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Ahh so they really dont have much room to be installing stuff - maybe a proper fitout of how they do it on an airplane is coming before they get their new stock on the lines?
That's the sleeper pantry, which I don't believe sees much/any use for food preparation. As DarloRich has alluded to, evening meals and breakfasts are prepared in the relatively larger kitchen of the lounge car, but having taken a peer round the "stable door" of the preparation area in the lounge car, I can confirm that it is very sparse in terms of equipment. I recall that the microwave was the main feature. It's a bit strange that the breakfast offering has for so long fallen below par, when they seem to have generally provided quite reasonable evening meal options.
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I've never been on the sleeper, but that's disappointing to say the least. I was always under the impression that the sleeper delivered a premium product - at least the advertising implies that it's a premium product. I think didldidi would be embarrassed to sell that breakfast.
Having enjoyed a proper cooked breakfast that went by the name of a "Gamekeeper's breakfast" while staying at Carberry Tower east of Edinburgh, I really wouldn't give the latest Caledonian Sleeper offering the time of day, any more than I would the last one! I was really hoping for a noticeable step up in quality having seen the new menu options, but that's abysmal.
 
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I have hopes for a step up in quality but not until the new rolling stock is in place.
 

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That's the sleeper pantry, which I don't believe sees much/any use for food preparation. As DarloRich has alluded to, evening meals and breakfasts are prepared in the relatively larger kitchen of the lounge car, but having taken a peer round the "stable door" of the preparation area in the lounge car, I can confirm that it is very sparse in terms of equipment. I recall that the microwave was the main feature.

That might be true, but I don't see why you couldn't microwave a tray of bacon, a tray of proper sausage etc, and properly arrange them on a proper plate with the other items, doing a few at a time. The one you'd have a job with is fried egg, but poached and scrambled are perfectly microwaveable, as are omelettes. (I actually quite liked the old bacon omelette)

"Cheap and nasty" is the only possible description of what is pictured upthread - a real disappointment.
 

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That might be true, but I don't see why you couldn't microwave a tray of bacon, a tray of proper sausage etc, and properly arrange them on a proper plate with the other items, doing a few at a time.
I'm quite inclined to agree, and also wonder why they don't do it this way.
 

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I have hopes for a step up in quality but not until the new rolling stock is in place.

I'm was thinking the same myself but cannot understand why they didn't continue with what was there to start with. Surely running with that old First offering for the first couple of months would have given them enough time to actually see what works and what doesn't

That might be true, but I don't see why you couldn't microwave a tray of bacon, a tray of proper sausage etc, and properly arrange them on a proper plate with the other items, doing a few at a time. The one you'd have a job with is fried egg, but poached and scrambled are perfectly microwaveable, as are omelettes. (I actually quite liked the old bacon omelette)

"Cheap and nasty" is the only possible description of what is pictured upthread - a real disappointment.

I miss the bacon omelette it was actually really nice. You can get pretty decent pre-cooked sausages and stuff these days that only needs microwaved. All the stuff SSP use in Uppercrust is bought in cooked and just heated up so it isn't difficult to do.

I'm planning on using the sleeper at the end of May, I think I will pass if that's the option available.
 

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Oh, as a previous victim, I assure you that the "soggy sandwich of sadness", as the missus and meself came to christen it, of the Caledonian Sleeper is no laughing matter.;)

I was feeling more than somewhat queasy that morning having imbibed copiously of the Laphroig in the lounge car the previous evening and then sitting on the sink sharing a bottle of mead with myself until somewhere north of what I think was probably Oxenholme, but I can quite confidently say that was the worst bacon sandwich I have ever had in my life to date. And that includes the alternate offering that a "café" in Fort William provided me later that same morning, where the bacon was deep fried without question. :shock:

See below for a picture of the missing, offending, item from DarloRichs' photo. No matter how much I love a breakfast that consists of meat piled on top of meat (with a side of beans), when you're on the Caledonian Sleeper, you chose the Continental breakfast option!

Wow so there isn't even a decent option when you get off at Fort William - never good. But I do like that name for it though.
 

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I think I am going to write them an unhappy complaint. See those screen shots. I booked in early January and selected the Gamekeeper's option. According to the first travel guide this was supposed to be sausages, bacon, mushroom, haggis, black pudding, potato scone and eggs at a cost of £7.50. Now reduced to £6 but with less stuff. And I got the one which is now six quid.

Note how they've added the salmon breakfast which is now the most expensive option. They also removed the Kedgeree and changed to cheaper ingredients with the others.
 

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Wow so there isn't even a decent option when you get off at Fort William - never good. But I do like that name for it though.

There is a Wetherspoons on the High St in Fort Bill and a couple of the pubs also do breakfast. Premier Inn/Brewers Fayre also but breakfast is probably finished by the time the sleeper arrives.

The best breakfast near the station for any of the sleepers has to be Sizzlers in Aberdeen. For something like £6.50 you get the mother of all platefuls and a gallon of tea plus it's pretty good into the bargain. Probably one of the things I miss most about living in Aberdeen - Sizzlers on the way home on a Saturday morning with a gale force hangover.
 

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Maybe we should offer the guy who runs it a contract to expand his seating area and do fryups for all sleaper pax?
 

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That might be true, but I don't see why you couldn't microwave a tray of bacon, a tray of proper sausage etc, and properly arrange them on a proper plate with the other items, doing a few at a time. The one you'd have a job with is fried egg, but poached and scrambled are perfectly microwaveable, as are omelettes. (I actually quite liked the old bacon omelette)

"Cheap and nasty" is the only possible description of what is pictured upthread - a real disappointment.

I agree with you. Presentation is very important, and what is pictured looks awful. It doesn't matter what it tastes like, your eyes will have convinced you it's not very nice before anything gets to your mouth.
 

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Wow so there isn't even a decent option when you get off at Fort William - never good.
As Chrism20 details, there actually is I am pleased to say: At the time of this particular trip though the Wetherspoons had yet to open, but I did eventually track down a very decent bacon and (Lorne) sausage bap from the little café on the station, having bypassed it in the first instance after disembarking from the sleeper!

I've heard that Cobb's, under the underpass from the station and attached to the Nevisport building, is meant to do a good breakfast but haven't had a chance to sample it myself - These days I'm more likely to make a beeline for the Wetherspoons.
 
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I'd much rather have a Wetherspoons breakfast than what seems to be provided on the sleeper!
 

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IS there an option for white pudding? My missus prefers that!

The fact that it comes on a proper plate would be a great improvement on the sleeper. It's what I meant about presentation being important. If they don't have room to store plates and cutlery at the moment, I hope changes can be made at some point so they can in future!
 

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Too right! :D For starters they serve it on a proper plate, and north of the border 'Spoons still do their cooked breakfasts properly, with black pudding! :)

Don't forget the tattie scone :D

Hopefully it's just teething problems (Although there appear to be so many teething problems it's beyond belief) with the sleeper and things improve, however surely someone within Serco would have sampled this stuff before signing a contract. Unless as others have suggested it's just an add an to an existing contract.
 

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I have hopes for a step up in quality but not until the new rolling stock is in place.
As Hitachi's spec for their Super Express Trains includes "the capability to deliver 100 cooked breakfasts per 2hr of journey time", I would hope that something similar would be included in the specification for the new catering vehicles for the Caledonian Sleeper. As personally I believe that a train's ability to produce cooked bacon is a very important criterion, that is so often overlooked in deference to such trivial concerns as seating capacity, tractive effort and maximum speed. :lol: How about a new standard measure for all new train designs - "rpm", or rashers per minute? ;)
 

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If you go back to the very first page of this thread you can see how Serco were promising carrying would be at the centre of their bid. But that does indeed look like a police breakfast!
 

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I travelled north on the Highland Sleeper (Inverness portion) last Monday evening. The overall experience was good, this being - as ever - owing to the friendly staff and good company in the form of fellow travellers, the physical facilities being much the same as ever.

A few things to note, some of which I have already mentioned in this thread:

1. The booking process was excellent, apart from the lack of ability to book a bike space through the sleeper.scot website, other than sending a message through the online contact form which initially fell foul of technical difficulties. Once I had uncovered an actual email address to send an email to, the response was prompt and, although an official bike reservation number was unable to be given (as previously), there was no problem in the carriage of my bike. Bit of a hassle, but OK in the end owing to my being proactive.

2. Departure at the time of booking was 1906, for a path via the ECML. On the day of departure, at 1200, I received what seems to be a standard courtesy email from the operator informing me of departure at 2006. It so happened that I had checked the timetable nearer the time, so I was informed of this change in advance. An email at the time that the train's schedule changes would have been better. No actual problem caused, a potential inconvenience in turning up an hour early, but OK again in the end owing to my being proactive.

3. The cabin was clean and neatly presented, the facilities all working well, apart from the heater which was too hot for me on it's lowest setting. In the morning, there was a not altogether pleasant smell that emerged as the train departed from each stop. Not sure what this was. Possibly the smell of breakfasts being microwaved, or potentially something less appetising?

4. Use of the Lounge Car. Before the trip I was concerned that I might not be able to use the this favourite hang out of mine during the evening owing to clear information on sleeper.scot underlining the priority given admitting First Class passengers to this facility. Staff in the ticket office at London Euston then said that First Class passengers only were admitted. On the platform, having deposited my bike, I enquired of one of the sleeper hosts who was very helpful in affirming the formal arrangements, but saying that tables were reserved for First Class passengers, and that I would be able to use any of the remaining space in the Lounge Car. In the end, access was no problem, and an enjoyable evening was spent in the company of staff and fellow passengers.

5. Food & drink. I personally like the new menu and very much enjoyed the "Clunes Lamb, new potato and mint casserole with spring greens" which was delicious, slightly more modest than an equivalent pub meal would have been at £9.50, but was of excellent quality - tender & tasty meat, good chunks of vegetables, delicious gravy. I would have liked a bread roll (or the like) with it to mop up the gravy at the end, and to fill things out a bit, but otherwise very good. Say 4/5.

The menu overall looks great to me. I appreciate the variety both of styles and prices: for example, in the range of beers you can still enjoy a tin of Deuchars IPA for little over £2 alongside more premium craft ales for quite a bit more. I would have happily taken breakfast in the Lounge Car had I not been alighting at Aviemore to meet my wife for breakfast.

The cardboard holders for the morning drinks are a great improvement. When paper bags were used, there was real potential for the cup of hot water to spill, and my wife was once burned in such an incident. It's a shame that actual tea is not served - I hold to the principle that good tea is the result of boiling water hitting the tea leaves. Nevertheless, the morning cuppa was OK. Shortbread a bit more airy than the more substantial, crumby (I mean this in a good way) former offering.

6. The staff were beautifully presented in their stylish new uniforms, and were ever helpful. They have clearly had to work hard to implement the changes the new franchisee have determined, but were keen to offer all their guests (First and Standard class) the same standard of hospitality as we have been used to. I cannot speak too highly of the service culture of this workforce, and I hope that their new employers treasure them and this quality. I appreciated a cuppa being brought to me in the night as I was coming down with a cold.

In conclusion, a good service, although there is room for improvement and these, of course, are early days and the learning process will be two-way for staff and managers.

Looking forward, I personally hope that affordable Standard class cabins and access to the Lounge Car is normally possible for Standard class passengers. On the Highland Sleeper in particular, the convivial atmosphere of the Lounge Car is what makes this journey so special for myself and many such travellers.
 

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The tea cardboard holders are not a new thing. I remember having them on a journey from Edinburgh to London in December. They were in a paper bag though as I had upgraded to a continental breakfast.
 

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3. In the morning, there was a not altogether pleasant smell that emerged as the train departed from each stop. Not sure what this was. Possibly the smell of breakfasts being microwaved, or potentially something less appetising?
The brakes on mark 3s have historically been known to produce an odour after an extended period of braking (such as a station stop) which subsequently circulates through the ventilation system, due to the positioning of the vents. If this was occurring in the lounge car then it might be that this affects the sleeper's mark 2 vehicles as well.
 

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It is worrying that there does not seem to have been a decent attempt to improve the breakfast by Serco. I used the sleeper last year under the old franchise, and the microwaved tray of stodge was easily the worst aspect of the whole trip, and certainly tarnished the 'first class' experience that they were trying to create (and charge for).
I thought at first that this was down to the Fort William section losing the kitchen at Edinburgh when the trains were split but that was actually just swapped with another, so I assume they simply don't employ the same chef/cook for the morning shift. It's a shame, as the evening meals were so very much better, and clearly they could produce a proper cooked breakfast if they tried.

On a side issue, eating breakfast in the cabins isn't a great experience either, as you end up perched on the bed rather awkwardly, which is tricky solo, but a pain for two of you. Could really do with a fold down table of some kind, so hopefully something that will be considered in the new carriages.
 

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No, but there is a shaver point which if used with a 2 pin euro adapter and your 3 pin mains charger will do fine for a phone etc.
 

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Never had an issue myself and Id guess theres a certain amount of protection seeing as you use it to shave?
 

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I seem to recall that the franchise agreement says something about Serco adding in USB charging ports using the shaving socket electrics within the first few weeks of running the franchise.
 

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I think the USB thing was supposed to be installed within the first two weeks, so it should be there now. One word of advice. As usual with trains the power isn't always consistent. I always put my phone face down and you should disable any noise or vibration for unplugging the power.
 
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