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How long did the Sinfin branch service last (Melbourne Junction to Sinfin Central) as an extension of the Derby - Matlock service)? Four years, around 1986-7, perhaps?

The Sinfin service started in 1976 and almost all Matlocks were extended there. This was reduced to peak hours only in the 1977 timetable change. The service finished around 1993 as a taxi I think. I took the evening service out & back in 1989 or 1990.
 
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I know were are talking about regular service trains here, but, going off at a tangent, Ramsline Halt must qualify for some sort of award - only ever used by four football trains, but still there, complete with some signage. Even the Baseball Ground, which it served, is long gone.

Four! Are you sure about that? I understood it was only one. After the first train, it was realised that passenger trains cannot operate over hand points unless they are clipped and scotched. And no one was prepared to do it!

Derby to Manchester Airport didn't last long either!
 

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Can't think of any that have lasted less than one timetable period (Dec-May or May-Dec). Closest I can think of is London Midland's shuttle between Worcester and Gloucester, lasted less than two years I believe.
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Not sure on this one, but how long did half-hourly trains last on Redhill-Tonbridge?

Decades. Was only cut down when Southern took over.
 

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Four! Are you sure about that? I understood it was only one. After the first train, it was realised that passenger trains cannot operate over hand points unless they are clipped and scotched. And no one was prepared to do it!

Derby to Manchester Airport didn't last long either!

What destinations are there from Manchester Airport that don't involve going through Manchester? Not including trains from Manchester which call at the airport and then continue away from the connurbation - just specific trains which start from the airport and go south, west or even north-west (if that's possible??)
 

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How about the First North Western service from Rochdale/Blackpool to London and the Manchester Airport to Euston service. I think theese lasted 2 years if I remember rightly

About that - a good idea but doomed by moderation of competition rules and very extended journey times. Plus FNW's dire economics and shortage of units and staff. Told to watch the day job.
 

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What destinations are there from Manchester Airport that don't involve going through Manchester? Not including trains from Manchester which call at the airport and then continue away from the connurbation - just specific trains which start from the airport and go south, west or even north-west (if that's possible??)

None.. there is only one service in TFGM that doesn't go through Manchester Piccadilly or Victoria and thats the Stockport-Stalybridge and that's a parliamentary service .
 

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What destinations are there from Manchester Airport that don't involve going through Manchester? Not including trains from Manchester which call at the airport and then continue away from the connurbation - just specific trains which start from the airport and go south, west or even north-west (if that's possible??)

Going north from the airport you are bound to end up in Piccadilly, be it the through platforms or the terminal ones.

Going south, you are bound to end up in Crewe and from there the possibilities are numerous.
 

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There was of course the open access Wrexham & Shropshire train company which operated a Marylebone-Wrexham service using class 67's and DVT which only lasted a couple of years before the company went bust in 2010-11.

The company didn't go bust. It was bought by Deutsche Bahn in 2008. They decided to stop running services in 2010 after they were judged to not be financially viable and the DfT would not let DB merge the company with Chiltern Railways.
 

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Llangurig branch only ever had one (freight) train.

Allegedly at that the Manchester and Milford ran out of cash just past Llangurig village from the Junction with the Mid Wales Railway at Pentroben south of Llanidloes the line was originally double from there into Llanidloes and this explains the generous facilities Llanidloes was provided with. Amazingly for a line abandoned in the 1860's there's a lot of tracked intact and route visible. The A470 runs alongside it for a couple of miles.
 

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Derby to Manchester Airport didn't last long either!

Hardly surprising. Formed of a 153 via Crewe & wasn't exactly quick. Think of the poor souls who travelled on some of them through from Skeggy.
 

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Greenford - Hayes & Harlington shuttles ran for a few weeks after the Ladbroke Grove incident, do they count? Bizarre working, especially as literally nobody used it and other trains were running into Ealing Broadway anyway.

I always thought the Bristol - Oxford service stopped because the 165 was too slow for pathing and it was usually quicker and more convenient to get another 165 to Didcot and board an HST there?
 

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There's been a few services started since privatisation and subsequently withdrawn in this neck of the woods:

Barnsley to London
Huddersfield to Lincoln
Matlock to Birmingham (hourly, once upon a time)
Matlock to London
Burton to London
Doncaster to Bristol (as part of the pre-Arriva XC service from Newcastle - now all Newcastle to Bristol services run via Leeds)

...my memory isn't what it used to be, so I couldn't say whether these lasted two years/ five years/ ten years thought!

Plus, if you are talking about "shortest lived direct journey" then there's things like Dronfield to Birmingham/Newcastle, from when Cross Country briefly stopped there - the Cross Country trains still follow the same route nowadays but the Dronfield stops didn't last long - now served by Northern instead)
 

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How long did the Gatwick Airport, Guildford, Cross Country services run. I use to board those from time to time but they always ran off peak. I use to wonder if they would have got more passengers if they ran during the peak.

How many years was Basingstoke to Brighton? Possibly quite a few. I caught it once for the novelty. Also caught the Basingstoke to Ipswich. How did that service get around London? I can't remember.

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How long did the Gatwick Airport, Guildford, Cross Country services run. I use to board those from time to time but they always ran off peak. I use to wonder if they would have got more passengers if they ran during the peak.

How many years was Basingstoke to Brighton? Possibly quite a few. I caught it once for the novelty. Also caught the Basingstoke to Ipswich. How did that service get around London? I can't remember.

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Cross-Country style services ran via Guildford between 1990 & 2008, from what I can make out from the reasonably comprehensive and very interesting site at http://www.1s76.com/ (nothing to do with me, mind ;) ). There's a fair bit of comment on the practicalities of the timings. It seems that in 2008, the 0545 Gatwick Airport - Birmingham New Street ran via Redhill & Guildford, which I'd probably class as a peak-hours train!

Basingstoke-Ipswich trains used the NLL and called at Camden Road, as far as I can remember.
 

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Cross-Country style services ran via Guildford between 1990 & 2008, from what I can make out from the reasonably comprehensive and very interesting site at http://www.1s76.com/ (nothing to do with me, mind ;) ). There's a fair bit of comment on the practicalities of the timings. It seems that in 2008, the 0545 Gatwick Airport - Birmingham New Street ran via Redhill & Guildford, which I'd probably class as a peak-hours train!

Basingstoke-Ipswich trains used the NLL and called at Camden Road, as far as I can remember.

"London Crosslink" Ipswich-Basingstoke ran from May 2000 until September 2002. According to a timetable in my collection, there were 6 trains per day, every train stopped at Woking, Staines, Feltham, West Hampstead, Highbury & Islington and Stratford. Camden Road was only served at weekends, Brentford and Romford only once per day. Farnborough, Willesden Jct, Ingatestone and Witham were served irregularly a few times a day.
 

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What destinations are there from Manchester Airport that don't involve going through Manchester? Not including trains from Manchester which call at the airport and then continue away from the connurbation - just specific trains which start from the airport and go south, west or even north-west (if that's possible??)

All services from Manchester Airport go to Manchester Piccadilly, save for the hourly service to Crewe
 

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I remember there being a Glasgow - Leeds via Appleby service around 2000.

It may have been operated by Northern Spirit at the time.

I think it disappeared when the upgrades to the West Coast route began, as the Class 156 had a top speed of 75MPH as opposed to the Pendolino/Voyager having 125 - 140 MPH capability.

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Virgin services from Birmingham to Swindon; one timetable period after launch of Operation Princess.

Also the ghost train from Croy to Ashfield brought in as part of the botched attempt to withdraw the West Highland sleeper (though the courts declared that this was not a service).
 
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I remember there being a Glasgow - Leeds via Appleby service around 2000.

It may have been operated by Northern Spirit at the time.

I think it disappeared when the upgrades to the West Coast route began, as the Class 156 had a top speed of 75MPH as opposed to the Pendolino/Voyager having 125 - 140 MPH capability.

In peace

Adam

I remember those, never used 'em though. A couple of corrections- IIRC it was started after Arriva 'rescued' Northern Spirit after the MTL collapse, and the usual traction was one of the 10 WYPTE-sponsored 158s rather than the 156s that ran the main S&C services.
 

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Two morning Hereford-London trains started at Abergavenny for a short while - I think the two timetable periods in 2008 - but have now reverted to Hereford.
 

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How long did the Gatwick Airport, Guildford, Cross Country services run. I use to board those from time to time but they always ran off peak. I use to wonder if they would have got more passengers if they ran during the peak.

Services like those were tied in to the location and availability of overnight stabling capacity. Because of the far flung nature of XC's network, at that time there were a number of overnight stabling points that are no longer used, such as Three Bridges. So the odd Brighton and Gatwick extensions early morning and late at night are running from or to a depot, and don't really affect the peak and inter peak standard pattern timetables much, where the trains would normally terminate and return north at Reading.

Nowadays, as the timetable runs down in the evening a significant number of units (eight I believe) end up at the end of the 'southeast' leg of the XC network, and run empty to their common stabling point at Eastleigh TRSMD. Some run empty back from Bournemouth or Southampton, others run empty down from Reading. Similar length ECS moves take place in the early morning as the timetable 'wakes up' - which is why the northbound Guildford service runs when it does, as it arrives via Havant empty from Eastleigh.

In broad terms, it is much easier to extend trains beyond the normal timetable very early and very late, because the units are either starting from a depot, or have no immediate return journey to make.

Another current example of an odd XC origin is the early train from Nottingham to Bournemouth, IIRC this originally started from Derby, having arrived from the main depot at Central Rivers. Re-routing it to run from Nottingham instead was a simple way of adding capacity from Nottingham to Birmingham - but south of Birmingham it is running in exactly the same timings as if it had come from Manchester Piccadilly as normal. Clearly to provide a Nottingham to Bournemouth service at any other time of day would prove nigh on impossible, because where would you get the unit from in the first place, without disrupting the clock face pattern?

Hope that makes sense.
 
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Cross-Country style services ran via Guildford between 1990 & 2008, from what I can make out from the reasonably comprehensive and very interesting site at http://www.1s76.com/ (nothing to do with me, mind ;) ). There's a fair bit of comment on the practicalities of the timings. It seems that in 2008, the 0545 Gatwick Airport - Birmingham New Street ran via Redhill & Guildford, which I'd probably class as a peak-hours train!

Basingstoke-Ipswich trains used the NLL and called at Camden Road, as far as I can remember.

Cross country services to Guildford certainly ran in the early / mid 80s; I can remember my Dad taking me out for a walk, to a nearby footpath crossing on the Guildford - Reading line mid evening one summer, conveniently just as a 47 + coaches came through at a rate of knots. I think it was a Leeds - Portsmouth, but could be wrong.

BSK-IPS trains called West hampstead for the tube also.
 
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