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Should We Leave the EU?

Do you believe the UK should stay in or leave the EU?

  • Stay in the EU

    Votes: 229 61.4%
  • Leave the EU

    Votes: 120 32.2%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 24 6.4%

  • Total voters
    373
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Howardh

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Hmmm, it's only *interviews* and anyone wishing to come here illegally isn't gonna stop @ Dublin and chat so someone with a clipboard. And no-one can stop him as he's legal there.

Anyway, all that's irrelevant if you aren't counting people crossing from ROI into UK. You could walk back and forth across the border 100 times a day...is anyone counting?

The only answer is for the ROI to count everyone in and out, let's say 1000 go in and 800 go out, and ASSUME 200 have gone to the UK? As in guesswork?
 
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Tetchytyke

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We don't know how many illegals will cross the Irish border into the UK, as there is no border control, so therefore no figures.

There is: I've been stopped by the Gardai on the Belfast-Dublin coach to prove that I had permission to be in Eire. The NIPS also do the same operations.
 

Howardh

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There is: I've been stopped by the Gardai on the Belfast-Dublin coach to prove that I had permission to be in Eire. The NIPS also do the same operations.

That must be a rare situation, and something I could only assume was when there was an "alert" on? If it's terrorist-related, any police in the UK have the power to stop and ask (at least I think so)
 

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Has anybody else not received their Polling card for the EU election? Mine and my wifes have not turned up. I have just rang Birmingham City Council and they said that appears to be a common thing that Polling cards have gone missing in the Birmingham area at least. I can of course still vote if I take photo ID to my allotted Polling Station, but the polling cards never usually go missing so I wonder what is going on?
 

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Has anybody else not received their Polling card for the EU election? Mine and my wifes have not turned up. I have just rang Birmingham City Council and they said that appears to be a common thing that Polling cards have gone missing in the Birmingham area at least. I can of course still vote if I take photo ID to my allotted Polling Station, but the polling cards never usually go missing so I wonder what is going on?

If that's the case then the Birmingham press should make it known what to do if there's no card, first-time voters might not have a clue.

I have a postal vote, but have no idea whether it's arrived (been sent now) and be counted. At least in the polling booth it goes in a sealed box.

Wonder if there's a way of checking?
 

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I have a postal vote, but have no idea whether it's arrived (been sent now) and be counted. At least in the polling booth it goes in a sealed box.

Wonder if there's a way of checking?

Postal votes remain sealed up until after the polling stations close. They should arrive back the day after you post them (unless you miss the last collection or post them on a Saturday.)
 

LateThanNever

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Has anybody else not received their Polling card for the EU election? Mine and my wifes have not turned up. I have just rang Birmingham City Council and they said that appears to be a common thing that Polling cards have gone missing in the Birmingham area at least. I can of course still vote if I take photo ID to my allotted Polling Station, but the polling cards never usually go missing so I wonder what is going on?
By law you do not need ID if you know your polling station and your'e on the electoral role. Just tell them your name and address.
 

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Postal votes remain sealed up until after the polling stations close. They should arrive back the day after you post them (unless you miss the last collection or post them on a Saturday.)

Not true - I have a friend counting them tomorrow.
 

RJ21

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I had a postal vote for the local elections (on account of being in the Outer Hebrides on polling day), it went missing in the post on its way from the council to me so I ended up going down to Stockport town hall to sign out a replacement. I was told I could take it away and post it back or fill it in there and then and put the ballot into the returns box. I took the second option as I was not for trusting the post office, if they can lose it in one direction then they can easily do it again and unfortunately there is no way for me to know if a postal vote has arrived. In theory the council could check as you have to sign the declaration and return it and that should be retained by the council for a period of time.
 

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Just a quick thought.
£350m a week to the EU (not the actual figure, but the one being bandied about).
65m people in the country.

350/65 = £5.38 each a week.

I bet most of us spend more than that on coffee...
 

Gutfright

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Just a quick thought.
£350m a week to the EU (not the actual figure, but the one being bandied about).
65m people in the country.

350/65 = £5.38 each a week.

I bet most of us spend more than that on coffee...

I know you were being lighthearted, but the the UK spends only £941m per year on coffee, or about 28p for every man, woman and child.

So if we vote Brexit, we'll be able to afford nineteen times as much coffee. Or something.
 

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I know you were being lighthearted, but the the UK spends only £941m per year on coffee, or about 28p for every man, woman and child.

So if we vote Brexit, we'll be able to afford nineteen times as much coffee. Or something.
£941m from coffee chains. Add £102m from home-based 'pod machines' such as Tassimo, and all the instant, filter and beans consumed at home, and you'll end up with a much higher figure ;)
 

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£941m from coffee chains. Add £102m from home-based 'pod machines' such as Tassimo, and all the instant, filter and beans consumed at home, and you'll end up with a much higher figure ;)

Plus add all the free/complimentary coffees that we pay for indirectly.
 

Howardh

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Just a quick thought.
£350m a week to the EU (not the actual figure, but the one being bandied about).
65m people in the country.

350/65 = £5.38 each a week.

I bet most of us spend more than that on coffee...

If we double the population due to immigrants, that reduces it to £2.69 each :p
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Plus add all the free/complimentary coffees that we pay for indirectly.
We get at least two first class from Manny to Euston*. Does that count as one though, or because we have paid for it in our ticket?
*Then there's the complimentary lounges.
 

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Well it's all over bar the shouting with the post Jo Cox murder swing to Remain so batten down the hatches as you ain't seen nothing yet.
As the EU is well known for bearing a grudge then we'll soon know about it.
 

Gutfright

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Well it's all over bar the shouting with the post Jo Cox murder swing to Remain so batten down the hatches as you ain't seen nothing yet.
As the EU is well known for bearing a grudge then we'll soon know about it.

It does look as though remain will win, so if you were thinking of voting remain you can probably afford to stay at home on Thursday.

It is still absolutely vital that if you want Britain to leave the EU you do go out and vote. At the very least it will send a strong message to the European Union that they cannot keep taking us for granted.

In fact, even if you want Britain to remain but think that the EU needs major reforms, the tactical thing to do would be to vote "Leave"

Vote early and vote often (and vote Leave). It's vital for all our futures.
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/2016/jun/18/eu-vote-brexit-working-people-rents-wages

There must be just the one sensible person at the Guardian then as the finance editor is voting out.

I know a painter/decorator who has not been able to raise his wages for 15 years. There’s always someone else, he says, willing to work for less. A driver who arrived from Turkey 18 years ago, who says the bus companies used to pay more than £12 an hour, but can now pay £10 or less because they have so many takers (and yes, the irony is noted). A care-home cleaner in a rundown seaside town who reckons her hopes of ever getting more than the minimum wage are zero. Each blames an influx of workers from the EU. Each of them are voting out. Tell them the EU protects workers’ rights and they just laugh.
 

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As the EU is well known for bearing a grudge then we'll soon know about it.

I get really tired of asking for people to justify the statements they make in favour of leaving the EU, and them failing to reply. But I'm going to do it again. Please provide some evidence of the EU bearing a grudge. Please explain who you mean by the EU - the 28 member states? And why would "the EU" bear a grudge if the UK votes to remain? Surely it would be a much bigger grudge of the vote is to leave, and they will be in a much better position to take revenge as the UK leaves!
 

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I've received a joke of a leaflet urging me to vote one particular way- does anyone know (a legal way of) how I can express my dissatisfaction?
 

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It does look as though remain will win, so if you were thinking of voting remain you can probably afford to stay at home on Thursday.

It is still absolutely vital that if you want Britain to leave the EU you do go out and vote. At the very least it will send a strong message to the European Union that they cannot keep taking us for granted.

In fact, even if you want Britain to remain but think that the EU needs major reforms, the tactical thing to do would be to vote "Leave"

Vote early and vote often (and vote Leave). It's vital for all our futures.

Bit of a stupid argument, if all remainers thought that there was no point in voting then leave would clearly win. You brexit lot always bang on about democracy but you only want it when it suits you. As for the rest of the post, it's just wrong but I can't be bothered to dissect it.
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I get really tired of asking for people to justify the statements they make in favour of leaving the EU, and them failing to reply. But I'm going to do it again. Please provide some evidence of the EU bearing a grudge. Please explain who you mean by the EU - the 28 member states? And why would "the EU" bear a grudge if the UK votes to remain? Surely it would be a much bigger grudge of the vote is to leave, and they will be in a much better position to take revenge as the UK leaves!

Don't expect a decent answer, you won't get one.
 

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Bit of a stupid argument, if all remainers thought that there was no point in voting then leave would clearly win. You brexit lot always bang on about democracy but you only want it when it suits you. As for the rest of the post, it's just wrong but I can't be bothered to dissect it.

I think it's vital for everyone to vote whichever way you swing, unless you don't care one way or the other. Whatever happens over the next few days, it won't influence my vote, as it went in the post box earlier today. :)
 

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I think it's vital for everyone to vote whichever way you swing, unless you don't care one way or the other. Whatever happens over the next few days, it won't influence my vote, as it went in the post box earlier today. :)

Ahead of the game! Remind me, did you vote yay or nay for staying?
 

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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/its-time-leftwing-supporters-brexit-wake
Fear is, they say, wisdom in the face of danger. And in the final push countdown to the EU referendum, the British left should have good cause to be afraid. Poll after poll is now putting Leave in front, with a lead of up to ten points. Ukip’s political programme – until recently a pipe dream – is on the brink of becoming a reality, leaving the right wing of the Tory Party with the keys to Downing Street, unencumbered by pesky “red tape” (read: workers’ rights and environmental legislation) and with an explicit mandate to radically curtail immigration.

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But for the left, the dangers of Brexit go deeper than the moral and human cost for workers and migrants. It is the right, not the left, that benefits from periods of economic chaos and social breakdown. Material defeats, and attacks on rights at work and on human rights, undermine the ability and the willingness of ordinary people to fight back against austerity. Add to that the spectre of rising nationalism and a popular mandate for smalltime racism, and the wrong outcome in this referendum could trigger the biggest rightward shift in British politics since the election of Margaret Thatcher in 1979.

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The plan is to make immigrants, and by extension the EU, the scapegoat for falling living standards, and if left unchecked this plan will win. The only argument that can counter this momentum – and one which has the benefit of being true – is that housing shortages, falling real terms wages and a decline in public services are the fault of corporate greed and failed government policy. Only the left can wage the kind of ideological counterattack that we need in the final days of the campaign.
 

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Bit of a stupid argument, if all remainers thought that there was no point in voting then leave would clearly win. You brexit lot always bang on about democracy but you only want it when it suits you. As for the rest of the post, it's just wrong but I can't be bothered to dissect it.

The polls indicate that remain have got it in the bag, so if you do favour remain and you don't get around to voting on Thursday it's not going to be the end of the world.

However, what we don't want is a massive vote of confidence in the EU. They're already complacent enough, we don't want to send them the message that it's ok for them to be carrying on as they have been. There are many people who want to stay in the EU but think it needs major reforms. The best thing for these people to do will be to vote Leave, to make the vote as close as possible, and to send a strong message to the EU that it needs to get it's act together.
 

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Add to that the spectre of rising nationalism and a popular mandate for smalltime racism

I'm a Corbyn-supporting member of the Labour party, and I really, really, really wish that certain parts of the left would stop using accusations of racism as a replacement for a proper evidence-based argument.
 
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