Shrewsbury carriage sidings

[victormildrew]

Hi. Seems work is being carried out in the carriage sidings, does anyone know what is being done?.

 

[craigybagel]

Hi. Seems work is being carried out in the carriage sidings, does anyone know what is being done?.

A fuelling point is being installed.

 

[victormildrew]

A fuelling point is being installed.

Thank you. Also i thought with the space in the sidings i thought they be extending the roads or putting in new ones to cater for the new trains TFW and WMR units.

 

[craigybagel]

Thank you. Also i thought with the space in the sidings i thought they be extending the roads or putting in new ones to cater for the new trains TFW and WMR units.

It was certainly talked about, I'm not sure if it's in the final plans or not to be fair.

 

[victormildrew]

It was certainly talked about, I'm not sure if it's in the final plans or not to be fair.

Thanks again.

 

[Sir Topham Hat]

No fuelling point, just additional roads and extending some of the current ones, moving the shunter's accommodation and toilet block.

 

[Lurcheroo]

No fuelling point, just additional roads and extending some of the current ones, moving the shunter's accommodation and toilet block.

A Shrewsbury drivers just told me one’s going in but it’s only an emergency fuelling point

Edit to add a 2nd Shrewsbury driver tells me that they spoke to one of the WMT guys on the project down at the yard the other day and one is going in and it’s meant to be an emergency one so not for every day use is what he was told by them.

 

[Diedinium]

A Shrewsbury drivers just told me one’s going in but it’s only an emergency fuelling point

Edit to add a 2nd Shrewsbury driver tells me that they spoke to one of the WMT guys on the project down at the yard the other day and one is going in and it’s meant to be an emergency one so not for every day use is what he was told by them.

I'm one of these drivers lol so can confirm.

There's also CET drains going in for the 197/196 and 153, plus they plan to increase the number of fitters and do more light maintenance tasks there from what I've been told.

Concrete footings for the new fitter/shunter block has already gone in, ballast is mostly down and when I drove by the other day it seems they were nearly done with the points work for the two new roads.

 

[Sir Topham Hat]

A Shrewsbury drivers just told me one’s going in but it’s only an emergency fuelling point

Edit to add a 2nd Shrewsbury driver tells me that they spoke to one of the WMT guys on the project down at the yard the other day and one is going in and it’s meant to be an emergency one so not for every day use is what he was told by them.

I'm based at Shrewsbury and have been involved with the project from the start. There's certainly not a proper fuelling point going in, not really sure how an emergency one works tbh and there wasn't one shown on the plans I last saw but things do change on the railway at the drop of a hat! It's basically additional roads for TFW who are funding the whole thing as well as updated lighting and extensions to the current roads 1-3.

 

[Rescars]

This all sounds rather sophisticated. Long gone are the days when I knew these sidings. Back then the arrangements to secure water supplies for on-train catering in winter involved coiling a hosepipe around a bonfire!

 

[Diedinium]

I'm based at Shrewsbury and have been involved with the project from the start. There's certainly not a proper fuelling point going in, not really sure how an emergency one works tbh and there wasn't one shown on the plans I last saw but things do change on the railway at the drop of a hat! It's basically additional roads for TFW who are funding the whole thing as well as updated lighting and extensions to the current roads 1-3.

To be fair I'm not sure who the guy I spoke to was other than him being some sort of project manager at WMT, so my info could be entirely wrong.

 

[craigybagel]

Certainly the belief amongst Shrewsbury drivers was that a fuel point was going in, that's where I heard it from as well.

That said, there's been a change of plans with the 153s that means they'll still be able to be maintained and fueled overnight at Crewe so there's slightly less need for a fueling point at Shrewsbury than may have otherwise been the case

 

[Lurcheroo]

Certainly the belief amongst Shrewsbury drivers was that a fuel point was going in, that's where I heard it from as well.

That said, there's been a change of plans with the 153s that means they'll still be able to be maintained and fueled overnight at Crewe so there's slightly less need for a fueling point at Shrewsbury than may have otherwise been the case

Oh that’s interesting, what’s the plan with having them at Crewe overnight ? Will Crewe drivers keep their competency ?

 

[6Gman]

Have to say that a fuelling point at Shrewsbury would have been very useful in my days doing unit diagramming at Central Trains!

 

[craigybagel]

Oh that’s interesting, what’s the plan with having them at Crewe overnight ? Will Crewe drivers keep their competency ?

Indeed. Keeping them on Crewe - Shrewsbury locals, which between that and shed moves should be enough to keep the Crewe drivers competent!

Have to say that a fuelling point at Shrewsbury would have been very useful in my days doing unit diagramming at Central Trains!

Especially in a week like this where it's rather difficult to get the units to Tysley!

 

[Lurcheroo]

Indeed. Keeping them on Crewe - Shrewsbury locals, which between that and shed moves should be enough to keep the Crewe drivers competent!

So will none be 197’s then ?

 

[craigybagel]

So will none be 197’s then ?

I've not seen the exact diagrams so I don't know how exactly it'll work yet.

 

[Lurcheroo]

I've not seen the exact diagrams so I don't know how exactly it'll work yet.

Ah righto! Will be interesting, might free up a 197 or two for other things.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Would the change at Crewe be because the remodelling for HS2 is now in the bin, so no need to relocate facilities to Salop?

 

[craigybagel]

Ah righto! Will be interesting, might free up a 197 or two for other things.

Assuming it does happen (plans to have a habit of changing!) it would likely free up a double 197. Most of the day the local is a single unit shuttling back and forth.

Would the change at Crewe be because the remodelling for HS2 is now in the bin, so no need to relocate facilities to Salop?

I doubt. I think it's more that it's a much logistically simpler option.

 

[dk1]

I'm based at Shrewsbury and have been involved with the project from the start. There's certainly not a proper fuelling point going in, not really sure how an emergency one works tbh and there wasn't one shown on the plans I last saw but things do change on the railway at the drop of a hat! It's basically additional roads for TFW who are funding the whole thing as well as updated lighting and extensions to the current roads 1-3.

Emergency fuelling took place in Ipswich platform 1 & beside platform 6 at Colchester until the old shed was completely upgraded for fuel/sand & light maintenance at Colchester. The 755s had the emergency fuelling via tank/lorry for around 3 years.

 

[victormildrew]

Years ago it was suggested a fuel depot at Coton hill just like alot of infrastructure change going to happen, but then cancelled. I am a little surprised at a fuel tank being put in Abbey Foregate sidings so close to the river.

 

[Class 170101]

Emergency fuelling took place in Ipswich platform 1 & beside platform 6 at Colchester until the old shed was completely upgraded for fuel/sand & light maintenance at Colchester. The 755s had the emergency fuelling via tank/lorry for around 3 years.

I bet the environmental regulations were a pain though?

 

[dk1]

I bet the environmental regulations were a pain though?

No doubt mate. Surprised they got away with it.

 

[Llanigraham]

Years ago it was suggested a fuel depot at Coton hill just like alot of infrastructure change going to happen, but then cancelled. I am a little surprised at a fuel tank being put in Abbey Foregate sidings so close to the river.

Are they putting in an oil storage tank?
My impression from comments earlier this will be an emergency fueling point, so most likely to be just a hard standing for a road tanker with a closed circuit drainage system into a fuel seperator sump. That is very common at fueling points near watercourses.

 

[Elecman]

My impression from comments earlier this will be an emergency fueling point, so most likely to be just a hard standing for a road tanker with a closed circuit drainage system into a fuel seperator sump. That is very common at fueling points near watercourses.

Exactly how one is built Concrete handstand with contained drainage in the cesses and 4 foot to an interceptor and collection sump

 

[bodgit0_0]

Hi. Seems work is being carried out in the carriage sidings, does anyone know what is being done?.

Due to working closely with the contractor appointed to deliver the sidings upgrades, I can confirm the following is currently planned to take place on Shrewsbury Sidings, some of which is still subject to the final design acceptance which I hope we will get very soon.

1. Temporary fueling facility, a 22500 liter static tank capable of fueling the two adjacent roads (Shropshire 5 and Old Wash Road). This is the system that was installed at Ipswich mentioned above and should be coming to the sidings in May (ish) The facility is only for units desperately in need of fueling and can't continue their day without risk of running too low or out. The site already has a compliant interceptor system which the fuel catch pits will be routed through.
2. Resurrect Shropshire's 4 & 5 roads both having a 160 meter usable length.
3. Install a new CET system to include 4 x CET points, 3 between Shropshire's 4 & 5 and 1 for the Old Wash Road.
4. New staff accommodation due to the increase in people resource on the site once the projects completed.
5. Toilet block relocated to help achieve maximum use of available space.
6. Walking route installation/extensions and associated lighting to improve safety for all users of the sidings.

 

[victormildrew]

Thanks for your update. May i just say about the sidings, there is only three roads in the Shropshire sidings 1/2 and 3 . And used to be 5 roads called the GOODS. and what you call the wash road was called the Ballast.

 

[bodgit0_0]

Thanks for your update. May i just say about the sidings, there is only three roads in the Shropshire sidings 1/2 and 3 . And used to be 5 roads called the GOODS. and what you call the wash road was called the Ballast.

I will try to put some other updates on as they happen, one of the aspects I'll be helping with is the updating of the Sectional Appendix with the resurrected roads and their future intended use. Interesting to hear the Old Wash Road was called the Ballast, I presume that was a locally adopted name as The SA states it was a wash road.

 

[victormildrew]

The Ballast road was used to birth and carry out any repairs overnight by the C & W on the 07.40 Shrewsbury to London and 5 road in the goods was used to birth the TPO's 22.50 Shrewsbury to York, the Ballast and 5 Goods so both trains could then be connected to the shore supply and charging points.