ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

[hexagon789]

Yes it is, not sure on the times but I believe it worked the 1330 EDB - ABD

If it worked that service then I would assume it's running on its normal diagram, the 1330 being one of the services it's normally booked to run.

 

[JP66725]

1A65 1330 Edinburgh - Inverurie.??? If it’s worked that then it should be on 1B43 1638 back to Edinburgh

Anyone able to confirm? Fancy a wee bash later

 

[hexagon789]

1A65 1330 Edinburgh - Inverurie.??? If it’s worked that then it should be on 1B43 1638 back to Edinburgh

Anyone able to confirm? Fancy a wee bash later

Should be:

2A64 1619 Aberdeen-Dyce followed by
1B43 1639 Dyce-Edinburgh

 

[GrimShady]

What's the estimate now for the next set? Even at 3 months a set, which is wishful thinking, it will take years!

 

[hexagon789]

What's the estimate now for the next set? Even at 3 months a set, which is wishful thinking, it will take years!

Don't know when the next one will be finished, but I'm sure it's been said no more will enter service until the December timetable change.

 

[kje7812]

Should be:

2A64 1619 Aberdeen-Dyce followed by
1B43 1639 Dyce-Edinburgh

Surely that's just Monday to Friday
@Highlandspring posted previously that Saturdays it does:
1B35 1404 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A81 1738 Edinburgh - Aberdeen

 

[hexagon789]

Surely that's just Monday to Friday
@Highlandspring posted previously that Saturdays it does:
1B35 1404 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A81 1738 Edinburgh - Aberdeen

Forgive me, I completely forgot today is Saturday!

 

[snakeeyes]

This is Clayhills depot next to Aberdeen station, Scotrail HST with GWR carriages, is this for service or driver training?

 

[JP66725]

Forgive me, I completely forgot today is Saturday!

1B35 was a 170 today, 1A81 allox the same unit I hear. Presume down to last nights failure

.....Wondering if I should go now for a bash

 

[hexagon789]

1B35 was a 170 today, 1A81 allox the same unit I hear. Presume down to last nights failure

.....Wondering if I should go now for a bash

I would assume you won't get an HST if you do.

 

[Indigo Soup]

Discussing the upcoming HSTs with dear old mother (a regular user of the Inverness l-Aberdeen and Highland lines) today. Her comment was 'They had those years ago, I don't know why they ever withdrew them.'

I can only think she's thinking of the Class 47-hauled stock, as she doesn't know one train from another. Does show that 'normal' people appreciate differences in quality though.

Honourable father, meanwhile, just ranted about English cast-offs.

 

[Stoney1979]

At risk of repeating myself, is there/what is the best objective method of measuring the success, or otherwise, of the HSTs intro?

I have posted this point earlier but either have had no responses, or been punted to another threat.

However, at risk of one or both happening again the point is …. how can the overall performance of the new SR HSTs be objectively measured? Timeliness and reliability are obviously key factors - as long as they are compared against current 170/158 timeliness and reliability. But over how long a period, and is the data reliable anyway?

As for passenger comfort and experience, who knows how that can be measured? other than "it's better/worse than it was" or more-bums-on-seats anecdotal and circumstantial findings.

I would not want to see any initial HST failures being over-egged, but at the same time it's important that if there are "real" problems (as compared to the 170/158s) then they are evidenced, highlighted and addressed.

For SR to say we are heading for "the best railway Scotland has ever had" is all very well, but what does that actually mean - and how are they going to prove it?

 

[DuncanS]

Scotrail have announced that the first run breakdown in Fife was caused by the driver tooting the horn too much, this caused an air leak that knocked out some systems.

 

[scotraildriver]

Sounding the horn, even continuously, should not cause an air leak or a train to break down.

 

[chuff chuff]

I hear there was a problem with the horn which was exacerbated by the fitter causing an air leak which then had to be repaired.

 

[najaB]

Sounding the horn, even continuously, should not cause an air leak or a train to break down.

True. Unless it breaks the horn.

 

[scotraildriver]

No one at Scotrail should be spouting this guff to the Scotsman. The driver sounded the horn in accordance with whistle boards and a fault occurred. I hope ASLEF are all over this as this isn't on.

 

[156443]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...wn-after-driver-honks-horn-too-much-1-4817846

Here’s an article about it

 

[Wst71Pa2]

Dangerous statement, either ScotRail or Scotsman are lying

 

[Mordac]

Dangerous statement, either ScotRail or Scotsman are lying

They can even both be lying!

 

[43096]

just wondering if the reliability issues are because of, or despite, the mods at Brush?

Despite. The work at Brush is predominantly bodywork and corrosion condition work, plus the addition of traction/brake interlock to work with the modified coaches.

 

[jingsmonty]

This is Clayhills depot next to Aberdeen station, Scotrail HST with GWR carriages, is this for service or driver training?

I'd imagine this was the start of the HST sets being marshalled for entering service in December - however, may possibly be for staff training on slam doors

 

[jingsmonty]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...wn-after-driver-honks-horn-too-much-1-4817846

Here’s an article about it

As per usual, The Scotsman spouti g a load of rubbish. The explanation that the horn valve stuck open sounds correct to me - I can't imagine that the 'sounding the horn too much' is in any way plausible.

If I was the driver concerned, I'd be tempted to take this further & I'd definetly be absolutely livid about my professional competence being called into question!!

 

[connormill]

I'd imagine this was the start of the HST sets being marshalled for entering service in December - however, may possibly be for staff training on slam doors

I'd suspect the former as the same is happening at the depot north of Glasgow Queen Street (can't remember name)

2 x 4 Car Slam Door HST's sitting there too,

 

[Mag_seven]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...wn-after-driver-honks-horn-too-much-1-4817846

Here’s an article about it

Some text from the article to comply with the forum rules on quotes:

It’s being reported that the first of ScotRail’s refurbished InterCity 125 trains broke down because the driver honked the train’s horn too much. The service was heading from Aberdeen to Edinburgh when the driver reportedly pressed the air horn for too long, which created an air leak.

As per usual, The Scotsman spouting a load of rubbish.

"The Hootsman" used to be quite a good paper - now it seems to be more of a tabloid rather than a serious one.

 

[Highland37]

The Scotsman is about as Scottish as Ben Fogle and trying to be as conservative as it can. At the heart of conservatism is a resistance to change so any changes are viewed as bad.

Clearly a 40 year old train will not be as reliable as a newer one, all things being equal. But the biggest story here is astounding slowness of Wabtec.

 

[scotraildriver]

An internal e-mail has been released categorically stating the fault was nothing to do with the driver, and no such rubbish had been released to the press.

 

[HaggisBotherer]

either ScotRail or Scotsman are lying

I know which I suspect to be the case. Clue: A source that's about as reliable as the Daily Record.

 

[jingsmonty]

An internal e-mail has been released categorically stating the fault was nothing to do with the driver, and no such rubbish had been released to the press.

Aye, I read that on Yammer as well...

 

[hexagon789]

I'd suspect the former as the same is happening at the depot north of Glasgow Queen Street (can't remember name)

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