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Sat 16th July, a Tilt Odyssey

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Hello all, now I know some have questioned my sanity with this trip, but it was planned as a birthday day out for my Dad. In the event, as a reward for good behaviour, my eldest son also joined us and at 4 years old only increased the food and drink costs.

I'd purchased all tickets that were available as advance some time ago, and the day tickets/upgrades on the day. Just to clarify, when I say on time, I will be referring to actual time keeping, not being within PPM.

We started with a sedate but swift trip on the X-City south, 06:57 Redditch-Lichfield TV service. alighting at New Street. It was as uneventful as it was efficient, on time departing and on time at New Street. This gave us 30 minute connection for the 08:03 XC New Street-Glasgow train. We popped to the concourse to buy Railways Illustrated, as it had one of my shots published. With the magazine in hand we went to platform 7a for our train.

We had a 5-car 221 unit for this journey, and sat in First ready to purchase an upgrade. The journey itself was quick, pleasant and quiet, although vibration from the engine was notably poorer than usual in certain situations. On this leg we travelled as far as Leeds where we were able to indulge in spotting all manner of demised depots, locos and list infrastructure along the way. Our arrival into Leeds was heralded with much excitement for Joshua, amazed at the sheer volume of traffic. We got in at 10:01 (1 early).

Our next planned leg was to do the 10:49 NR Leeds-Carlisle service, for which we saw a 158 waiting. So after a water stop, we purchased SDS tickets from the booking office. This was where our first deviation from plan occurred. We had plenty of time still left. and decided that as all 3 of us had yet to travel by Class 333, today would be the perfect chance on the 10:26 NR Skipton service.

We were greeted most warmly by the onboard staff, who were always in the train doing their rdvenue. The train felt spacious, the large windows afforded good views, and the speed of progress was good. The train arrived at Skipton bang on time, having been surprised to learn just how many intermediate stops there were. We were surprised to see a double 158 arrive on time for the Carlisle service, although as time went by it became obvius the capacity wasnt wasted. Despite the weather not being at best, with exception to the top of Penyghent and Mallerstang edge were wonderful, Joshua truly staggered by the rugged terrain and engineering employed to pass a railway line through it. The journey was enlivened by a coach party joining at Settle, and two volunteers from the Settle and Carlisle development company. I have reasonable knowledge of the line, but it was vastly increased with a good guide being both informative and receptive in equal measure. One particularly touching story was that of Ruswarp, a dog who's statue adorns the southbound platform at Garsdale. At Appleby the trolley gave way for a coolbag of ice-cream tubs of varying flavours, locally produced, all bar 2 of around 60 were sold, 3 to our table. Arrival at Carlisle seemed to arrive much quicker, thanks in no small part to our travelling group having been so well entertained. Firm handshakes were exchanged with both gentleman for a wonderful trip (and to think this could all have been taken off us by the Tories). The 158s had got us to Carlisle on time for our 20 minute connection.

Next up, and the driving purpose for our trip, was for my Dad to experience the 21st century travel offered by the WCML on the 13:49 VT Carlisle-Euston service. The train was delayed arriving having caught a late Saltire liveried Class 156. The first thing noticed, and by Joshua from an incredible distance, was the Alstom sticker adorning the nose of 390052. He was now expecting the Alstom liveried set, but this was just the nose sticker and name Alison Waters, after an athlete. We departed Carlisle 4 mins down and were soon hitting well into three figure speeds. Zooming through the greenery, it was easy to wish for larger windows, but it didn't spoil the journey - nor did being in coach C with easy reach to the shop. As we passed through the Lune gorge me and my Dad indulged in our favourite pass time when there - Looking out for the viaduct on the former Ingleburn line, as famously featured in the title sequence of TV series 'The train now departing'. The 5 intermediate stops came and went very swiftly, and then it was non stop Warrington-Euston. We reached Euston 4 early, the only sullying point of the trip not provided by the odour of toilets, but a gentleman doing nothing to dispelled stereotypes of his Scottish countrymen via a bottle if Whiskey. Come Rugby he was insufferable and a nuisance to all and I believe he wad greeted at London for his troubles.

The weary travellers now had ample time to grab some warm food at tea time, even if it wasn't as wholesome as a doctor may like. When finished we made our way to platform 4 for the 18:03 VT Euston-Wolverhampton service, where we found ourselves reserved in the exact same seats. Another good journey was experienced, the train was very busy, but it flew past as we got to New Street on time.

This just left an uneventful 323 to Longbridge and another to Redditch to help us escape a busy New Street ASAP. The Redditch arrived 2 minutes early, and everybody had thoroughly enjoyed themselves.

Summary: 757 miles (approx), 8 services, 5 arrived on time, 3 arrived early. Total ticket costs for two adults (bear in mind I have free XC and priv) was £84.65
 
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You experienced the WCML on a good day! There is at least 10 mins recovery time in the non-stop run from Warrington to Euston, which can be done in 1h40 given a clear run. Carlisle station is also quite nice after the recent refurb.

Did the trolley materialise into First on the XC service?
 

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Quite a variety there, good to hear both Joshua and your Dad enjoyed the trip. Curious though, does your Dad like the 390s or not?
 

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To answer questions, the trolley did also serve in first on the XC service. My Dad did enjoy the Pendo trip, but the booked table and window seating probably helped out in that respect. He did wish for larger windows, but he found the trip comfy and amazingly quick. As to the time built in, when you have a train travelling non-stop at mostly 125mph all the way it would be entirely reckless to assume it will do so under perfect circumstances with no possibility of delay. I really don't see what people's gripe is with padding. I'd sooner arrive when they say, than expect a 10min quicker journey which is frequently late.
 

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To answer questions, the trolley did also serve in first on the XC service. My Dad did enjoy the Pendo trip, but the booked table and window seating probably helped out in that respect. He did wish for larger windows, but he found the trip comfy and amazingly quick. As to the time built in, when you have a train travelling non-stop at mostly 125mph all the way it would be entirely reckless to assume it will do so under perfect circumstances with no possibility of delay. I really don't see what people's gripe is with padding. I'd sooner arrive when they say, than expect a 10min quicker journey which is frequently late.

Hear hear. What makes me laugh even more is when people suggest this is something new. It isn't at all. It was around in BR days too
 

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It's actually a fair point, padding of the arrival time is not a bad idea. London Midland do that quite well on the Birmingham to Hereford route, we arrived 5 minutes 'early' yesterday on the 1549 BHM > HFD, timetabled to arrive at 1719. Handy really in case of delays elsewhere on the route, which there was at some point in the afternoon yesterday due to a signalling fault at Bromsgrove.

Glad to hear your Dad enjoyed his trip on a 390, I suspect they are more fun charging along the WCML at full whack than they are crawling through the Midlands on Birmingham services.
 

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I think the main gripe with padding is that a train calling at multiple stations can be late at every intermediate one, but still be 'on time' at its terminus. This is little consolation (and is in fact totally meaningless) to someone alighting at an intermediate station, especially if they've missed a connection there.
 

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This is little consolation (and is in fact totally meaningless) to someone alighting at an intermediate station, especially if they've missed a connection there.

Why?

If the total delay to your journey was over x minutes, you're entitled to compensation. If you have a 5 minute connection at a station, with a minimum connection time of 5 minutes, and your train is 4 minutes late, causing you to miss your connection and wait, say, an hour for the next one, you're entitled to compensation from the delaying TOC.
 

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As Jessie J says though, it's not about the money. Well it's not just the money. Yes you'll probably get compensation in the form of a rail travel voucher, but if you're travelling on a train to somewhere you're most likely heading to somewhere for a particular thing and time. If you miss it, it's naturally going to annoy you, thus the compensation being of less value.

4SRKT raises a good point, but both sides of the argument have valid points. No one side will ever win this debate.
 

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Why?

If the total delay to your journey was over x minutes, you're entitled to compensation. If you have a 5 minute connection at a station, with a minimum connection time of 5 minutes, and your train is 4 minutes late, causing you to miss your connection and wait, say, an hour for the next one, you're entitled to compensation from the delaying TOC.

Or wait, say, 20 minutes, then you're not entitled to compensation.
As techniquest points out, it's not just about compo, which is a nuisance to collect and how many people really bother? I certainly don't.
 

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Or expect to be at least 30 minutes late, as I had in April, then thanks to padding we were 29 minutes late on arrival. Grr.

I was 32 minutes or so late on a trip in June, but couldn't be bothered to send the Delay Repay form off. Might be worth up to £6.65, but just couldn't be bothered to find a Delay Repay form. If it had been a more significant amount, I'd have made the effort.
 
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