Should all buses using motorways have seat belts and no standees

[laststop@96]

The government go on about air quality what about people sitting with no seat belt and people standing in a bus doing 50MPH+ on motorways and dual carriageways.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The government go on about air quality what about people sitting with no seat belt and people standing in a bus doing 50MPH+ on motorways and dual carriageways.

Do the accident statistics bear out such a requirement being sensible? It's easy to board the outrage bus about things that "look wrong", but is there an actual safety issue?

 

[laststop@96]

Do the accident statistics bear out such a requirement being sensible? It's easy to board the outrage bus about things that "look wrong", but is there an actual safety issue?

If you drive your car and your kids are in the back with no seat belts and you crash at 40mph+ is there a safety issue?.

 

[Bletchleyite]

If you drive your car and your kids are in the back with no seat belts and you crash at 40mph+ is there a safety issue?.

That was not the question I asked, and is more an emotive one.

Safety policy decisions should never, ever be made for emotive reasons, they should be made and considered exclusively using fact.

So, again, do the accident statistics bear out that bus services on motorways without seat belts are causing a safety issue?

 

[laststop@96]

That was not the question I asked, and is more an emotive one.

Safety policy decisions should never, ever be made for emotive reasons, they should be made and considered exclusively using fact.

So, again, do the accident statistics bear out that bus services on motorways without seat belts are causing a safety issue?

Yes if they crash what is safer bus with seat belts or bus without?.

 

[Andyh82]

The government go on about air quality what about people sitting with no seat belt and people standing in a bus doing 50MPH+ on motorways and dual carriageways.

What’s that got to do with air quality?

 

[laststop@96]

What’s that got to do with air quality?

People say the operators can,t afford to put seat belts on buses they can,t afford to convert a bus from euro4 to euro6 but they are because there getting a grant from government so why not a grant for seat belts for peoples saftey.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Yes if they crash what is safer bus with seat belts or bus without?.

On that basis all bus services should have seat belts. The trouble is that if buses could not carry standees there wouldn't be more buses, some just wouldn't be able to travel and would drive.

So again, is there statistical evidence that there is a specific issue on motorways? I suspect there is not; I'd expect if there is going to be one anywhere it's more likely to be on a 60mph single carriageway where an accident is much more likely.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Personally, I think coaches should be used instead of buses on longish motorway journeys during rail replacement but in reality, this isn't always possible/practical. I'm not sure whether it is a legal requirement for passengers to use seat belts when on a coach although I know it is a requirement to have them fitted

In my own personal and humble opinion, I don't agree with standees on a bus on a motorway journey

 

[Wirewiper]

I know of very few buses that do 50mph+ on a motorway with standing passengers.

(To be clear, I am only talking about pure buses - not express and private hire coaches which do have seatbelts and do not carry standing passengers, officially anyway).

 

[Bletchleyite]

I know of very few buses that do 50mph+ on a motorway with standing passengers.

There are of course very few buses that run on motorways anyway. There are however plenty that do that on dual carriageways with 70mph sped limits (which have a much higher statistical accident rate), such as pretty much every route in Milton Keynes.

 

[laststop@96]

On that basis all bus services should have seat belts. The trouble is that if buses could not carry standees there wouldn't be more buses, some just wouldn't be able to travel and would drive.

So again, is there statistical evidence that there is a specific issue on motorways? I suspect there is not; I'd expect if there is going to be one anywhere it's more likely to be on a 60mph single carriageway where an accident is much more likely.

I put mortorways and dual carriageway but really what i was meaning was buses being used on high speed routes anywhere above 30mph.

 

[laststop@96]

I know of very few buses that do 50mph+ on a motorway with standing passengers.

(To be clear, I am only talking about pure buses - not express and private hire coaches which do have seatbelts and do not carry standing passengers, officially anyway).

Well if that is true it,s worse because they can,t keep up with flow of traffic?.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I put mortorways and dual carriageway but really what i was meaning was buses being used on high speed routes anywhere above 30mph.

Is there a statistical issue with high numbers of accidents on such routes? One that would exceed the disbenefits of those passengers instead going by car?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Well if that is true it,s worse because they can,t keep up with flow of traffic?.

And what of large lorries/HGVs who "can't keep up with the flow of traffic?"

This is why we have 2 or multi-lane motorways so that slower moving buses and lorries can use the inside (slow) lane whilst faster-moving traffic (e.g. cars/motorcycles) can overtake using the other lanes

 

[overthewater]

No there do not, I have yet to be on a bus while standing on a Motorway doing more that 40mph.

 

[yorkie]

The government go on about air quality

What does this mean? can you provide some sources? and what do you think the position should be?

what about people sitting with no seat belt and people standing in a bus doing 50MPH+ on motorways and dual carriageways.

Do you have any examples of this?

 

[carlberry]

I'm not sure whether it is a legal requirement for passengers to use seat belts when on a coach although I know it is a requirement to have them fitted

There is no general legal need to have seat belts, it only applies from a certain date and for certain vehicle types. If the seat belts are fitted there is a legal need to use them, and to remind passengers to do this.

 

[Robertj21a]

What does this mean? can you provide some sources? and what do you think the position should be?

Do you have any examples of this?

Plenty of full buses on the dual carriageways around London.

 

[laststop@96]

My question is for safety of passengers should urban buses as there called have seat belts. Why does the driver have a seat belt on urban buses?

 

[Tetchytyke]

Plenty of full buses on the dual carriageways around London.

Yeah but even on something like the 232 on the North Circular, 50mph is a pipe dream!

 

[Tetchytyke]

My question is for safety of passengers should urban buses as there called have seat belts. Why does the driver have a seat belt on urban buses?

The driver usually doesn't.

You're going to have to show your working out. Are bus crashes common? Are injured standees common?

 

[laststop@96]

What does this mean? can you provide some sources? and what do you think the position should be?

Do you have any examples of this?

Example of what where i live in glasgow motorway weekday morning or evening you will see urban buses fully loaded with standing passengers.

 

[laststop@96]

The driver usually doesn't.

You're going to have to show your working out. Are bus crashes common? Are injured standees common?

all buses have driver seat belts at least for last 15 years

 

[Darandio]

all buses have driver seat belts at least for last 15 years

Even if this is true (which i'm fairly sure it isn't), they are not commonly found strapping the driver in.

 

[Tetchytyke]

all buses have driver seat belts at least for last 15 years

No they don't.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7605/16634775644_e08bd2ef8a_b.jpg

No seatbelt there!

 

[laststop@96]

Even if this is true, they are not commonly found strapping the driver in.

Well if this true why are they not being charged by police if i drive on motorway no seat belt i get done or are bus drivers exempt.

 

[laststop@96]

No they don't.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7605/16634775644_e08bd2ef8a_b.jpg

No seatbelt there!

That,s why it has do not move cover on steering wheel because the seat belt is missing ? how old is the bus does not show in image.

 

[scotraildriver]

There are loads of services around Glasgow operating on the M8/M77 with standing passengers. All McGills services to Inverclyde, Stagecoach routes to Easterhouse, Cumbernauld etc and a multitude of First routes too. No seatbelts either,even on the latest 68 plate vehicles. The first buses with driver seatbelts were around 2011 and it's "recommended " that drivers wear them. There are still hundreds of buses around Glasgow with no seat belt for the driver. It's perfectly legal, as it is for a taxi drivers not to wear a seat belt.

 

[laststop@96]

There are loads of services around Glasgow operating on the M8/M77 with standing passengers. All McGills services to Inverclyde, Stagecoach routes to Easterhouse, Cumbernauld etc and a multitude of First routes too. No seatbelts either,even on the latest 68 plate vehicles. The first buses with driver seatbelts were around 2011 and it's "recommended " that drivers wear them. There are still hundreds of buses around Glasgow with no seat belt for the driver. It's perfectly legal, as it is for a taxi drivers not to wear a seat belt.

But i know all this but is it safe or should there be a change in the law stagecoach e400mmc on x25 glasgow to cumbernauld have seat belts why?