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Scottish Bus Group recovery vehicles

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KeithB

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Is anyone aware of a comprehensive list of SBG recovery vehicles? Those converted from buses can largely be gleaned from PSV Circle fleet histories, but the others are much harder to pin down, in particular the interesting and varied fleet of ex-Army AEC Matadors which hid behind trade plates and were subject to periodic rebuilding. My research on these has so far come up with the following incomplete list:

Alexander L144 (unknown) AEC Matador. To Alexander (Fife)
Alexander L162 (unknown) AEC Matador. Sold 1952
Alexander L163 (544MS (t/p)) AEC Matador. To Alexander (Midland) ML163
Alexander L168 (unknown) AEC Matador. Sold 1953
Alexander L169 (unknown) AEC Matador. Sold 1953
Alexander (Fife) L1 (unknown) AEC Matador O8538611. Was this the former L144?
Alexander (Fife) L2 (A19AXA (t/p), Q204XSC) AEC Matador O8535570. Another candidate to be the former L144. Now preserved as TVS347.
Alexander (Midland) ML241 (unknown) AEC Matador O8537990. Later preserved as Q414JCC.
Central SMT S10 (BGM39, also 191GM (t/p)) AEC Matador O8534270. Later Kelvin Scottish.
Central SMT S1 (JGM853F) AEC Matador O8536348. Later Central Scottish S34, now preserved.
Highland Omnibuses H5 (086ST (t/p), 246ST (t/p), Q600NST) AEC Matador O8531356. Likely ex Scottish Omnibuses. Later Fife Scottish 1030.
Highland Omnibuses H8 (unknown) AEC type unknown
Scottish Omnibuses unknown (630S (t/p)) AEC Matador
Scottish Omnibuses unknown (774S (t/p)) AEC Matador. This looks very much like the one which became Highland Q600NST.
Scottish Omnibuses E1 (914S (t/p), later Q210XSC) AEC Matador O8531022. Later Eastern Scottish.
Scottish Omnibuses E2 (086ST (t/p), 246ST (t/p), later Q206XSC) AEC Matador. Later Lowland Scottish RV1, then 1006.
Western SMT W7012 (035HS (t/p), 087TS (t/p), Q684PES) AEC Matador. To Strathtay Scottish (maybe via Clydeside?). Now preserved as JK5603
Western SMT W7014 (022AG (t/p), 046SD (tp), Q138RDS) AEC Matador O8533590, now preserved
Western SMT W7015 (011SM (t/p), Q137RDS) AEC Militant I, now preserved
Western SMT W7051 (087TS (t/p), 008VS (t/p), Q166RDS) AEC Matador O8534293. Later Clydeside Scottish 1090, then W1.
Strathtay Scottish SRV3 (FYS8) AEC Matador O853480. Ex Glasgow Corporation/Strathclyde PTE.
 
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@KeithB Welcome to the forum!

Here are another few for your list:

Northern L127, Leyland Bull, TL339
Northern L205N, Leyland Tiger TS8, originally P528, WG8107

Both are apparently preserved.
Source: The Buses of Northern Scottish, Peter Findlay

Northern NTV1, Bristol FLF6G, HGM431E
Northern NTV2, Leyland Leopard PSU3/3R, DMS325C

Both listed in Stagecoach Fleet Handbook, 1992

I found a photo of this:
Northern NTV 5, Leyland? (Truck derived), CYM111V

I assume there must be been NTV 3 and 4, but I don't have any details.

Searching Google images for "northern scottish leyland tow truck" reveals photos of:
Northern DMS359C, Leopard, fleet number unknown
Stagecoach Bluebird OAG535H (no idea if this was converted in SBG days)

I'd suggest having a look at David Devoy's Scottish Bus Archives on Flickr; he has a lot of tow truck photos there.

 

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Many thanks GusB. My list has come from quite a few sources including Flickr, various published fleet lists and my own 1980s/90s photos, and I'd only listed the Matadors/Militant above because they are the most enigmatic. For anyone else who is interested, the whole (but still incomplete) list that I have come up with so far is as follows. Some of these vehicles were lorries rather than recovery vehicles.

Central SMT/Central Scottish
S1, later S34 (JGM853F) AEC Matador (later Central Scottish)
S10 (BGM39) AEC Matador (to Kelvin Scottish 1985)
S23 (BVD942) Leyland Tiger PS1, ex bus T146
S24 (BVD943) Leyland Tiger PS1, ex bus T147
S25 (BVD944) Leyland Tiger PS1, ex bus T148
S26 (DVD944) Leyland Titan PD2, ex bus L390
S27 (EVA683) Leyland Tiger PS1, ex bus T161
S40 (GM7707) Leyland Titan PD2, ex bus L507
S41 (GM7708) Leyland Titan PD2, ex bus L508
S54 (HGM427E) Leyland Leopard, ex bus T27 (to Central Scottish 1985, later KCB)
S56 (HGM429E) Leyland Leopard, ex bus T29 (to Central Scottish 1985, later KCB)
S57 (HGM430E) Leyland Leopard, ex bus T30 (to Central Scottish 1985, later KCB)
S58 (HGM428E) Leyland Leopard, ex bus T28 (to Central Scottish 1985, later KCB)
S61 (HGM426E) Leyland Leopard, ex bus T26 (to Central Scottish 1985, later KCB)
S63 (HGM431E) Leyland Leopard, ex bus T31 (to Central Scottish 1985, then Northern Scottish in 1988)
S82 (AGM682L) Leyland Leopard, ex bus T182 (this belonged to SBG Engineering at Motherwell Works rather than Central Scottish, but later passed to KCB)

SMT/Scottish Omnibuses/Eastern Scottish
unknown (FS8583) AEC Regal 4, ex bus B123
unknown (AG8276) Leyland Tiger TS4, ex bus H124 (to Alexander L176 1949 with Dundee depot)
unknown (ESC424) AEC Regent III, ex bus BB24
unknown (GSC249) AEC Regal III, ex bus B361
unknown (trade plates 630S) AEC Matador
unknown (trade plates 774S) AEC Matador (probably later to Highland as Q600NST)
E1 (Q210XSC) AEC Matador (to Eastern Scottish 1985)
E2 (Q206XSC) AEC Matador (to Lowland Scottish 1985)
E3 (OWS613) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus AA613 (to Eastern Scottish 1985)
E4 (USC767) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus AA767 (to Eastern Scottish 1985)
E5 (CSG22C) Bristol Lodekka FLF, ex bus AA22 (to Eastern Scottish 1985)
E6 (CSG29C) Bristol Lodekka FLF, ex bus AA29 (to Eastern Scottish 1985)
E7 (CSG41C) Bristol Lodekka FLF, ex bus AA41 (to Alexander (Midland) 1985, with Baillieston operations, thence to Kelvin Scottish)
E8 (CSG45C) Bristol Lodekka FLF, ex bus AA45 (to Eastern Scottish 1985)
E16 (E743OSF) Ford Cargo lorry
unknown (KSX686N) Seddon Pennine VII, ex driver training bus TB6 (converted by Eastern Scottish after privatisation)

Highland Omnibuses/Highland Scottish
unknown (WG1125) Leyland Tiger TS4, ex bus H171
unknown (AST749) TSM H5LA4, ex bus T1
unknown (VD7373) Leyland Tiger TS7, ex bus H8
H5 (Q600NST) AEC Matador, probably ex Scottish Omnibuses (later to Fife Scottish 1030)
H6 (ESC441) AEC Regal III, ex bus B45
H8 (unknown) AEC unknown
H10 (RAG390) Bristol Lodekka FL, ex bus Western SMT B1624
H12 (WSD756K) Leyland Leopard, ex bus Western SMT L2366
H13 (YSD352L) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L41
H14 (YSD356L) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L37

W Alexander & Sons
L125 (FG6515) Leyland Badger TS4, ex bus O268
L126 (FG5169) Thornycroft, ex bus T29
L127 (trade plates 259RS) Leyland Bull (to Alexander (Northern) 1961)
L131 (SN5591) Leyland Bull (to ? 1961)
L138 (SX3317) Bedford QLB, ex Pitlochry Motor Services
L139 (FG8146) Leyland Bull
L140 (MS9107) Leyland Lion LT1, ex bus N35
L141 (MS9103) Leyland Lion LT1, ex bus N3
L142 (MS9031) Leyland Lion LT1, ex bus N8
L143 (MS 9033) Leyland Lion LT1, ex bus N32
L144 (unknown) AEC Matador (to Alexander (Fife) 1961)
L147 (MS8675) Leyland Lion LT1, ex bus N76
L158 (WG5245) Leyland Beaver
L159 (RMS209) Albion AM463 (to Alexander (Midland) 1961)
L162 (unknown) AEC Matador
L163 (trade plates 544MS) AEC Matador (to Alexander (Midland) 1961)
L168 (unknown) AEC Matador
L169 (unknown) AEC Matador
L172 (MS9740) Leyland Lion LT2, ex bus N111
L173 (MS9788) Leyland Lion LT2, ex bus N104
L176 (AG8276) Leyland Tiger TS2, ex SMT (Dundee area) in 1949
L177 (WG2379) Leyland Lion LT5B, ex bus P175
L178 (WG2358) Leyland Lion LT5B, ex bus P154 (to Alexander (Midland) 1961)
L179 (WG3383) Leyland Titan TD4, ex bus R49 (to Alexander (Midland) 1961)
L180 (WG2370) Leyland Lion LT5B, ex bus P166 (to Alexander (Midland) 1961)
L181 (WG2365) Leyland Lion LT5B, ex bus P161 (to Alexander (Midland) 1961)
L183 (WG2337) Leyland Lion LT5B, ex bus P289 (to Alexander (Midland) 1961)
L184 (WG2334) Leyland Lion LT5B, ex bus P286 (to Alexander (Northern) 1961)
L185 (FG9432) Leyland Lion LT5B, ex bus P488 (to Alexander (Fife) 1961)
L186 (FG9463) Leyland Lion LT5B, ex bus P148 (to Alexander (Fife) 1961)
L193 (CSF232) Leyland Tiger TS8, ex bus P840 (to Alexander (Midland) 1961)
L194 (CSF241) Leyland Tiger TS8, ex bus P834 (to Alexander (Fife) 1961)
L199 (CSF226) Leyland Tiger TS8, ex bus P818 (to Alexander (Midland) 1961)
L202 (CSF231) Leyland Tiger TS8, ex bus P819
L205 (WG8107) Leyland Tiger TS8, ex bus P528 (to Alexander (Northern) 1961)
L208 (WG2331) Leyland Lion LT5B, ex bus N135 (to ? 1961)
L209 (WG3381) Leyland Titan TD4, ex bus R47 (to ? 1961)
L210 (WG5491) Leyland Tiger TS7, ex bus P355 (to ? 1961)
L213 (WG8131) Leyland Tiger TS8, ex bus P552 (to Alexander (Fife) 1961)
L214 (WG8122) Leyland Tiger TS8, ex bus P543 (to Alexander (Fife) 1961)

Alexander (Fife)/Fife Scottish
Former Alexander L144, L185, L186, L194, L213 and L214 as detailed above, which became FL144 etc. FL213 was later numbered L5. Additions were:
L1 (unknown) AEC Matador, possibly ex FL144?
L2 (Q204XSC) AEC Matador, possibly ex FL144?
L7 (AWG384) Guy Arab III, ex bus FRO598
L5 (GWG984) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus FRD8
L6 (RWG372) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus FRD149
L7 (KWG610) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus FRD57
L8 (BXA459B) Bristol Lodekka FS, ex bus FRD194
L5 (BXA455B) Bristol Lodekka FS, ex bus FRD190
L7 (HXA409E) Bristol Lodekka FLF, ex bus FRD209
L6, later 1049 (WXA949M) Leyland Leopard, ex bus FPE49
L10, later 1044 (TXA114K) Leyland Leopard, ex bus FPE14
L11, later 1051 (XXA851M) Leyland Leopard, ex bus FPE51
L12, later 1054 (XXA854M) Leyland Leopard, ex bus FPE54
1059 (XXA859M) Leyland Leopard, ex bus FPE59
1030 (Q600NST) AEC Matador, ex Highland Scottish

Alexander (Midland)/Midland Scottish
Former Alexander L159, L163, L178-181, L183, L193 and L199, which became ML159 etc. Additions were:

ML220 (WG9321) Leyland Tiger TS8Sp, ex bus MP631 (might just have been a driver trainer?)
ML230 (BMS691) Leyland Tiger PS1, ex bus MPA64 (might just have been a driver trainer?)
ML237 (AG8235) Leyland Titan TD2, ex Carmichael, Glenboig in 1966 (laving previously been a Western SMT tow wagon). (sold 1968)
ML239 (CRN834) Leyland Titan PD2, ex bus
ML240 (CCK368) Leyland Titan PD2, ex bus MRB281
ML241 (unknown, later Q414JCC after disposal) AEC Matador
ML242 (CCK346) Leyland Titan PD2, ex bus MRB280
ML244 (GM5873) Leyland Titan PD2, ex bus Central SMT L473
ML245 (GM5875) Leyland Titan PD2, ex bus Central SMT L475
ML259 (DWG910) Leyland Titan PD2, ex bus MRB154
ML260 (DWG911) Leyland Titan PD2, ex bus MRB155
ML301 (AMS295B) Leyland Leopard, ex bus MPE29 (to Kelvin Scottish 1985)
ML302 (DMS330C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus MPE45 (to Midland Scottish 1985)
ML303 (DMS367C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus MPE81 (to Kelvin Scottish 1985)
ML304 (DMS337C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus MPE51 (to Kelvin Scottish 1985)
ML305 (DMS348C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus MPE62 (to Midland Scottish 1985)
ML309 (DMS359C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus MPE73 (to Kelvin Scottish 1985)
ML310 (DMS368C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus MPE82 (to Strathtay Scottish 1985)
ML323 (AMS513K) Leyland Leopard, ex bus MPE113 (to Kelvin Scottish 1985)

Alexander (Northern)/Northern Scottish
Former Alexander L127, L184 and L205, which became NL127 etc. Subsequent additions included numerous withdrawn Albion Vikings fitted with drawbars for use as towing vehicles, and the following:
NTV1 (DMS340C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus Alexander (Midland) MPE54 (to Strathtay Scottish 1985)
NTV2 (DMS325C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus Alexander (Midland) MPE40 (to Northern Scottish 1985)
NTV1 (HGM431E) Leyland Leopard, ex Central Scottish in 1988
NTV5 (CYM111V) Leyland Marathon

Kelvin Scottish
BGM39 and CSG41C as detailed above (unnumbered/unused)
AMS295B, DMS337C, DMS359C, DMS367C and AMS513K as detailed above. These initially retained Midland style numbers L301 etc., but there was subsequent renumbering (I think to S970-S974).

Lowland Scottish
RV1/1006 (Q206XSC) AEC Matador, ex Scottish Omnibuses
1009 (GKS559Y) Bedford TK lorry
1010 (BJV860L) Guy Big J recovery, ex ?
1055 (Q155XSC) Ford Transcontinental recovery, ex Glass, Haddington in 1991

Strathtay Scottish
unknown (DMS340C) Leyland Leopard, ex Alexander (Northern)
unknown (DMS368C, later Q739PES) Leyland Leopard, ex Alexander (Midland)
SRV3 (FYS8) AEC Matador, ex Strathclyde PTE
unknown (Q684PES) AEC Matador, ex Western SMT W7012 (possibly via Clydeside Scottish)

Western SMT/Western Scottish
Converted 1943-44:
1 (AG8242) Leyland Titan TD2, ex bus
2 (AG8233) Leyland Titan TD2, ex bus
3 (AG8237) Leyland Titan TD2, ex bus
4 (AG8235) Leyland Titan TD2, ex bus (sold to Carmichael, Glenboig, thence Alexander (Midland))
13 (GK434) Leyland Tiger TS3, ex bus

Converted 1956-58:
W22, later W7022 (VS4322) Guy Arab II, ex bus Y709
W24, later W7024 (ASD401) Guy Arab II, ex bus Y197
W25, later W7025 (ASD407) Guy Arab II, ex bus Y200
W26, later W7026 (ASD711) Guy Arab II, ex bus Y237
W27, later W7027 (ASD95) Guy Arab II, ex bus Y203
W30, later W7030 (GYL382) Guy Arab II, ex bus Y919
W31, later W7031 (GYL306) Guy Arab II, ex bus Y1025
W35, later W7035 (ASD410) Guy Arab II, ex bus Y222
W37, later W7037 (ASD702) Guy Arab II, ex bus Y229

Converted 1968
W7045 (XS6416) Leyland Titan PD2. ex bus D2164

Converted mid 1970s
W7022 (JSD940) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus B1304
W7024 (JSD933) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus B1297
W7025 (MCS763) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus B1474
W7027 (LCS345) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus B1411
W7030 (HSD31) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus B1243
W7031 (JSD927) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus B1291
W7035 (JSD955) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus B1319
W7037 (GCS256) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus B1170
W7045 (GCS255) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus B1169
W7060 (OCS70) Bristol Lodekka LD, ex bus B1566

Converted early 1980s:
W7022 (CAG450C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L2035 (to Clydeside Scottish 1985)
W7024 (CAG444C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L2029 (to Western Scottish 1985)
W7025 (KCS152F) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L2181 (to Clydeside Scottish 1985)
W7027 (CAG456C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L2041 (to Cydeside Scottish 1985)
W7030 (KCS156F) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L2186 (to Western Scottish 1985)
W7031 (OAG539H) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L2235 (to Western Scottish 1985)
W7035 (OAG535H) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L2231 (to Western Scottish 1985)
W7037 (KCS165F) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L2195 (to Cydeside Scottish 1985)
W7045 (CAG438C) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L2023 (to Western Scottish 1985)
W7060 (KCS159F) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L2189 (to Cydeside Scottish 1985)
W7065 (VCS391 / EDS486A) Leyland Leopard, ex bus L1837 (to Western Scottish 1985)

heavy recovery vehicles:
W7012 (later Q684PES after sale) AEC Matador (to Strathtay Scottish, possibly via Clydeside)
W7014 (Q138RDS) AEC Matador (to Western Scottish 1985)
W7015 (Q137RDS) AEC Militant (to Western Scottish 1985)
W7051 (Q166RDS) AEC Matador (to Clydeside Scottish 1985)

Later the survivors were renumbered in W10xx series, to which added:
W1090-1095 (Q166RDS, Q165RDS, Q163RDS, Q162RDS, TEW673S and UJT295V) all ex Clydeside Scottish in 1988, and
W1096 (RBE312S) ERF

Clydeside Scottish
W7012 (later Q684PES after sale) AEC Matador (to Strathtay Scottish, may have gone direct from Western?)
W7022, later W2 (CAG450C / Q165RDS) Leyland Leopard, ex Western SMT (to Western 1988)
W7025, later W3 (KCS152F) Leyland Leopard, ex Western SMT
W7027, later W4 (CAG456C / Q163RDS) Leyland Leopard, ex Western SMT (to Western 1988)
W7037, later W6 (KCS165F / Q164RDS) Leyland Leopard, ex Western SMT
W7051, later W1 (Q166RDS) AEC Matador, ex Western SMT (to Western 1988)
W7060, later W5 (KCS159F / Q162RDS) Leyland Leopard, ex Western SMT (to Western 1988)
W7 (TEW673S) ERF (to Western 1988)
W8 (UTJ295V) ERF (to Western 1988)
 
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