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Scottish licensing laws on cross border trains.

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ossy5190

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Today I while onboard a VTEC service travelling north of Edinburgh the on board trolley host was offering multi buy promotions on alcohol which are of course now illegal a in Scotland. Does VTEC have an exemption from Scottish licensing laws because they are registered in England operating a train which originated in England? If so does this also apply to minimum unit pricing and restricted selling times on Sundays? Just curious if this is perhaps a slight loop hole in the regulations. Of course this may just be a mistake on the part of the trolley host hence no mention of the exact service.
 
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I might be wrong but I don't think normal Licensing Laws apply on trains whether in Scotland or England?
 

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I think you'll find that minimum unit pricing at 50p per unit of alcohol is somewhat irrelevant given the prices charged on board trains for even the cheapest alcohol option
 

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I think you'll find that minimum unit pricing at 50p per unit of alcohol is somewhat irrelevant given the prices charged on board trains for even the cheapest alcohol option
The laws against multi-buy offers have been in place for years. They aren't anything to do with minimum pricing. I'm not sure what the status of them is at the moment though - enforcement seems to be non-existent, and I'm seeing more and more offers around the place that are against the law as I understand it.
 

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I think you'll find that minimum unit pricing at 50p per unit of alcohol is somewhat irrelevant given the prices charged on board trains for even the cheapest alcohol option

Different legislation.

The query relates to the Alcohol etc (Scotland) Act 2010. It prohibits the sale of more than one item for less the cost of a single item. So if a shop sells a can of lager for £3, it can't sell 2 cans of lager for £5.
 

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Doesn't affect the sleeper either.

It's all a bit messy, but technically railway vehicles are exempt from the licensing regimes. I'm not sure if the legislation is truly about licensing, more about the way it is sold.

Only way to know to be sure is to buy the alcohol, obtain a receipt, dial 999, report a criminal act, and wait for BTP to turn up at Waverley.
 

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It's all a bit messy, but technically railway vehicles are exempt from the licensing regimes. I'm not sure if the legislation is truly about licensing, more about the way it is sold.

Only way to know to be sure is to buy the alcohol, obtain a receipt, dial 999, report a criminal act, and wait for BTP to turn up at Waverley.

The multi-buy discount applies to licensed premises under the 2005 Licensing (Scotland) Act. Trains and passenger carrying codified commercial vessels are not licensed premises, but are permitted to sell alcohol on board by other legislation.
 

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restricted selling times on Sundays?

Restricted selling times on Sundays (for off sales) don't exist in Scotland any longer.

Permitted sales hours are 10:00 to 22:00 every day of the week.
 

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I remember being told when the Scots first started charging for bags being told onboard that it didn't apply in a 'transit area' (eg. Airports, onboard trains). I assume this is the same?
 

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I remember being told when the Scots first started charging for bags being told onboard that it didn't apply in a 'transit area' (eg. Airports, onboard trains). I assume this is the same?

Indeed, the charge does not need to be made for bags:

(e) used to contain a purchase made on board a ship, train, aircraft, coach or bus;
(f) used to contain a purchase made in an aerodrome security restricted area;

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2014/161/schedule/made
 

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XC also has multibuy offers

It prohibits the sale of more than one item for less the cost of a single item. So if a shop sells a can of lager for £3, it can't sell 2 cans of lager for £5.

What the shops still do (and seem to get away with) is charging different prices for different bottle/multipack sizes although minimum pricing has reduced the advantage in buying larger packs.
 

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The multi-buy discount applies to licensed premises under the 2005 Licensing (Scotland) Act. Trains and passenger carrying codified commercial vessels are not licensed premises, but are permitted to sell alcohol on board by other legislation.

No, it's the same legislation. The Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005 states that, inter alia, the following are exempt premises for the purposes of the Act:

124 (c) an aircraft, a hovercraft or a railway vehicle while engaged on a journey,
 
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