Should we have another referendum?

[backontrack]

I'm against referendums on principle, we pay MPs good money to make those decisions. Referendums are like having a dog and barking yourself.

But what if your MP is a blithering idiot, yet you are forced to vote for them because you want their party to win?

 

[bb21]

But what if your MP is a blithering idiot, yet you are forced to vote for them because you want their party to win?

You spoil the ballot paper.

 

[Busaholic]

No, there should not be a second referendum. The House of Commons as our national parliament should be asked to vote what to do (if anything) about the result of the referendum, the results of which were never legally binding on our government to implement, even if you accept that the simplistic wording of the question allowed no interpretation of what an alternative to the current arrangements might be. This should satisfy the Brexiteers so concerned about national sovereignty all the time and could mean, if a bit of backbone was shown by the Labour Party especially, that the disastrous (I don't exaggerate) and self-inflicted chaos to come could just be avoided.

If you think these are just the ravings of a Remain supporter, I would counter that in the Sunday Telegraph last week a journalist by the name of Tim Ross, obviously thinking Remain were going to 'win' the argument, expressed the opinion that nothing other than a 60/40 vote in favour of Remain would put the matter to bed. Given the constitutional and administrative changes required to implement a withdrawal by the UK from the EEC, it is ludicrous to suggest that it happen on a straight 50% plus one vote from those who could be bothered to turn out.

 

[DaleCooper]

But what if your MP is a blithering idiot, yet you are forced to vote for them because you want their party to win?

I believe most people vote for the party rather than the individual.

 

[backontrack]

You spoil the ballot paper.

But they'll rub it out if it's in pencil...

 

[Howardh]

But what if your MP is a blithering idiot,

You've met him then?
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Facebook can give you a very distorted view of the world.

So can politicians who want your vote.

 

[Nevillehill]

Yes, especially for the EU vote. People need to be educated about what the EU actually is. It's a pity that certain people are allowed to vote, but the alternatives to democracy are not good at all.

people earning a salary over £15,000 a year should only be allowed to vote, and those with educational qualifications.
Also only over 25 year olds allowed to vote.

 

[DerekC]

There isn't going to be another referendum, much as I regret the decision that has been made. What we have to do now is to hang on to the gains that membership of the EU helped us to make against the push from the right wing to eliminate them during the chaos which is coming. Climate change and environment are top of the list but there are lots of others. And for goodness sake let's hang on to the European Court of Human Rights - we may well need it. Don't cry for someone to wind the clock back. Look forward and fight!

 

[Harbornite]

There isn't going to be another referendum, much as I regret the decision that has been made. What we have to do now is to hang on to the gains that membership of the EU helped us to make against the push from the right wing to eliminate them during the chaos which is coming. Climate change and environment are top of the list but there are lots of others. And for goodness sake let's hang on to the European Court of Human Rights - we may well need it. Don't cry for someone to wind the clock back. Look forward and fight!

I was under the impression that the ECHR was separate to the EU.

 

[DerekC]

I was under the impression that the ECHR was separate to the EU.

That's exactly the point - the referendum doesn't give any authority to scrap our membership of the ECHR, so let's fight for it to continue.

 

[GadgetMan]

Why waste time lowering the voting age. Clearly the aim is to get new referendum with a remain vote.

Why not screen all voters at the polling station door and only allow remain voters to enter and cast their vote? So much easier to engineer your wanted result!

 

[WestCoast]

No, we should definitely not have another referendum on EU membership. The majority has spoken and that is final. For those that voted out of protest and regret their decision, tough, actions have consequences.

As for a second Scottish referendum, I cannot see any reason to deny them the opportunity. I find it blatantly hypocritical that so many of the Brexiters on my Facebook feed want to deny Scotland the opportunity to vote on this matter. It's clear that membership of the European Union was a key factor in the last referendum, and that leaving the EU is against the wishes of the majority of the Scottish electorate. I'm astounded that anyone could make a case against a second referendum.

 

[Spamcan81]

I don't think we should have another vote. If it was the other way around then Remain supporters would tell us Leave voters to get on with it and I would personally accept the decision, I think we should move on and get on with it. Did you vote for the people making decisions no did I no that is one reason I voted leave sorry to upset people but it's fact the people who voted leave have had enough and this is democracy and overruling it would not make it democratic. I didn't cry out for another election after Cameron got elected. It's life let's get on with it and let's make the best of this chance we now have.

Back in May, Farage was interviewed and said that a 52%-48% wind for remain would not be decisive enough and a second referendum should be called. What's good for the goose is good for the gander but of course he wonlt see it that way and so he won't be backing a call for a second referendum now he's won.

 

[455driver]

Why waste time lowering the voting age. Clearly the aim is to get new referendum with a remain vote.

Why not screen all voters at the polling station door and only allow remain voters to enter and cast their vote? So much easier to engineer your wanted result!

Its far easier just to do a 'Blue Peter', ie here is one I made earlier, which will consist of several ballot boxes pre-filled with remain votes!

Okay 1.3 million is a lot to do but at least they will get what they wanted, democracy, pah 'they' know what is best for us!

 

[Gutfright]

These forums have become a bit of an echo chamber for remain voters to tell one another how stupid people are for wanting to leave the EU, so it's heartening to see that most people are grown up enough to accept the result of the referendum without demanding another.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up having a General Election being called once the Conservatives have chosen a new leader

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Indeed this democracy thing is a nuisance that gets in the way of how the decent chaps want to organise the uneducated masses.

Many a true word in spoken in jest....:roll:

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

Friday I would definitely have said no to this but seeing how many people voted leave as a 'protest' vote but actually wanted us to remain and are now scared by their own stupidity then I feel we do need another. This decision is just too big and it's not like there will be another in 5 yrs time.

The leavers ran their campaign very much like an election with all sorts of claims about how things could be without actually being in any position to make any changes. Yet the remainers completely failed to challenge or correct them. So they are equally culpable in my view.

That's fair enough so why didn't all the snowflakes who are the ones voting for the childish second referendum get that petition up months ago. BEFORE WE HAD IT (quite important that is)

In actual fact they did! It was set up on May 25th.

I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up having a General Election being called once the Conservatives have chosen a new leader

The history of mid-term changes to Prime Minister includes plenty of precedence for not doing so. We elect MPs but they get to decide who leads them even if that selection can be taken for granted on polling day.

 

[Antman]

Apparently David Cameron has ruled out any chance of a 'rematch' and i will at least give him some credit for that.

 

[ExRes]

people earning a salary over £15,000 a year should only be allowed to vote, and those with educational qualifications.
Also only over 25 year olds allowed to vote.

I'm assuming you forgot to add the or the

My cousin left school with no educational qualifications and worked his entire career as a self employed car mechanic, he now volunteers for charity and only claims expenses, he shouldn't be allowed a vote?

 

[backontrack]

Interesting range of opinions shown so far.

For those who voted against a second Scottish referendum, I'd be interested to know why you think Scotland should be taken out of the EU against its will.

 

[deltic]

If the UK does not invoke article 50 but negotiates an exit deal with the EU then the ideal position would be to put that proposed settlement to a referendum as then people would know what the two alternatives are. The problem with the referendum just gone is no one knew what would happen if we left.

Just rerunning the last referendum again would be wrong and I voted remain. I agree that Scotland should vote again on independence

 

[ExRes]

In actual fact they did! It was set up on May 25th.

Indeed and it seems, according to the House of Commons, that only 22 people found it in themselves to sign it between that date and June 23rd

 

[Senex]

The problem with the referendum just gone is no one knew what would happen if we left.

That was clearly not seen as a problem by the 52% who voted to leave.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

To use an example often quoted in threads about strike ballots and general election results, assuming the figure of 46 million registered voters is correct then on Thursday only 38% of the electorate voted to leave the EU.

 

[ExRes]

To use an example often quoted in threads about strike ballots and general election results, assuming the figure of 46 million registered voters is correct then on Thursday only 38% of the electorate voted to leave the EU.

Ah yes, but as 28% couldn't be bothered to use their right to vote they don't count, so the 38% figure isn't relevant

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Ah yes, but as 28% couldn't be bothered to use their right to vote they don't count, so the 38% figure isn't relevant

That isn't what people who complain about the general election results or the strike ballots say!

If they wish to accept the referendum result on that basis, then they should accept the results of the general election and any strike ballots on the same basis.

That's fair isn't it?

 

[Howardh]

That was clearly not seen as a problem by the 52% who voted to leave.

Well, the 52% can start giving us some answers then.

One choice in the news today seems the be - full access to the EU but the borders remain open and pretty much carry on as before, or, limited access with all that entails but you can control the borders.

 

[EM2]

You may be interested to know that not only was the 'Second Referendum Petition' set up in May, it was set up by a right-wing Leaver.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/26/the-p...was-started-by-a-right-wing-activist-5967021/

The petition for a second EU referendum that has attracted nearly three million signatures was started by a right-wing activist a month before the vote.
In an amusing plot twist, Vote Leave campaigner William Oliver Healey, an activist for the English Democrats, started the petition that has since become the last hope for millions of pro-EU voters.

On his Facebook page, posts by Mr Healey show that he set up the petition on May 23, with polls at the time suggesting a likely triumph for the Remain campaign.
An outspoken Leave campaigner who describes himself as a ‘nationalist’ in other posts, Mr Healey has celebrated Britain’s decision to quit the EU.

 

[ExRes]

That isn't what people who complain about the general election results or the strike ballots say!

It's what I say though