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Should Southern have been re-branded when it was absorbed into GTR?

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samogers

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Before 2015, the Southern brand, whilst not universally loved, appeared to be a well-run operator, who were light years better than Connex, their predecessors.

During the initial franchise, Southern had delivered hundreds of new trains to replace slam-door stock (whilst Connex ordered the first batch, to the eyes of the passenger they would have been ordered by Southern), introduced new late night services to and from London/Brighton and better services on many branch lines with the Marshlink and the Oxted lines seemingly victims of their own success, among many enhancements. I can remember that many people were pleased when Southern retained the franchise in 2009, as they seemed to have done the best job they could on a crumbling infrastructure with growing passenger numbers.

Whilst in 2015 they suffered a large dent in their reputation after the London Bridge debacle(s) as well as appearing to be on the slide in terms of performance and reliability, I wonder whether, with the benefit of hindsight that the Southern brand shouldn't have been retained when it was absorbed into GTR later that year.

The TSGN franchise was always going to be a unique challenge, and with industrial trouble brewing as well as years of delays due to the Thameslink Programme, the chance that services would suffer as a result was high. Wary of this disruption therefore, should they have rebranded Southern to a new name in order to preserve what reputation it had left?

Since absorption into TSGN, I feel that the Southern brand is one of the most poisonous on the railway network due to both industrial action, and, it appears, general incompetence from the managers. This has caused one of Govia's better assets to be permanently tainted.

Therefore should they have dropped the Southern brand to preserve some of its reputation?
 
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Dropped it? No, not really. But I remain surprised it didn't get a variant of the "three ribands" logo to show it being part of the family. I can see, however, why they didn't want it to look like part of the family :D
 

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From a purely aesthetic point of view, the two tone green of Southern is preferable to the Thameslink one as far as I'm concerned. It also harks back to when Southern was a relatively stable operator with well kept trains and stations. Thameslink, for various reasons has always had its issues.
 

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I more meant adding to this:

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(Thameslink/Great Northern riband logo)

with something like this:

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(Southern version of said logo)

I thought the "riband" family of logos was quite clever, much nicer than the child-like Thameslink logo there now is.
 

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It should have had the company name made prominent. GTR Southern etc. It would have avoided some confusion and also ensured that people know which company is operating the trains and reduced the damage to the route branding (which has existed for decades and will exist for many more franchise holders to come).

It makes a lot more sense to retain longstanding route names while also keeping the name of the company clear, e.g. Abellio Greater Anglia etc. "GTR Thameslink", "GTR Great Northern", "GTR Southern" would have made sense.
 

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I’m sure I read recently that the long term aim is to separate Southern from Thameslink in the future, the reason they were combined was to manage the London Bridge rebuild
 
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