Strathclyder
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thealexweb
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Prior to the operation of the Borders Railway what will the cascaded 156s and 158s be used for?
Also, what were the 'spare' 318s doing prior to their redeployment?
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Strathclyder
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I think the 156s/158s will be used for strengthening other services on the network.
Same for the 318s as well, I think.
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LNW-GW Joint
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The Whifflet services do strange things from December, according to realtimetrains.
Both the Carmyle line services run to Milngavie via Central LL (replacing Lanark services which run to HL instead), with one starting back from Motherwell.
But the current local Cumbernauld-Motherwell service extends to Dalmuir via LL.
So Whifflet gets 3tph to LL via two different routes.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/WFF/2014/12/15/0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt
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Can anyone suggest any Scotrail routes that currently use sprinters that require a permanent capacity boost at this time?
Strathclyder
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The Glasgow South Western Line and the West Highland Line spring to mind.
And Edinburgh - Glasgow Central via Shotts.
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In the peaks maybe, I have recently used it off-peak and it was mostly empty.
Manchester Vic-Todmorden-Burnley?
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There are dozens upon dozens of routes throughout England that deserve strengthening far more than most Scotrail routes but cascading is not an option till the franchise ends sadly
Network Rail has been tweeting about the redevelopment of Queen St station and mentioned that the expansion of the concourse was necessary partly because of scope to increase service frequency on the low level line. I was wondering how many more trains could potentially run through QS LL (currently 8tph) if a turn back was built east of Partick - any thoughts?
Altnabreac
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All these changes look good, faster times from Lanark, Carluke and Wishaw to Glasgow are excellent news.
Whifflet and Cumbernauld services become integrated into the Argyle line / Hamilton circle properly and again new connections are created.
However one place which loses out is Holytown which loses its hourly connection to Motherwell and Hamilton. Given the way it was timed, Glasgow passengers will have caught the following Shotts line train anyway but it is a loss of service and connections compared to previous service.
Presumably someone has done some passenger travel pattern analysis and most Holytown passengers are travelling to Glasgow? I guess for Motherwell you'd get the bus anyway.
This gives us a new daily parliamentary to cover the Wishaw - Holytown route using the peak Carstairs extra service:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G50280/2014/12/15/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G97152/2014/12/15/advanced
The Mossend South - Mossend East junction passenger service is also reduced from 1tph to 1tpd with the passenger service being the existing Motherwell - Edinburgh via Shotts peak time only service:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G98787/2014/12/15/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G98785/2014/12/15/advanced
The Scottish Government's draft budget for 2015-16 gives an indication that it's rolling programme of electrification will continue into CP6.
It's analysis of liabilities at Annex A confirms that the Scot Govt is allowing for RAB borrowing for network electrification to at least 2022. RAB will also fund other projects beyond those included in the 2012 HLOS, specifically Aberdeen to Central Belt, further phases of Aberdeen to Inverness and Highland Mainline.
It's pleasing to see a commitment to significant investment beyond 2019.
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0046/00460440.pdf
It's analysis of liabilities at Annex A confirms that the Scot Govt is allowing for RAB borrowing for network electrification to at least 2022. RAB will also fund other projects beyond those included in the 2012 HLOS, specifically Aberdeen to Central Belt, further phases of Aberdeen to Inverness and Highland Mainline.
It's pleasing to see a commitment to significant investment beyond 2019.
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0046/00460440.pdf
matchmaker
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Did QS LL not have 4 platforms in steam days?
GRALISTAIR
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Totally agree- now lets hope Westminster follows.
So everyone must go begging to Whitehall again and wait for their whims, dictates and interference. The sooner every region of England gets what the Scots get the better. Good on 'em for taking their chance and improving transport.
Yes it did at one time.
LNW-GW Joint
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That's a little odd because NR has just finished wiring Rutherglen-Whifflet!
Electric trains start running in December.
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Altnabreac
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Good news. I think this now definitely secures the Shotts electrification for Dec 2019 as it's specifically mentioned in the CP5 plans.
Hopefully means the East Kilbride, Barrhead and Maryhill lines follow on smoothly in the period 2019-2022.
Will be interesting to see if the new franchise's depot and rolling stock strategy impacts on the plans. Specifically I wonder if we might see the City Union and Edinburgh South Suburban lines back on the agenda in order to assist with empty stock movements. South Sub especially may help with Edinburgh Waverley capacity if the new electric stock is confirmed as being based at Millerhill.
While the South Suburban electrification was removed from Network Rail plans by ORR a scheme to increase capacity at Waverley is included for CP5 so South Sub electrification scheme could be advanced under that funding stream if capacity benefits can be shown.
matchmaker
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Thought my memory was correct! The LL platforms are now numbered 8 & 9, but used to be 10 & 11 post-electrification.
Photohunter71
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I'd imagine electrification of the South sub loop line is going to happen very soon,after all,they are in the midst of gauge clearance on the sub for deep sea containers,(when will we start seeing this service?) I suspect those will be hauled by electric locomotives,so makes sense to electrify the afforementioned line.
Altnabreac
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The ORR Periodic Review specifically excluded funding for South Sub electrification in CP5:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/496/fd-annexes.pdf
ORR said:
So if it is to be funded either Transport Scotland have to agree for it to be paid for from the ongoing electrification fund, or another funding source. There is money agreed in the HLOS for improving capacity at Waverley so this could be one route to progress happening.
At present though Network Rail does not have funding to electrify the route, only to gauge clear it. I'm sure alll gauge clearing work they do will have future electrification in mind but there may be some borderline structures that do not need work to gauge clear but would for electrification.
The CP5 Delivery Plan contains some encouraging info re Edinburgh Suburban Electrification: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/cp5-delivery-plan/cp5-enhancements-delivery-plan.pdf
Page 8 states:
"Network Rail is currently progressing the development of two projects contained in the Strategic Business Plan not specifically required to deliver the HLOS or included in the Final Determination. However, Carstairs Junction remodel and the Edinburgh Suburban Electrification projects will contribute to improving journey times and reducing carbon emissions as required by the Scottish Ministers HLOS and are therefore subject to further discussions with funders to determine how they will be funded for implementation in CP5."
Page 166 states:
"The Works have synergy with the planned electrification of the Edinburgh suburban lines early in CP5."
The Delivery Plan also states that Edinburgh suburban electrification is being considered for funding in CP5 from the Scottish Strategic Rail Freight Investment Fund (page 142) and from theScottish Network Improvement Fund (page 143).
From the above it does seem there is a good chance it will go ahead in CP5.
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Costain and Morgan Sindall have been awarded the £250M contract to electrify the main railway line between Glasgow and Edinburgh.
http://www.nce.co.uk/news/transport...dinburgh-rail-electrification/8672144.article
http://www.nce.co.uk/news/transport...dinburgh-rail-electrification/8672144.article
LNW-GW Joint
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And yet Carillion Powerlines was awarded the regional electrification framework contract for Scotland and the North East last year.
Carillion has just completed the Cumbernauld/Whifflet electrification.
The NR announcement talks about "core physical works".
Maybe it relates to route clearance and station upgrades rather then the wiring.
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.c...ded-as-main-engineering-works-begin-21b9.aspx
Altnabreac
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I believe they are entirely separate works contracts and Carillon will be starting advance works on the Shotts line electrification under the regional framework next year while EGIP is delivered by Costain separately.
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https://twitter.com/NetworkRailEGIP/status/548915198883815424/photo/1
Providing electrification clearance at Carmuirs, adjacent to the Falkirk Wheel on the Grahamston line.
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Providing electrification clearance at Carmuirs, adjacent to the Falkirk Wheel on the Grahamston line.
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https://twitter.com/NetworkRailEGIP/status/548915198883815424/photo/1
Providing electrification clearance at Carmuirs, adjacent to the Falkirk Wheel on the Grahamston line.
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Kind of sad to see the old aqueduct go, but that's progress etc.
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