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There has been a shooting in a school in America today. 26 people have been killed and 20 of them were very young people. My thoughts are out to the family of those affected, very sad news . There are some twisted people who need to get a grip in today's world.

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A gunman has killed 26 people, including 20 young children, at a US school where his mother worked in one of the worst school shootings in the country's history. Frightened students who were rushed from the building by police were told to close their eyes.

"Our hearts are broken today," President Barack Obama said, wiping his eyes during brief comments to reporters in one of the most emotional public moments of his presidency. The children killed were just 5 to 10 years old, he said. "They had their entire lives ahead of them birthdays, graduations, wedding, kids of their own."

The national debate over the issue of gun control in America exploded once again. Obama said the US had been "through this too many times" with recent mass shootings and that the country has to come together to take meaningful action, "regardless of the politics". He did not give details.

The attack took place at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, about 96 kilometers northeast of New York City, on Friday morning (Saturday early morning NZ). It was exceeded only by the Virginia Tech university massacre in 2007 that left 32 dead.


This time, the victims were far younger. Photos from the scene showed students, some of them crying, being escorted by adults through a parking lot in a line, hands on eachother's shoulders. Children told their parents they had heard bangs and, at one point, a scream over the intercom. Teachers ordered them to hide in closets or corners.

State police said 18 children were found dead at the school and two later were declared dead, and six adults were found dead at the scene. Police said another person was found dead at a second scene, leading to a total death toll of 28. Governor Dannel P. Malloy said someone who lived with the gunman died.

A law enforcement official said the suspect, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, was dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, and he was the son of a teacher at the school. A second law enforcement official said the mother, Nancy Lanza, was presumed dead.

The first official said Adam Lanza's older brother, 24-year-old Ryan, was being questioned by police. An earlier report from a law enforcement official mistakenly transposed the brothers' first names. Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.

According to the second law enforcement official, the suspect drove to the scene in his mother's car. Three guns were found a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols and a .223-caliber rifle.

The official also said Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.

Robert Licata said his 6-year-old son was in class when the gunman burst in and shot the teacher.

"That's when my son grabbed a bunch of his friends and ran out the door," he said. "He was very brave. He waited for his friends."

Licata said the shooter didn't say a word.

The shooting shocked a small, tranquil community in one of the wealthiest counties in the US. The last news items posted before the shooting on the website of the tiny newspaper, The Newtown Bee, lamented cracked headstones at a local cemetery and asked residents to "share 2012 memories."

Anguished parents came running Friday morning when they heard the news.

Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs, and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.

"It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said.

Mergim Bajraliu, 17, heard the gunshots echo from his home and raced to check on his 9-year-old sister at the school. He said his sister, who was fine, heard a scream come over the intercom at one point. He said teachers were shaking and crying as they came out of the building.

"Everyone was just traumatised," he said.

Richard Wilford said his 7-year-old son, Richie, said he heard a noise that "sounded like what he described as cans falling."

The boy told him a teacher went out to check on the noise, came back in, locked the door and had the kids huddle up in the corner until police arrived.

"There's no words," Wilford said. "It's sheer terror, a sense of imminent danger, to get to your child and be there to protect him."

Melissa Makris said her 10-year-old son, Philip, saw what looked like a body under a blanket as he fled the school.

The shootings instantly brought to mind episodes such as the Columbine school massacre that killed 15 in 1999.

"I think as a society, we need to come together. It has to stop these senseless deaths," Columbine principal Frank DeAngelis said Friday.

Already this year, a gunman killed 12 people at a Colorado theater, and another gunman killed six people before killing himself at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

"We have endured too many of these tragedies," Obama said. He addressed reporters in the James S. Brady Press Briefing Room, named in honor of the former White House press secretary who was shot and disabled in the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan in 1981. Brady and his wife, Sarah, have become activists for gun control measures.

"If now is not the time to have a serious discussion about gun control and the epidemic of gun violence plaguing our society, I don't know when is," one member of Congress, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, said in a statement.

Overseas, there was both shock and sympathy. In a public statement addressed to Obama, French President Francois Hollande said he was "horrified."

Speaker of the US House of Representatives John Boehner said via Twitter that he had ordered flags over the United States Capitol to be lowered in tribute to families and victims.
 
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Why would anyone do that to such innocent young humans. They had their whole lives ahead of them, most probably looking forward to seeing what Father Christmas had for them only them be ruthlessly killed by a person who can't be described by words they are so disgusting. To think that could have been anybody's child I could never think of the devastation that would rip brought a family. My thoughts and prayers are with the families who will have to suffer through this Christmas knowing that their lives will never be the same.
 

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:( that's the sad part of it. Especially young kids, and as you say, looking forward to Christmas. It's also sad that the parents are going to spend their Christmas grieving and mourning when they should be wrapping presents and having christmas dinner with the family, but sadly that's been ripped apart because of some idiot.

Thoughts and prayers with those affected once again
 

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It's always shocking when a thing like this happens. I don't know why the US doesn't have stricter gun controls! You rarely hear about similar events in Britain. From the news, Barack Obama seemed very emotional about the whole thing :(
 

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Also in BBC News today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20720203

Air gun owners will need a licence under plans announced by the Scottish government.

Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill launched a consultation on how the new licensing regime for air weapons will work.

Powers to legislate on air weapons were devolved to Holyrood under the Scotland Act 2012.

It is estimated that up to half a million air guns in Scotland would need a licence under the proposals.

The campaign to tighten air gun controls gathered momentum after the death of toddler Andrew Morton in Glasgow in 2005, who was shot in the head by a drug addict.

Under the new scheme, anyone wanting to own an air gun would need to demonstrate they had a legitimate reason for doing so.

The consultation proposals will affect anyone who currently owns an air weapon and wants to continue to do so, those buying new air weapons, or those who wish to bring an air weapon into Scotland, for example to competitions or on holiday.

The regulation of firearms proper is pretty tight in the UK, and now similar controls are probably going to be in place soon for airguns here.

I wonder if the USA will ever be able to change attitudes of its citizens to firearms?
 

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Also in BBC News today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20720203



The regulation of firearms proper is pretty tight in the UK, and now similar controls are probably going to be in place soon for airguns here.

I wonder if the USA will ever be able to change attitudes of its citizens to firearms?

Well it's part of you're rights to own a gun in America I believe to defend yourself. But it does really need to be stricter, it's much easier to obtain one there than here.
 

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Well it's part of you're rights to own a gun in America I believe to defend yourself. But it does really need to be stricter, it's much easier to obtain one there than here.


I've always seen it as the situation of, remove the guns from the street, with tight as hell controls on who can have one and why, then the problem of needing one to protect yourself is all but in extreme cases gone. This isn't the 1860s, people aren't settling the west anymore, you don't NEED a gun for any purpose, especially in towns and cities.
We don't have them here and we don't have the issues of gun crime they do over there.

Says me who has a criminal record for firearms offences :oops: but the point still stands.

Deepest sympathy to those involved. Let's hope reform will now come at long last.
 

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The gun debate has been done and got stuck in a vicious circle and the toting rooting south have pretty much the same reaction to use lecturing them about it as we do when they criticise the NHS.

But will just say this; if they can't see the link between gun ownership and gun crime then I unfortunately expect to keep reading the same headlines.
 

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Well it's part of you're rights to own a gun in America I believe to defend yourself. But it does really need to be stricter, it's much easier to obtain one there than here.

It was originally because G Washington didn't want the US to have a standing army, because you then look for things for it to do...

Of course now the US does have a standing army some might say Washington was proven right, some might also say there is no need for the second amendment with

Maybe it might be worth banning the sale of Assault rifles and automatic weapons. Those have no legitimate use for hunting or sport...

But another country to look at would be Switzerland. Where most of the population are legally required to keep weapons (Swiss Army can call them up), how come they have far less gun crime?
 

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I can only repeat what others have already said. R.I.P, my thoughts go out to all those affected by this tragedy, caused by the actions of one lunatic.
 

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As ever thoughts go to those who have lost their lives through no fault of their own.


I feel it important to quote the second amendment in full
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Can it really be said that US citizens are a well organised militia and, with one of the world's biggest armed forces, is it necessary to the security of a free State?
 

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As ever thoughts go to those who have lost their lives through no fault of their own.


I feel it important to quote the second amendment in full


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As ever thoughts go to those who have lost their lives through no fault of their own.


I feel it important to quote the second amendment in full
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Can it really be said that US citizens are a well organised militia and, with one of the world's biggest armed forces, is it necessary to the security of a free State?
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Can it really be said that US citizens are a well organised militia and, with one of the world's biggest armed forces, is it necessary to the security of a free State?

I always wonder when 'the right to bear arms' became 'the right to bear firearms'? If you have a knife, or a sword or a poleaxe you are still armed
but incapable of killing dozens of people before being taken down.
 
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Well it's part of you're rights to own a gun in America I believe to defend yourself. But it does really need to be stricter, it's much easier to obtain one there than here.

No, it's their right to bear arms as part of a trained militia. Unfortunately Americans seem to forget the last part.

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starrymarkb said:
But another country to look at would be Switzerland. Where most of the population are legally required to keep weapons (Swiss Army can call them up), how come they have far less gun crime?

I think that in the case of the USA, it's probably a deeply rooted cultural problem. Easy access to guns may compound the issue, but in my opinion it's not the cause.

I suggest that anyone interested in this topic takes a look at this map from the Guardian.
 

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No, it's their right to bear arms as part of a trained militia. Unfortunately Americans seem to forget the last part.

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Maybe I put it wrong, I put it as it's your right but asking my mum who has lived in America before it's not part of your rights but it's the fact that you're allowed one without a licence.
 

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Tragic news and my thoughts go out to the families of those that lost their lives (and also those that went through this ordeal).

Sadly, it does seem that events best described as spree shootings and/or rampage killings are more common in the USA than elsewhere.

You rarely hear about similar events in Britain.

We don't have them here and we don't have the issues of gun crime they do over there.

As much as I think that firearm control is an important policy, I'd be a little bit cautious about saying things like this don't happen in Britain, or that gun crime doesn't really exist.

The USA has a population of over 310,000,000 people, it's a massive country where there are statistically going to be more high-profile incidents. I'd say a fairer picture is how many of this type of incident has happened in the USA vs. Western Europe as a whole. There have actually been a number of recent similar incidents in Europe I can remember, not least the tragic events in Cumbria of 2010 or indeed three separate occurrences last year in Belgium, Norway and the Netherlands. Granted, it doesn't happen as frequently, but it's not as if we're talking about awful occurrences which are unique to the USA.

All countries and societies should be looking at how they can spot and control unstable individuals (and their access to weaponry), although it's not always possible as visible signs just aren't there to be observed, even to those close to such individuals.
 
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"They had their entire lives ahead of them, Birthdays, Graduations, Wedding, Kids of their own."

While every sympathy is due to those affected I've never heard Obama say the above about the kids routinely destroyed by US Drones in Pakistan and Afghanistan, why would that be?
 

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It is massively sad news overall.

As always it appears Mental health gets ignored by countries. All need to do more for it and the USA in deed appears to do something for accessible health care for all it's citizens.

About firearms we can't fully judge them as biased towards our stupidly strict laws surrounding them, I think the one surrounding Air Guns in Scotland to require a licence is stupid, which won't be long until its introduced into rest of the country. Have got a Air Rifle and a few Air Pistols/CO2 ones but secured safely with the pellets and CO2 canisters not in the same place.

Yes it appears the States does require stricter laws surrounding guns and mandatory gun safes etc for those not in use and a safe for ammo as well.

Also i see the Medias normal escape goat for these have come out again. Blaming video games straight away, Also says the shooter was a fan of dice game so aim to get those banned?

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And now the Republicans are blaming the School for not having weapons for the teachers to fight back....

WTF!
 

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And now the Republicans are blaming the School for not having weapons for the teachers to fight back....

WTF!

Yes! My facebook news feed is flooded with quotes from Republicans. Disgusting.

My Mr Smith what's that in your pocket..

It's ok son. That's my magnum, wanna play with it?
 

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And now the Republicans are blaming the School for not having weapons for the teachers to fight back....

WTF!

Sadly this is not unexpected. Politics in the US is venomous.
Republicans will do everything in their power to shift the focus away from debate on gun control. Indeed, it's a testament to their success that it only reaches the national and international Press when such massacres take place.

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Yes! My facebook news feed is flooded with quotes from Republicans. Disgusting.

My Mr Smith what's that in your pocket..

It's ok son. That's my magnum, wanna play with it?

The solution? Unfriend whoever posted them.

I can't remember where I saw it but it is deeply hypocritical that there are certain people (usually Republicans) out there who claim to know the second amendment and how it's the constitutional right to bear arms but forget all about the first amendment separating church and state
 
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And now the Republicans are blaming the School for not having weapons for the teachers to fight back....

WTF!

I tweeted over the weekend that rather than the Americans banning guns (or, more realistically, imposing some tougher conditions) that they'd probably seek to arm teachers.

So, the above doesn't surprise me in the least.
 

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...The USA has a population of over 310,000,000 people, it's a massive country where there are statistically going to be more high-profile incidents....
So you'd expect around 5 times as many incidents as the UK. But there are far, far, more proportionally than that! So this excuse doesn't hold water.
 

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As sad as this is, I personally believe this has more to do with how mentally ill people are dealt with rather than gun control.

I second the point kylemore raised too, so often times we forget that the grief we suffer over here from things like this has been caused almost hundreds of times over by our activities in the Middle East.
 

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It's easier to buy a gun in the US than it is to access mental health care.


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