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Today marks the 40th birthday since the creation of the ScotRail brand. They've released a video to celebrate the milestone.

While there's plenty that can be done to improve ScotRail, I think it's fair to say under it's various guises and ownership over the years, the network in Scotland is in a much better state than it was 40 years ago.

Happy birthday ScotRail. :)

We’re celebrating our 40th anniversary, marking four decades of serving Scotland’s railways. From the UK’s most northerly station of Thurso, all the way down to Gretna Green in the Borders, our aim is to help you get from A to B and our team of colleagues work hard, day-in-day-out, to make that happen.
To mark the occasion, here is exclusive footage of some of the nation’s most iconic rail bridges illuminated with stories of our customers and colleagues from over the years.

Featuring the Forth Bridge, New Clyde Bridge, Tay Bridge and Aberdeen’s River Dee Bridge, the emotive film also includes historic clips from the past four decades to show the progress and transformation since 1983.

From football fans and party goers to morning commuters, we're celebrating the passengers and staff members who make up Scotland’s railway. We hope you enjoy, and be sure to watch with sound on!

When ScotRail was introduced on 22 September 1983, it was as a result of an organisational restructure of British Rail. Twenty-five years later, we added the iconic Saltire into our logo in celebration of our journey to date, and that same logo now adorns our fleet of 345 trains, which travel more than 80,000 miles every day.

ScotRail is proud to have welcomed 81 new or reopened stations into the network. Auchinleck and Kilmaurs were first to join us in 1984, and we worked alongside Network Rail to open Inverness Airport Station in January this year, bringing our total number of stations across Scotland to 359.

 
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Inclined to agree - but I stop short at PR-led self congratulation which this clearly is. It conveniently overlooks the Abellio debacles and the niceties of bringing franchises in after ‘issues’ - so we’ve now got an OLR, and a life expired ticketing system that doesn’t match the rest of the country - indeed some card readers were having their 5th birthday before the first smartcards were issues, and they’ll be needing replacement soon anyway!
 

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Was the ScotRail brand name the idea of Chris Green?
The 'Scotrail' brand (note originally a lowercase 'r') was first used in 1982, on the Scottish Region's May 1982 timetable. Formal use of the name for internal services within Scotland instead of BR Scottish Region was from September 1983.

I didn't think Chris Green became ScotRail manager until during 1984?
 

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You'd think they might have the decency to put on some kind of special offer to mark the anniversary, but even though I'm on their mailing list, the only email I've had was one of self- congratulatory PR spin. Why not have something like a weekend of reducing tickets to what they cost 40 years ago, for example?
 

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Was the ScotRail brand name the idea of Chris Green?
He has always been credited with creating the brand. Whether he did this alone on his kitchen table, in a brainstorming session with his closest colleagues or was one of several options put before him by design consultants I have no idea.

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The 'Scotrail' brand (note originally a lowercase 'r') was first used in 1982, on the Scottish Region's May 1982 timetable. Formal use of the name for internal services within Scotland instead of BR Scottish Region was from September 1983.

I didn't think Chris Green became ScotRail manager until during 1984?
Promoted to General Manager in 1984 but previously serving as Deputy General Manager and initially as Chief Operating Manager from 1979.
 
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He has always been credited with creating the brand. Whether he did this alone on his kitchen table, in a brainstorming session with his closest colleagues or was one of several options put before him by design consultants I have no idea.
Having checked some dates and sources, it appears that must be wrong.

Chris Green took over as manager of Scotrail (not BR Scottish Region) in April 1984, when the brand had already been adopted. As I mentioned above, the appearance of the actual term predated use as a brand name by some 16 months:

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He was, but I'm not sure he would've necessarily been in the right position to suggest the name. I could easily be wrong.
If he had been it would have been mentioned in the book by Valerie Stewart and Vivian Chadwick - Changing Trains: Messages for Management from the ScotRail Challenge. The GM immediately prior to Chris Green, Leslie Soane was also from a Civil Engineering background hence Green would be organising all the good stuff. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12206429.leslie-soane/ (pasted below in case link not accessible to some readers)

LESLIE J SOANE was appointed general manager of British Rail, Scotland, and a member of the BR (Scottish) Board in January 1977, having held a number of senior managerial positions in the BR Eastern, London, Midland, and Western Regions.

The benefits of his wide experience were soon realised by his active participation and valuable contributions on all matters, political and business, which would enhance the reputation and performance of the transport infrastructure in Scotland. During his six years in Scotland, Leslie served as a member of the Scottish Economic Planning Board (Scottish Office), the Scottish Council Development and Industry, and as a council member of the CBI Scotland. Other business interests included a close working relationship with the Scottish Tourist Board, the Highlands and Islands Investment Board, and the Chartered Institute of Transport on all of which he served either as a member or as chairman of a

number of committees.

One of the highlights of his achievements in Scotland was the re-opening in 1979 of the defunct and derelict former Glasgow

Central Railway as the fully

modernised electric train service, the Argyle Line. In addition to the enormity of this project in the rebuilding of almost a complete underground disused railway, delicate negotiations had to be undertaken with the financial sponsors, Strathclyde PTE. Leslie's abilities as a manager and his qualities in being able to harmonise and settle the differing priorities and objectives were acknowledged by all the interested parties when these complex discussions were under way. Leslie was liked and respected by all participants for the manner in which he presented the BR case while retaining an appreciation of the sometimes conflicting views of others.

The importance and success of the Argyle Line project was recognised when the Queen visited Glasgow in 1979, and carried out the formal opening of the route. Leslie was presented to Her Majesty on her arrival at Argyle Street Station, where the official ceremony was carried out, after which the BR/Strathclyde PTE representative joined Her Majesty on a special train to Motherwell.

Further recognition of the importance of the concept and inauguration of the new railway route in Glasgow was given in 1980 when BR Scotland received the prestigious Business and Industry Award.

Leslie also held the post of chairman of Sealink (Scotland), the then BR-owned shipping service between Stranraer and Larne. Here again his management skills and fair-mindedness came to the fore, resolving problems which arose in operating a shipping/rail service. He was always held in high esteem by the business and transport sections of the communities in Northern Ireland and in South-west Scotland. He brought about many improvements in the shipping service, the Princess route, including the opening of a two tier roll-on, roll-off ramp at Stranraer harbour and the introduction on the route of the then new ship Galloway Princess, named by his wife, Joan, at a ceremony in Belfast.

Leslie Soane cared a great deal about people, and during his six years in Scotland he regularly

visited every railway line and depot to enable him to keep in contact with his staff at all levels. He would always take action to resolve any problem brought to his notice.

A civil engineer by profession, Leslie took a quiet pride in the fact that, when serving as a chief civil engineer during the early 1970s, in the then Western region of BR, he was the 13th successor in direct line of one of the greatest railway engineers of all time, Isambard Kingdom Brunel.

He was in the Irish Guards towards the end of the Second World War, and then transferred to the Royal Engineers, with whom he was involved in bomb disposal work. He retained his links with the Services, eventually holding the rank of colonel in the

Royal Engineers (Transportation) Railway Reserve.

In 1983 Leslie was brought back to BR headquarters in London by the then chairman of BR, Sir Robert B Reid, to carry out a detailed study of the overall BR management structure. This study was successfully concluded in 1985 and Leslie then left BR.

Under the chairmanship of Sir William McAlpine Bt, he established, and became executive director of, the Railway Heritage Trust. This is an independent company sponsored by BR (and now Railtrack and Rail Property Ltd) which assists with the conservation and enhancement of listed buildings and structures owned by both sponsors.
 
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If he had been it would have been mentioned in the book by Valerie Stewart and Vivian Chadwick - Changing Trains: Messages for Management from the ScotRail Challenge. The GM immediately prior to Chris Green, Leslie Soane was also from a Civil Engineering background hence Green would be organising all the good stuff. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12206429.leslie-soane/ (pasted below in case link not accessible to some readers)

LESLIE J SOANE was appointed general manager of British Rail, Scotland, and a member of the BR (Scottish) Board in January 1977, having held a number of senior managerial positions in the BR Eastern, London, Midland, and Western Regions.

The benefits of his wide experience were soon realised by his active participation and valuable contributions on all matters, political and business, which would enhance the reputation and performance of the transport infrastructure in Scotland. During his six years in Scotland, Leslie served as a member of the Scottish Economic Planning Board (Scottish Office), the Scottish Council Development and Industry, and as a council member of the CBI Scotland. Other business interests included a close working relationship with the Scottish Tourist Board, the Highlands and Islands Investment Board, and the Chartered Institute of Transport on all of which he served either as a member or as chairman of a

number of committees.

One of the highlights of his achievements in Scotland was the re-opening in 1979 of the defunct and derelict former Glasgow

Central Railway as the fully

modernised electric train service, the Argyle Line. In addition to the enormity of this project in the rebuilding of almost a complete underground disused railway, delicate negotiations had to be undertaken with the financial sponsors, Strathclyde PTE. Leslie's abilities as a manager and his qualities in being able to harmonise and settle the differing priorities and objectives were acknowledged by all the interested parties when these complex discussions were under way. Leslie was liked and respected by all participants for the manner in which he presented the BR case while retaining an appreciation of the sometimes conflicting views of others.

The importance and success of the Argyle Line project was recognised when the Queen visited Glasgow in 1979, and carried out the formal opening of the route. Leslie was presented to Her Majesty on her arrival at Argyle Street Station, where the official ceremony was carried out, after which the BR/Strathclyde PTE representative joined Her Majesty on a special train to Motherwell.

Further recognition of the importance of the concept and inauguration of the new railway route in Glasgow was given in 1980 when BR Scotland received the prestigious Business and Industry Award.

Leslie also held the post of chairman of Sealink (Scotland), the then BR-owned shipping service between Stranraer and Larne. Here again his management skills and fair-mindedness came to the fore, resolving problems which arose in operating a shipping/rail service. He was always held in high esteem by the business and transport sections of the communities in Northern Ireland and in South-west Scotland. He brought about many improvements in the shipping service, the Princess route, including the opening of a two tier roll-on, roll-off ramp at Stranraer harbour and the introduction on the route of the then new ship Galloway Princess, named by his wife, Joan, at a ceremony in Belfast.

Leslie Soane cared a great deal about people, and during his six years in Scotland he regularly

visited every railway line and depot to enable him to keep in contact with his staff at all levels. He would always take action to resolve any problem brought to his notice.

A civil engineer by profession, Leslie took a quiet pride in the fact that, when serving as a chief civil engineer during the early 1970s, in the then Western region of BR, he was the 13th successor in direct line of one of the greatest railway engineers of all time, Isambard Kingdom Brunel.

He was in the Irish Guards towards the end of the Second World War, and then transferred to the Royal Engineers, with whom he was involved in bomb disposal work. He retained his links with the Services, eventually holding the rank of colonel in the

Royal Engineers (Transportation) Railway Reserve.

In 1983 Leslie was brought back to BR headquarters in London by the then chairman of BR, Sir Robert B Reid, to carry out a detailed study of the overall BR management structure. This study was successfully concluded in 1985 and Leslie then left BR.

Under the chairmanship of Sir William McAlpine Bt, he established, and became executive director of, the Railway Heritage Trust. This is an independent company sponsored by BR (and now Railtrack and Rail Property Ltd) which assists with the conservation and enhancement of listed buildings and structures owned by both sponsors.

What an amazing man.

Well deserving to be in the cadre of the great railway managers.
 

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On my commute I'm not convinced the service is better than it was 40 years ago. I don't recall routinely having to stand or turning up more than once a week to a train with 3 or 4 instead of the expected 6 carriages.
 

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On my commute I'm not convinced the service is better than it was 40 years ago. I don't recall routinely having to stand or turning up more than once a week to a train with 3 or 4 instead of the expected 6 carriages.
Yep and pretty sure passengers weren’t having to stand between Inverness and the central belt due to the train being full and standing 40 years ago. Also not forgetting the numerous passengers who are unable to board the train at intermediate stations due to it being crush loaded. We’ve gone backwards not forwards. Not an awful lot to be singing from the rooftops about IMO.
 

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Certainly from when I was a very regular user of the Edinburgh-Glasgow 2x27 push-pull in the 1970s, which somehow got all sorts of mentions in the enthusiast press for unreliability, it was city-to-city faster than nowadays, still pretty much turn-up-and-go, and never cancelled on me. Just once, when a push-pull was not available, a dmu was substituted. And even in the peaks, I never had to stand. From a slightly informed viewpoint one could see they were trying.

More recent experiences, just a few, broke all of these. Finding a full length train arrive at Glasgow at 1815, half then being sent off to sidings for the night, the 1830 departure (first off-peak tickets are valid on I think) then being just one grossly overcrowded set, was a notably poor example.
 

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You'd think they might have the decency to put on some kind of special offer to mark the anniversary, but even though I'm on their mailing list, the only email I've had was one of self- congratulatory PR spin. Why not have something like a weekend of reducing tickets to what they cost 40 years ago, for example?
What, making Off-Peak tickets valid all day nit enough for you? ;) :lol:
 

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Certainly from when I was a very regular user of the Edinburgh-Glasgow 2x27 push-pull in the 1970s, which somehow got all sorts of mentions in the enthusiast press for unreliability, it was city-to-city faster than nowadays, still pretty much turn-up-and-go, and never cancelled on me. Just once, when a push-pull was not available, a dmu was substituted. And even in the peaks, I never had to stand. From a slightly informed viewpoint one could see they were trying.

More recent experiences, just a few, broke all of these. Finding a full length train arrive at Glasgow at 1815, half then being sent off to sidings for the night, the 1830 departure (first off-peak tickets are valid on I think) then being just one grossly overcrowded set, was a notably poor example.
I agree to a point but in the 70s E&G was pretty much an inter city service. There was very little commuting between the two cities. The service was 1/2 hourly with the only stop being falkirk high. Roll on 50 years the service is a completely different beast. I would hazard the guess that today most of the passengers now are commuters from the intermediate stations
 

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I agree to a point but in the 70s E&G was pretty much an inter city service. There was very little commuting between the two cities. The service was 1/2 hourly with the only stop being Falkirk high. Roll on 50 years the service is a completely different beast. I would hazard the guess that today most of the passengers now are commuters from the intermediate stations
I beg to differ. There was a very considerable daily commuting back and forth each day at that time, along with considerable general business travel between the two, at a time when the office and commercial areas of the two cities, and effectively of Scotland, were much more concentrated in the two centres than now. There was even a midday business peak of people doing morning meetings in one city and afternoons in the other. Some clever ticketing bargains as well - I recall an "evening return", start after 1830, was just 69p, which I, along with many others, made good use of. BR staff in Scotland were also divided between offices in the two, and went back and forth. BR people did not move house when they transferred from one office to the other, and the first class coach was an effective club for them.

Intermediate points were handled by separate half-hourly dmu stoppers to both cities.

Even a Ms Taunton of the period ( :) ) lived in Falkirk but was at university in Edinburgh, and a daily traveller.

Yes, it was InterCity. The carriage brandings said so.
 

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Bring back First Scotrail - particularly Bargain Berths on the Sleepers and £1 Club 50 Tickets :E
 

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the then BR-owned shipping service between Stranraer and Larne.

A bit OT, but I think it's a shame that this service no longer exists. Stranraer is a far more convenient port than Cairnryan, and the lack of a rail-sea-rail connection is really lamentable.
 

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As I recall, Sealink bristled at P&O’s ‘shortest crossing’ and faster times from Cairnryan to Larne. The HSS being faster managed to address this slightly, but Stranraer Harbour AIUI had far more vehicular traffic than train - the journey time by train was always a concern, so when the HSS catamaran moved on and standard ships returned, Co-locating with P&O at Cairnryan made eminent sense, and now passengers join the bus at Ayr and get a faster transit time to the new port than if they sat on the train. There was very little innovation by BR on this route as Sealink, and Harbour station was a disgrace (and still is).

Don’t forget Sealink only moved from Larne to Belfast because of HSS and that was because of Stena’s investment.
 

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The problem with ScotRail now compared to back then is there’s been minimal investment in existing infrastructure to keep up with rising demand. Passenger numbers will be on a different planet compared to the early 1980s, but much of the country still trundles along with much the same infrastructure. It’s no wonder they can’t cope with large passenger volumes at times. Even if ScotRail had additional rolling stock, there would be nowhere for it to go.

And as for the likes of Stranraer, it’s clear that this option as a way of travelling to Ireland was pretty much given up on with the advent of Easyjet flights from Glasgow to Belfast.
 

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The problem with ScotRail now compared to back then is there’s been minimal investment in existing infrastructure to keep up with rising demand.

As a matter of interest, what investment in existing infrastructure should there have been?

There have been multiple electrification projects, several lines re-opened, double-tracking Annan/Dumfries, part of Barrhead/Kilmarnock and most of Aberdeen/Inverurie, and smaller schemes such as eliminating single lead junctions such as Busby and Midcalder Jcs. Also new platforms at Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Central.
 

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As a matter of interest, what investment in existing infrastructure should there have been?

There have been multiple electrification projects, several lines re-opened, double-tracking Annan/Dumfries, part of Barrhead/Kilmarnock and most of Aberdeen/Inverurie, and smaller schemes such as eliminating single lead junctions such as Busby and Midcalder Jcs. Also new platforms at Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Central.
Removal of absolute block signalling in main lines to Inverness and Aberdeen, modernised stabling facilities in Aberdeen and Inverness, longer platforms. In addition, Borders line should’ve been electrified from newly built with extended or complete double tracking. Just a few examples.
 
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