Should rail staff give first aid to passengers?

[me123]

Surely not stopped between stations, would it not be better to get the train held at the next station by activating the alarm upon the train stopping?

That's true. On a train, you're best to wait until you're at a station before activating the alarm, because then a paramedic can get to you. Out of curiosity, if you were on a limited stop service, would the guard/TTI be able to contact the driver without stopping the train to tell him/her to make an additional stop at the next station?

 

[dk1]

That's true. On a train, you're best to wait until you're at a station before activating the alarm, because then a paramedic can get to you. Out of curiosity, if you were on a limited stop service, would the guard/TTI be able to contact the driver without stopping the train to tell him/her to make an additional stop at the next station?

On a 170 for example the pass-com has an in-cab over-ride foot press (mushroom) allowing the driver to carry on to the next suitable stopping point without a pointless & inconvenient stop to re-set & continue.

 

[scotsman]

On a 170 for example the pass-com has an in-cab over-ride foot press (mushroom) allowing the driver to carry on to the next suitable stopping point without a pointless & inconvenient stop to re-set & continue.

Voyagers, Meridians (presumably) and Mk4s all have this in some form.

 

[O L Leigh]

Surely not stopped between stations, would it not be better to get the train held at the next station by activating the alarm upon the train stopping?

Well obviously. But then they could just as easily send someone else off to find the conductor or some other member of staff (if there is one).

There is a little sticker on our Cl315's telling passengers to contact the driver if they require use of the first aid kit "...using the passenger alarm if necessary". I wasn't even aware they carried one and wouldn't know where to start looking for it.

O L Leigh

 

[CarterUSM]

Well obviously. But then they could just as easily send someone else off to find the conductor or some other member of staff (if there is one).

There is a little sticker on our Cl315's telling passengers to contact the driver if they require use of the first aid kit "...using the passenger alarm if necessary". I wasn't even aware they carried one and wouldn't know where to start looking for it.

O L Leigh

I would have thought it was in the emergency equipment cupboard with the rope and ladders? If the 315 has such a cupboard?

 

[Traveller]

I'm not First Aid trained and am not likely to want to be as I rather let the paramedics get on with the job that they have been highly trained for - I don't know a passengers's medical history nor can easily check but a paramedic easily could.

How will a paramedic know a person's medical history?
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I also agree that FCC was a little silly by saying staff should give first aid only to other members of staff. Clearly the person who said that was a believer of all the same myths.

What they said is correct. Employers have a duty to provide first aid to their employees. There is no responsibilty to provide it to the public, although in reality a first aider is unlikely to refuse.

 

[jon0844]

Yes, they do have a duty (can't remember the number of first aiders per xx staff) but they were wrong to say what they did. They should have said that it was up to the member of staff that had the training.

Any first aider can still refuse to give first aid and not get into trouble (unlike in France).

 

[O L Leigh]

I would have thought it was in the emergency equipment cupboard with the rope and ladders? If the 315 has such a cupboard?

You have discovered the root of my confusion.

I think I accidentally stumbled across a first aid kit when prepping a Cl315 once, but I don't recall where I'd found it. All I remember was being very surprised to find such a thing in the place I was looking at the time, so clearly they aren't somewhere obvious.

O L Leigh

 

[Traveller]

But what exactly did all these bystanders do, apart from criticise?

 

[CarterUSM]

You have discovered the root of my confusion.

I think I accidentally stumbled across a first aid kit when prepping a Cl315 once, but I don't recall where I'd found it. All I remember was being very surprised to find such a thing in the place I was looking at the time, so clearly they aren't somewhere obvious.

O L Leigh

Well, i do hope i don't find myself in need of a sticking plaster, if i ever have the pleasure of travelling on one of said units with yourself at the helm .

 

[Traveller]

Yes, they do have a duty (can't remember the number of first aiders per xx staff) but they were wrong to say what they did. They should have said that it was up to the member of staff that had the training.

That just puts the blame on the staff. They should have just said they're under no obligation to provide first aid.

 

[jon0844]

That's the same thing though. Nobody can be forced to give first aid.

In any case, the staff will be blamed by the public and media regardless.

 

[Traveller]

I meant the company shoiuld state that the company has no obligation, rather than putting the blame on the staff.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I think VT plaatform staff and booking office workers can, hence the defribulators on stations. All booking offices also have first aid boxes I think

Did you just copy that from my second post?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Did you just copy that from my second post?

He did - he's even got your spelling mistakes in it!

 

[MidnightFlyer]

He did - he's even got your spelling mistakes in it!

That was a nice first (& Only) post from him

 

[The_Stig]

Voyagers, Meridians (presumably) and Mk4s all have this in some form.

Most newish rolling stock will have this.

334's have it, it allows the driver to talk to whomever pulled the Pass Comm to determine the best course of action.