Scotrail Turbostars moving to Southern

[Peter Mugridge]

hmmm,loaded for me no problems.

Can you view .pdf s?

Yes, I can view .pdf format but they don't usually generate a message popping up saying I am not authorised to view the page...

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[Class377/5]

Does anyone know how reliable are turbostars are ? On the Ashford to Brighton route there always seems to be a rail replacement bus on standby at Ashford. The driver told me that the trains are always overcrowded and that passengers often prefer the coach over the train due to the severe overcrowding on it. Is this true?

There is no stand by bus at Ashford.

 

[notadriver]

There is no stand by bus at Ashford.

There was on that particular day. Okay ??!!!

 

[Class377/5]

There was on that particular day. Okay ??!!!

The general questioning on the forum was about a stand by bus being there regularly as a back up for a failure. I didn't say there never was.

Buses aren't speed on the basis of a train might fall but rather ordered afterwards. Rule of thumb with a bus is it takes min 60mins to arrive. With the Marshlink, you can have time if you know the train needs to be pulled to arrange a bus if in the right place.

 

[notadriver]

The general questioning on the forum was about a stand by bus being there regularly as a back up for a failure. I didn't say there never was.

Buses aren't speed on the basis of a train might fall but rather ordered afterwards. Rule of thumb with a bus is it takes min 60mins to arrive. With the Marshlink, you can have time if you know the train needs to be pulled to arrange a bus if in the right place.

Fair comment but obviously working in the area I know several stations where those replacement buses are all too often waiting for any scraps of work they can pick up. Ramsgate has one parked in the forecourt.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Does this say something about supply and demand in the bus and coach sector in the southeast I wonder? Anyhow thats another thread. On reliabilitty I'll be interested to see how the 170s perform down there in a very different working environment. I hope they behave and help with the problems.

 

[physics34]

Does this say something about supply and demand in the bus and coach sector in the southeast I wonder? Anyhow thats another thread. On reliabilitty I'll be interested to see how the 170s perform down there in a very different working environment. I hope they behave and help with the problems.

i dont know if you are saying they will be working harder in the south? THe uckfield line certainly is hilly but i dont know that compares with the work they currently do.

They will be working hard though as southerns daily requirement will be high.

 

[SprinterMan]

Yes, I can view .pdf format but they don't usually generate a message popping up saying I am not authorised to view the page...

Here it is for you

Out of interest, which browser do you use?

Adam

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Here it is for you

Out of interest, which browser do you use?

Adam

I tried it on both IE and Chrome....

The download version works, thank you.

 

[Scotrail84]

170 423 and 424 have had their das units removed. Could be two that are moving south.

I've also heard that the 2nd evening loco haul set will return on a temporary basis from April 1st for 6 weeks then after the May timetable change both the morning and evening loco haul services will return to compensate for the loss of the turbos.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

170 423 and 424 have had their das units removed. Could be two that are moving south.

I've also heard that the 2nd evening loco haul set will return on a temporary basis from April 1st for 6 weeks then after the May timetable change both the morning and evening loco haul services will return to compensate for the loss of the turbos.

What is a "das" unit?

 

[SkinnyDave]

What is a "das" unit?

Driver Advisory System

 

[RobShipway]

I cannot see how the taking out of the DAS units on a couple of Class 170's shows that they are moving south as I believe Southern also uses similar DAS units to thos already installed?

 

[physics34]

170 423 and 424 have had their das units removed. Could be two that are moving south.

I've also heard that the 2nd evening loco haul set will return on a temporary basis from April 1st for 6 weeks then after the May timetable change both the morning and evening loco haul services will return to compensate for the loss of the turbos.

Well the 4 units coming to southern will be from 170 416 - 424, the Eversholt units, so you could be right.

On that subject, the DAS units installed in southerns 171s havent gone beyond the trial stage..... maybe due to an article in a railway safety mag saying that DAS is a cab distraction (which it is).

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I suppose these are going to be renumbered before they re-appear down here? ( Need a photo of 424 and two others in that batch and no immediate opportunity to go to Scotland! )

 

[Techniquest]

Don't they need new couplers to work with the 171s? If so renumbering is guaranteed. No doubt it'll happen to TPX's 170s when they head south too...

 

[Scotrail84]

I cannot see how the taking out of the DAS units on a couple of Class 170's shows that they are moving south as I believe Southern also uses similar DAS units to thos already installed?

They are part of the batch to be sent South that's how.
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I suppose these are going to be renumbered before they re-appear down here? ( Need a photo of 424 and two others in that batch and no immediate opportunity to go to Scotland! )

What set numbers?

 

[Class 170101]

No doubt it'll happen to TPX's 170s when they head south too...

Guaranteed to happen I believe its already been said they will become 168/3s.

 

[physics34]

Don't they need new couplers to work with the 171s? If so renumbering is guaranteed. No doubt it'll happen to TPX's 170s when they head south too...

yep they will need dellners.

They will also be getting refurbished but to what extreme we dont know.

Also still the rumour going around that the 4 units will be divided to make 2 x 2 car and 2 x 4 car but that hasnt been confirmed from any source as far as i can find.

 

[scotraildriver]

Already reported that 421 - 424 are the units leaving so probably right.

 

[Scotrail84]

Abellio seemingly don't want das or the simulators so the removal of das may not be that significant but I'm guessing these are the units to head south.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

What set numbers?

170 419
170 421
170 424

Two of which appear to be in the immediate batch!

( The only other Scottish 170s I need for a photo are all Porterbrook ones; 403/10/25/7/55 )

 

[overthewater]

I'm still rather complexed as to why people are somewhat daft enought to believe alot of the 170s are dissappearing. Do people want full scale riots?

I would put money on the Class 318 being taken out of service first, and hopeful 156.

 

[ADRboy]

Abellio seemingly don't want das or the simulators so the removal of das may not be that significant but I'm guessing these are the units to head south.

DAS & Simulators both v much in the plans as far as I know.

 

[SC318250]

I would put money on the Class 318 being taken out of service first, and hopeful 156.

I think the 318s will be here for another 15 years

 

[Scotrail84]

170 419
170 421
170 424

Two of which appear to be in the immediate batch!

( The only other Scottish 170s I need for a photo are all Porterbrook ones; 403/10/25/7/55 )

Can't help you with those unfortunately.

 

[SprinterJedi]

If you look at the new Franchise Agreement, from Dec 18, Scotrail will operate 21 x 170s, 40 x 158s, 38 x 156. Obviously as well as HSTs, 3xx etc.

 

[D6975]

If you look at the new Franchise Agreement, from Dec 18, Scotrail will operate 21 x 170s, 40 x 158s, 38 x 156. Obviously as well as HSTs, 3xx etc.

They aren't getting HSTs that soon.
IEPs have to enter service before Scotrail get HSTs and they're still some way off.
When HSTs do arrive, they'll give up the rest of the 170s.

 

[ADRboy]

They aren't getting HSTs that soon.
IEPs have to enter service before Scotrail get HSTs and they're still some way off.
When HSTs do arrive, they'll give up the rest of the 170s.

There's 21 170's being kept until 2025.

27 HST sets introduced from Summer 2018 with all in by Dec 2018. 2 sets increased to 6 cars in 2022.

 

[MidlandMainlie]

There's 21 170's being kept until 2025.

27 HST sets introduced from Summer 2018 with all in by Dec 2018. 2 sets increased to 6 cars in 2022.

Will the 21 170's mostly be used on the Fife Circle services?