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Full Time FT - Tigers 22 Chiefs 30

We're off to play in the LV= Cup Final again!!!!

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Well done the Chiefs! :D

I enjoyed the two Six Nations games yesterday, but today's was a bit rubbish. Next weekend will be interesting!
 

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An interesting finish to the 6N in store for next weekend.

Saints missed out on a 'home' LV= Cup Final (coincidentally it's being held at Franklin's Gardens this year) going down 20-24 to Saracens yesterday.
 

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I thought the Scots showed great promise on Saturday. The =y have put together some good patches of play in all their games, they just need to learn to cut out the errors and put more pressure on their opponents instead of themselves.

I thought they were good value for their half time lead.
 

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I thought the Scots showed great promise on Saturday. The =y have put together some good patches of play in all their games, they just need to learn to cut out the errors and put more pressure on their opponents instead of themselves.

I thought they were good value for their half time lead.

The old adage of a match of two halves certainly still is relevant in many rugger matches.
 

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So, is everyone else going for a lie down in a darkened room after that? What a day of Rugby! Just three amazing games one after the other with no room to take a breath...
 

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An amazing afternoon sat in front of the TV!

Wales were on fire in the 2nd half. Was always going to be an uphill battle for England to beat France by 26 points but they should've done it really. I bet Haskell feels a bit sick having been sent to the sin bin for a silly trip. France scored 2 tries while he was in the bin.

England really should have put more points past Scotland. That's where they really lost the championship rather than today.

Off to the LV Final tomorrow at Franklin's Gardens. Bought the tickets when Saints were doing a special offer on them in the hope that we might qualify for a 'home' final. Sadly we didn't do the business against Saracens last week so I'll be a neutral!
 
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Although England nearly won the six nations they're miles away from the top rugby nations and need a lot more work before they can compete with the best.
 

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Although England nearly won the six nations they're miles away from the top rugby nations and need a lot more work before they can compete with the best.

Quite correct, you may merely aspire to reaching Scotland's unquestionable pre-eminence :oops:
 

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Although England nearly won the six nations they're miles away from the top rugby nations and need a lot more work before they can compete with the best.
I shall add that to my scrapbook of sage remarks. Would you care to offer any sane analysis to back that up - oops, sorry, I forgot you don't go in for that.
 

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Today did show that all of the sides are capable of producing interesting, attacking, rugby.
I would much rather see games like these - with teams running with the ball, taking quick lineouts and tap-penalties, than the usual festival of long-distance kicking and repeated collapsed scrums!
 

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I shall add that to my scrapbook of sage remarks. Would you care to offer any sane analysis to back that up - oops, sorry, I forgot you don't go in for that.

From the confines of my asylum, I am unable to add further comment :p
 

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Now we have the Rugby World Cup to look forward to, hopefully there will be some great games then too.
 

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I don't think we will see a game like England -v- France again. Many high risk moves because winning the game wasn't good enough. Even scotland -v- Ireland I suspect would be much more conservative if all that was needed was to win. Although maybe getting bonus points may drive the score at all costs mentality.
 

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Actually, as entertainment value, of open free-passing rugby, with more aggregate points scored than minutes played, the England v France game was ideal. I suppose that France do not play all that many Northern Hemisphere games away from home where they score so many points and still lose.
 

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Now we have the Rugby World Cup to look forward to, hopefully there will be some great games then too.

Plenty of rugby left this season though - last years Premiership and Champions Cup produced some absolute crackers.

For sheer drama look up the last 20 minutes of Northampton V Leicester Premiership Semi Final. The Final was pretty tasty too being won in the final second of extra time.

Although maybe getting bonus points may drive the score at all costs mentality.

You can't really have bonus point in the 6 Nations because a team could win all it's matches and achieve a grand slam yett at the same time not win the championship!
 

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You can't really have bonus point in the 6 Nations because a team could win all it's matches and achieve a grand slam yett at the same time not win the championship!

Agreed, I was refering to the world cup. I feel the the fear losing a game in the world cup will produce conservative rugby. They needed to score points and wouldnt be that adventous otherwise. Some of the tries scored by Ireland / England wouldn't have got attempted otherwise. Kick to touch and take the chance in the lineout.

England must be kicking themselves for many lapses over the competition, such as last week and against Italy. Saying that if they had scored 2 more tries against Scotland last week, we may have lost yesterday so can't really look at what-ifs.
 

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I think the future looks promising for England, a lot of youngsters who if kept together and develop together I think can go on to good things.
The world cup I think is coming a year or two too early though.

France on the other hand due to not having a salary cap have less youngsters coming through, as a lot of foreign players in France as they get better salaries than elsewhere. English clubs are developing a lot of youngsters due to the salary cap meaning for every high earner they need a low earner or youngster who will be on a lesser salary.
 

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That was one heck of a day of rugby, and I'm only just recovering now.

Both England and Wales must be looking back and thinking 'what if...', sadly for Butts and the rest of Scotland a lot of that thinking might be concerned with beating Mr Cotter's team by greater margins!

Wales must also be wondering why it takes them so long to get into their stride. It's been like this for us for the last few seasons now, plus the Autumn games where exactly the same thing happens.

But all that analysis doesn't alter the fact that it was a brilliant day, and that having to score tries and build up a sizeable margin of victory brought the best out of Ireland, England and Wales.
 

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That was one heck of a day of rugby, and I'm only just recovering now.

Both England and Wales must be looking back and thinking 'what if...', sadly for Butts and the rest of Scotland a lot of that thinking might be concerned with beating Mr Cotter's team by greater margins!

Wales must also be wondering why it takes them so long to get into their stride. It's been like this for us for the last few seasons now, plus the Autumn games where exactly the same thing happens.

But all that analysis doesn't alter the fact that it was a brilliant day, and that having to score tries and build up a sizeable margin of victory brought the best out of Ireland, England and Wales.

Indeed, this part of the UK is fearing an early exit from said tournament. At least it's not to far to travel (or more probably skulk) home :cry:
 

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Scotland will get out of their group. Wales will eliminated by the might of England and Australia before your lot go home!
 

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I'm getting concerned about ANYONE beating us :cry:

Would the following result add to your current mood..

Womens Six Nations

Scotland 3...Ireland 73

Ireland ran in no less that 11 tries in this match
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At least some of the English clubs are profitable. Pro rugby is never going to be sustainable in Wales! The debacle here was a great embarassment, and was caused by the way the regions were set up in the first place. The same thing will never happen in England.

I beg your home-based knowledge on how well Pontypridd have fared this season in the Principality Building Society Premiership. This weekend, they won their 16th game from 17 league matches played by travelling to Llanelli and winning 61-13, scoring 11 tries to 2.

One worrying note was that of the total of 13 tries in total, only 3 of these were converted.
 

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It's a game they would expect to win under normal circumstances, but if they are anything like Llanelli, Cardiff will have lost a lot of players to their parent region to cover Welsh call ups for the senior side and under 20's, whereas Llandovery will have been able to pick a more settled side.

Llanelli got a real trouncing from Carmarthen Athletic recently, but were playing quite a few youths due to there being no one else available. They looked like they didn't know too much about each other and clearly hadn't played together before. Athletic, in contrast, had a very experienced team out, so a beating wasn't a big surprise, really.

Sorry to be a pedant, but it was Carmarthen Quins who beat Llanelli heavily recently.

There are two teams in Carmarthen, Quins (who are in the Premiership) and Athletic (who are in the National League). Had the Athletic beaten Llanelli by the margin that the Quins did, it would indeed have been "a bad day at the office" for the (original) Scarlets.
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The French do actually have a salary cap, but there seems to be so many ways of getting around it that it's pretty ineffective.

This is an extract from Wikipedia which attempts to explain the sitution:

"In December 2009, Ligue Nationale de Rugby (LNR), operator of the Top 14, announced it would impose a cap of €8 million, effective with the 2010–11 season. Previously, the only restrictions on team salaries were that wage bills were limited to 50% of turnover and that 10% of the salary budget had to be held in reserve. Along with the announcement of the cap, LNR also declared that the reserve requirement would be raised to 20%, with the previous limitation of 50% of turnover remaining in effect.

The new cap was slightly higher than the highest official wage bill in the 2009–10 season. Also, due to the complex nature of French club administration, clubs were seen as likely to find creative ways to skirt the cap. This was publicly admitted in 2014 by Mourad Boudjellal, owner of current Top 14 power Toulon. Boudjellal found a loophole that allowed him to set up a separate company to supplement the salary of star Jonny Wilkinson by a six-figure amount while staying under the cap.

The Top 14 salary cap was set at €9.5 million for 2012–13. For 2013–14, the cap was increased to €10 million, and in addition youth players are excluded from the cap unless their salaries are more than €50,000. The €10 million total cap will remain in place for three seasons (through 2015–16), but the threshold for exclusion of youth players may be adjusted before any of those seasons. Additionally, each club that has a member of the France national team on its roster (more specifically, one of the 30 players named by the French Rugby Federation to the so-called "elite squad") is allowed to exceed the cap by €100,000 per national team member."
 
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For those fans of the short version of the game, the Hong Kong 7s has just finished with Fiji running out winners 33-19 vs New Zealand.

Regarding the 'home' teams, congratulations to Scotland for winning the Bowl final 26-5 vs France
England got as far as the Plate Semi-Final before losing to Australia 12-7.

Wales got as far as the Bowl Semi-Final before losing 34 - 0 to Scotland.
 
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For those fans of the short version of the game, the Hong Kong 7s has just finished with Fiji running out winners 33-19 vs New Zealand.

Regarding the 'home' teams, congratulations to Scotland for winning the Bowl final 26-5 vs France

At last, some Scotland Rugby Union good news to finally bring some cheer to Butts...:D
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Aviva Premiership

Sale Sharks 23...Gloucester 6

Sale's pack had quite a dominant presence in this match. Good news is that two tries were scored as a result of good pressure and Cipriani was successful with both conversions and also with the three penalties that he kicked.
 

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