Should there be more stations on HS2?

[Topological]

At least they are doing Manchester Airport (well it was in the plan) and Birmingham International, so there are some park and ride type stations on HS2.

 

[MatthewHutton]

At least they are doing Manchester Airport (well it was in the plan) and Birmingham International, so there are some park and ride type stations on HS2.

£££ for parking though given it’s an airport.

And Manchester airport is off the M6.

 

[Topological]

£££ for parking though given it’s an airport.

And Manchester airport is off the M6.

You were surely not expecting free parking?

Bristol Parkway (which is well used despite not being that close to the M4) is well used and charges quite a lot. I do not know the parking price at Stockport but it justified building a multi-storey car park.

I park at Pontypool and New Inn for free, thankfully not that many others do

 

[Bletchleyite]

At least they are doing Manchester Airport (well it was in the plan) and Birmingham International, so there are some park and ride type stations on HS2.

That's all the more why a suburban London one is a strange omission! I wonder if they thought Old Oak would fulfil that role? But it isn't even nearly far enough out for that, much as it will be well used by those from the areas around it.

 

[MatthewHutton]

You were surely not expecting free parking?

Bristol Parkway (which is well used despite not being that close to the M4) is well used and charges quite a lot. I do not know the parking price at Stockport but it justified building a multi-storey car park.

Maybe I am too used to Heathrow prices. But depending on your trip it can make sense to get a taxi both ways rather than paying for parking.

 

[Bletchleyite]

£££ for parking though given it’s an airport.

Parking at Birmingham International and Luton Airport Parkway isn't any more ridiculously priced than any other large railway station. Indeed the worst I've seen is Sheffield which isn't even a railway station and weighs in at twenty quid a day!

The multi storey at International is £12.50 a day, which is pretty standard for Avanti stations. Luton Airport Parkway appears to be £10.60 a day. Both are pretty good bets for airport parking given the lower cost than airport car parks and easy connection (though obviously chargeable at Luton) but most people just don't think to do that!

 

[MatthewHutton]

That's all the more why a suburban London one is a strange omission! I wonder if they thought Old Oak would fulfil that role? But it isn't even nearly far enough out for that, much as it will be well used by those from the areas around it.

They were simply incompetent by on everything.

 

[Topological]

That's all the more why a suburban London one is a strange omission! I wonder if they thought Old Oak would fulfil that role? But it isn't even nearly far enough out for that, much as it will be well used by those from the areas around it.

OOC does perform a useful role as an interchange.

It would be interesting to know the thought process.

Manchester Airport is not actually at the Airport, so it is definitely built to be accessible from the M56 as well as having vague proximity to the Airport.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Bristol Parkway (which is well used despite not being that close to the M4) is well used and charges quite a lot. I do not know the parking price at Stockport but it justified building a multi-storey car park.

Stockport appears to be a whacking £17.50, it's NCP operated, not operated by Avanti who seem to charge £12.50 more or less everywhere. Cheaper than Sheffield though!

 

[Topological]

Maybe I am too used to Heathrow prices. But depending on your trip it can make sense to get a taxi both ways rather than paying for parking.

Park in a local supermarket for Heathrow

(Actually don't, that is what I do and I do not want the spaces booked up).

I think that £10/£15 per day is reasonable enough for one of these parkway stations. Though obviously if it was lower than that then it might be more inclusive.

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Stockport appears to be a whacking £17.50, it's NCP operated, not operated by Avanti who seem to charge £12.50 more or less everywhere. Cheaper than Sheffield though!

And, importantly, still very busy.

It always interested me how many of the stations sprang up multi-storey car parks after VHF. Preston got one too.

 

[MatthewHutton]

The multi storey at International is £12.50 a day, which is pretty standard for Avanti stations. Luton Airport Parkway appears to be £10.60 a day. Both are pretty good bets for airport parking given the lower cost than airport car parks and easy connection (though obviously chargeable at Luton) but most people just don't think to do that!

Not awful.

Maybe you give people in bucks £100 of parking vouchers for interchange? And a free return trip?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Park in a local supermarket for Heathrow

I was going to say "but you'll get a ticket", but the ticket is probably cheaper than Heathrow parking

 

[NCT]

Not awful.

Maybe you give people in bucks £100 of parking vouchers for interchange? And a free return trip?

Apologies if I’ve missed any tongue-in-cheek, but this is NOT how a democracy is run.

 

[Topological]

I was going to say "but you'll get a ticket", but the ticket is probably cheaper than Heathrow parking

I haven't got one yet

(There are websites that you book with, do not just turn up)

 

[Bletchleyite]

Apologies if I’ve missed any tongue-in-cheek, but this is NOT how a democracy is run.

I'm not sure what the relevance of a commercial offering of discounted use of a new station to promote its further full price use is to a political system?

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And, importantly, still very busy.

It always interested me how many of the stations sprang up multi-storey car parks after VHF. Preston got one too.

Indeed. An HS2 Parkway could easily charge 20 quid a day and get plenty of custom.

 

[MatthewHutton]

Apologies if I’ve missed any tongue-in-cheek, but this is NOT how a democracy is run.

It’s basic commercial practice/compensation for the inconvenience of the construction.

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Indeed. An HS2 Parkway could easily charge 20 quid a day and get plenty of custom

Question is the politics. But yes.

Parking at Le Cresout on LGV Sud Est isn’t cheap to be fair. And that still gets respectable ridership given the service level and population density.

 

[Topological]

I'm not sure what the relevance of a commercial offering of discounted use of a new station to promote its further full price use is to a political system?

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Indeed. An HS2 Parkway could easily charge 20 quid a day and get plenty of custom.

Which is what is even more odd, parking charges might even pay for the station one day. Never mind the benefits for the local areas.

There are plenty of local discounts out there, as well as incentives to try new services.

 

[MatthewHutton]

Which is what is even more odd, parking charges might even pay for the station one day. Never mind the benefits for the local areas.

There are plenty of local discounts out there, as well as incentives to try new services.

I would assume any additional stations could be paid for with private money. Perhaps you would need a cut of the tickets as well as parking. Not sure.

 

[Topological]

I would assume any additional stations could be paid for with private money. Perhaps you would need a cut of the tickets as well as parking. Not sure.

Developer contribution... That will annoy the NIMBYs

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I know this is a Speculative Forum, but feel that I must ask that if there is no such line extentions northward entity now on HS2, does it really matter how many stations are to be there on it...

 

[Topological]

I know this is a Speculative Forum, but feel that I must ask that if there is no such entity now as HS2, does it really matter how many stations are to be there on it...

What are you calling the line they are building?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

What are you calling the line they are building?

Certainly not the HS2 (a), (b), (c), onward versions of HS2.

A high-speed railway line loses meaning if extra stations are added to it.

 

[Topological]

Certainly not the HS2 (a), (b), (c), onward versions of HS2.

They are building the one upon which all stations mentioned in this thread (that were not included on plans that have been through parliament), and to the best of my knowledge, that is still using the name HS2.

The only thing that is missing is "Say 'ow do to HS2" as a slogan (hope I have not given the marketing away)

 

[MatthewHutton]

I know this is a Speculative Forum, but feel that I must ask that if there is no such line extentions northward entity now on HS2, does it really matter how many stations are to be there on it...

IF you are prepared to do the intermediate stops and have a 300/320km/h top speed then Handacre-Crewe or Handacre-Whitmore plus Birmingham airport to east midlands airport are both very very doable. Probably they could be funded with private money quite frankly.

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Developer contribution... That will annoy the NIMBYs

It will annoy the BANANAs. The softer people will be Ok with it.

HS2 has ~95% opposition in Buckinghamshire. Do a few common sense things and that would reduce to like 5-10%.

When I have spoken to the voters ~0 of them are typically against housing development unless it is particularly unreasonable for some sensible reason. Presumably those who are against more sensible stuff are far right and wouldn’t speak to someone centre/left.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

When I have spoken to the voters ~0 of them are typically against housing development unless it is particularly unreasonable for some sensible reason. Presumably those who are against more sensible stuff are far right and wouldn’t speak to someone centre/left.

The problem oft cited is that the houses in housing developments are seen as being not affordable by a great number of people these days.

 

[MatthewHutton]

The problem oft cited is that the houses in housing developments are seen as being not affordable by a great number of people these days.

That can be argued against though.

You aren’t getting the sort of opposition HS2 has attracted.

 

[Topological]

IF you are prepared to do the intermediate stops and have a 300/320km/h top speed then Handacre-Crewe or Handacre-Whitmore plus Birmingham airport to east midlands airport are both very very doable. Probably they could be funded with private money quite frankly.

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It will annoy the BANANAs. The softer people will be Ok with it.

HS2 has ~95% opposition in Buckinghamshire. Do a few common sense things and that would reduce to like 5-10%.

When I have spoken to the voters ~0 of them are typically against housing development unless it is particularly unreasonable for some sensible reason. Presumably those who are against more sensible stuff are far right and wouldn’t speak to someone centre/left.

You need to get onto the New Towns Taskforce, as pretty much everywhere I have been has been fully against new housing developments.

A HS2 station somewhere near the A43 with a medium-density housing development would have been a very logical outcome. But, they went for two areas (Manchester Victoria North and Leeds South) which are actually in cities and being built anyway so that they could claim the New Towns policy was working.

 

[MatthewHutton]

A HS2 station somewhere near the A43 with a medium-density housing development

the challenge is that Calvert which gives you the rail links is pretty far from the main roads. And also as everyone reasonably argues you don’t want to do a dozen stops.

You need to get onto the New Towns Taskforce, as pretty much everywhere I have been has been fully against new housing developments

Maybe the south east is more pro housing given how expensive it is?

 

[Topological]

the challenge is that Calvert which gives you the rail links is pretty far from the main roads. And also as everyone reasonably argues you don’t want to do a dozen stops.

Maybe the south east is more pro housing given how expensive it is?

Why are you building a parkway at Calvert?

There is no road and that really rather defeats the point. There is absolutely no sense in an interchange with East West if that was your thinking.

IF the South East is more pro-housing then perhaps it is time to build there. Again, your input to the New Towns Taskforce would be very welcomed.

 

[Sorcerer]

Considering the purpose of HS2 is capacity relief to enable better local train services, having intermediate stations between the major focal points is kind of redundant. On the other hand Parkway stations can be beneficial as well such as Old Oak Common. Considering high-speed rail is predominantly meant to serve cities it's focus should predominantly be there.