaster - for a while when the lift was out of action (in the 1980s, I think), they provided an 08 plus van to take the less mobile passengers between platforms.
 
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