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robert2000

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The new Sunday timetable show its all replacement busses between Shrewsbury and Brummy. Are they upgrading the line to 90mph in some areas, including track renewal work?

does anyone know how much reduction in traveling time it will save between Chester/Aber-Shrews to Brummy?

I think London Midland should introduce a service on this line on a sunday, leaving shrewsbury every 2 hours from lets say 930 for example and vice versa.
 
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Probably just standard posession opportunities. The 90mph work isnt signed off yet and dont expect amazing time savings off it either.
 

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The new Sunday timetable show its all replacement busses between Shrewsbury and Brummy. Are they upgrading the line to 90mph in some areas, including track renewal work?

does anyone know how much reduction in traveling time it will save between Chester/Aber-Shrews to Brummy?

I think London Midland should introduce a service on this line on a sunday, leaving shrewsbury every 2 hours from lets say 930 for example and vice versa.

London Midland dont want to know on Sundays, whats wrong with the current Welsh set up?
 

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the welsh set up merans ATW stops at every single stop between shrews-wolves, so journey times are longer.
 

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They have to do this because LM don't want to provide the local service that they do in the week.
 

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Don't think it was a matter of don't want to - Central Trains used to provide a Sunday service and I think it was decided it was more economical for the Sunday service to be provided by the long distance trains calling at all stations.

As it stands the Sunday service is actually a pile of junk. Quite often a 2 car unit turns up (this would be up to 8 coaches per hour during the week) and all hell breaks loose, especially when the squaddies at Cosford come back. It's not unusual to not be able to board the train at either Birmingham, Wolverhampton or Telford. 4 carriage trains are generally comfortably busy.

Then Network Rail shut the line for months on end for reasons that never do seem to become clear, as it's been going on, on and off, for years, and they never even put up any publicity to explain why. I presume it's something to do with their own operational convenience to save money by taking out Oxley box, which will then be repeated when they want to take out Madeley Junction to save on another couple of signallers, and then when they finally sort out the 90 mph stuff. Although I'm informed that towards the end of November, shock horror, they actually plan to use the turnback at Codsall to maintain some sort of a service!

The replacement bus service is even worse. It usually involves 1 singular coach to replace a train that is usually just about standing room only from Wolverhampton (and that's at 2140 or so). Regularly left people behind last time it was out. The not inconsiderable amount of people who got left behind and told to wait an hour for the next one by the brain dead walking hi vis jacket that was apparently in charge kicked off on the station last time I used it and the Virgin Trains chargeman forced ATW to pay for a job lot of taxis immediately to stop there from being a fairly large public order issue.

Another issue is that the coach invariably got lost between the local stations and I don't find it acceptable to spend my journey sat at the front directing the driver.
 

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sarpa website was where i got the info to suggest it was because of the works to improve the line to 90mph 2010/11.
 

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Central Trains did do the run Chester to Brum on Sundays with brand new trains
I recall using the Bombadiers, then Central was replaced by Wales & Borders? who also took over the Cambrian. Again LM have no interest in the line Shrewsbury to the East on Sunday.

In the end Central were running 158s Grimsby to Chester which often terminated at Salop due to lateness & failure plus the enormous amount of stops on the 6 to 7 hour run.
 

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LM have no interest in the line Shrewsbury to the East on Sunday.

LM's Sunday problems are very well documented and are by no means restricted to this line. There's no service at all to Liverpool on a Sunday morning, for example. I'm not sure it's necessarily the company's fault either - I'm sure they'd want to run a proper seven-day railway if they could.
 

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Central Trains did do the run Chester to Brum on Sundays with brand new trains
I recall using the Bombadiers, then Central was replaced by Wales & Borders? who also took over the Cambrian. Again LM have no interest in the line Shrewsbury to the East on Sunday.

In the end Central were running 158s Grimsby to Chester which often terminated at Salop due to lateness & failure plus the enormous amount of stops on the 6 to 7 hour run.

As I said I suspect you'll find this was franchise related as I believe you will find the point Central Trains stopped running the Sunday service was the point where Central Trains lost the main fast services on the route (IE the then Chester and Aberystwyths!).

I don't think it's anything to do with LM per sé, it's just not in their franchise to run the Sunday service whereas it is in Arriva's.
 

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Why would there be more recovery time ?? the project is hardly earth shattering raising 75 to 90.
 

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Why would there be more recovery time ?? the project is hardly earth shattering raising 75 to 90.

Because on the whole that is how TOCs act these days. Just use the faster running to cushion the timetable & thus trains have even more chance of arriving within PPM making them look good & the timetable a throw back to steam days.
 

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WSMR have had a bad year for sunday travel since may timetable change, are they going to be running any sort of service between now at december between tame bridge and london.
 

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Because on the whole that is how TOCs act these days. Just use the faster running to cushion the timetable & thus trains have even more chance of arriving within PPM making them look good & the timetable a throw back to steam days.

Far from it, every TOC is vociferous now in wanting as much as they can get from these schemes.
 

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Far from it, every TOC is vociferous now in wanting as much as they can get from these schemes.

Could have fooled me. Recent & planned improvements around East Anglia have all been welcomed as 'padding' to the current timetable. Only Virgin on the WCML have shown any sort of colour in these grey years.
 
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