rugby last night,24 06 2014

[ssray]

On a pendo that lost power into rugby last night, not much news aprt from an incident
Any idea why?
Ta Ray

 

[tsr]

Emergency services had to remove a person from the track.

 

[sd0733]

From the messages we got 3 youths were trespassing after climbing a fence, 1 came into contact with the overheads after climbing onto the roof of a container on a freightliner train. All power was switched off whilst they were treated by paramedics and removed from container.

 

[tsr]

From the messages we got 3 youths were trespassing after climbing a fence, 1 came into contact with the overheads after climbing onto the roof of a container on a freightliner train. All power was switched off whilst they were treated by paramedics and removed from container.

Ah, OK. I only got a very abbreviated message about the situation. No wonder the current was discharged!

 

[87019Chris]

From the messages we got 3 youths were trespassing after climbing a fence, 1 came into contact with the overheads after climbing onto the roof of a container on a freightliner train. All power was switched off whilst they were treated by paramedics and removed from container.

If this is true then I have one thing to say IDIOT! What a waste of a life, things like this should be much more reported so that people stay of of the lines!
You wouldn't go into the centre of a motorway would you or you wouldn't climb on top of a lorry would you? Feel sorry for his family and anyone who had to witness this.

 

[DarloRich]

If this is true then I have one thing to say IDIOT! What a waste of a life, things like this should be much more reported so that people stay of of the lines!
You wouldn't go into the centre of a motorway would you or you wouldn't climb on top of a lorry would you? Feel sorry for his family and anyone who had to witness this.

But not the victim?

You could wonder if the people involved KNEW ( i mena really knew) about the danger. Whilst you may know the OHLE is dangerous sadly many do not.

 

[Geezertronic]

But not the victim?

You could wonder if the people involved KNEW ( i mena really knew) about the danger. Whilst you may know the OHLE is dangerous sadly many do not.

But everyone knows right from wrong, and that trespassing is wrong and sometimes people have to accept the consequences of their actions even if that means paying the ultimate sacrifice (not sure if that was the case here though)

 

[87019Chris]

But not the victim?

You could wonder if the people involved KNEW ( i mean really knew) about the danger. Whilst you may know the OHLE is dangerous sadly many do not.

When I walk past a building site do I go in (I wouldn't but for the example) I go in I have no clue what is dangerous so I start to climb and look at parts they have dug up why because I'm up to no good, I end up touching a mains electric cable and I injure myself seriously. Is it my fault yes, should I have been there no, do I need to be educated about every building site regulation, no. Its sad yes but when trespassing you are breaking the law, and its usually restricted for your own safety so why go there? Did a sign say I shouldn't go in, yes, was it fenced off, yes, did I purposely climb over the fence to gain entry, yes. This is not hate on the person or the family involved this is how I feel about these incidents.

 

[The 39 Steps]

4L71 1803 Ditton to Felixstowe South FLT was the train involved.

 

[Searle]

From the messages we got 3 youths were trespassing after climbing a fence, 1 came into contact with the overheads after climbing onto the roof of a container on a freightliner train. All power was switched off whilst they were treated by paramedics and removed from container.

If this is true then I have one thing to say IDIOT! What a waste of a life, things like this should be much more reported so that people stay of of the lines!
You wouldn't go into the centre of a motorway would you or you wouldn't climb on top of a lorry would you? Feel sorry for his family and anyone who had to witness this.

If someone has just died, then it is extremely disrespectful to start calling them an idiot, even if they were trespassing.

 

[tsr]

If someone has just died, then it is extremely disrespectful to start calling them an idiot, even if they were trespassing.

Apparently they are in intensive care with extensive burns to their neck.

 

[DarloRich]

But everyone knows right from wrong, and that trespassing is wrong and sometimes people have to accept the consequences of their actions even if that means paying the ultimate sacrifice (not sure if that was the case here though)

Whilst I agree is it not worth doing some form of causal analysis to reduce the risk of this happening again. If education of the risk is lacking should it not be made better?

When I walk past a building site do I go in (I wouldn't but for the example) I go in I have no clue what is dangerous so I start to climb and look at parts they have dug up why because I'm up to no good, I end up touching a mains electric cable and I injure myself seriously. Is it my fault yes, should I have been there no, do I need to be educated about every building site regulation, no. Its sad yes but when trespassing you are breaking the law, and its usually restricted for your own safety so why go there? Did a sign say I shouldn't go in, yes, was it fenced off, yes, did I purposely climb over the fence to gain entry, yes. This is not hate on the person or the family involved this is how I feel about these incidents.

I don’t understand your post.

My point, which you have missed, is not that they weren’t doing anything wrong (as you say trespass is wrong) but that their ignorance of the danger may have led to their misadventure that resulted in catastrophic injuries to someone.

I would say that where there is an “out of the ordinary” risk that is not apparent to the lay person education is required.

It may come as a surprise to you but I come across many, many people of all ages and walks of life who have no idea that the OHLE wires carry such a large and often lethal current.

 

[Geezertronic]

Whilst I agree is it not worth doing some form of causal analysis to reduce the risk of this happening again. If education of the risk is lacking should it not be made better?

Whilst I agree with what you are saying in principal, one cannot climb into a fenced off area and climb on top of a rail vehicle/container without expecting some form of consequence (whether that be a consequence of the law, death, or in this case serious injury). I assume that people with authorised access to the area do have some form of training to make them aware of the risks, I also assume that the fence has "No Trespassing" signs or other warning signs on it

 

[87019Chris]

No matter what I have called him he is very lucky to only have those injuries when messing around on the railways is dangerous, stupid and wastes 1,000 minutes of peoples time. He shouldn't be there without permission if this was a Network Rail Worker my opinion would be very different FACT.

Also, not looking to start arguments but what do you call someone who goes onto the line (the WCML) and climbs onto a container? That is coupled up behind a freight loco that could leave at any moment.

To Reply to DarloRich many young people are unaware of how much current is in a mains electricity cable too along with the machinery that can be found in a building site. So my ignorance of this would have caused me an injury. And I feel if you want to educate people about it don't teach them how to do it without dying, just teach them the figures of people dying, and to stay off the lines. Also although they don't tell you how much voltage is carried through the wire, the wagons all have safety signs saying high voltage on them. Although a small sign wouldn't stop a teenager.

 

[sn1975]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-28020879

 

[Domh245]

Firstly, I hope the chap who was injured recovers soon, but I do have something to say.

Network Rail, which runs the depot, urged people to only enter areas of the railway clearly marked for public use.

"Accessing the railway without permission is extremely dangerous with many hazards which pose a serious risk to life," a spokesman said.

Granted it is bad PR - but surely the spokesman could be a bit more 'heavily worded' perhaps something more like this

"Network Rail, which runs the depot, reminded people that by going on the railway outside of permitted areas they would be trespassing, and would be dealt with by the BTP.

"Accessing the railway without permission is extremely dangerous with many hazards which could cause severe harm, or even death, such as moving trains, or the very high voltage cables that power the trains" a spokesman said."

I Know that people will start saying "thats insensitive" &c. - but perhaps shock tactics are the only way to get people to listen, certainly NR could do more to advertise the dangers of OLE, similar to how they do adverts for level crossings. Perhaps some photos of this lad could be taken to show what this does to people, and even an interview, which could then be run as an advert. For something really graphic (to be shown post watershed) they could even have a video of (for example) a Pig Carcass being shocked at 250000V - maybe then people would get the message?

 

[PowerLee]

When I was a lad many years ago we had the bloke from BR come in to the school & give us all a presentation on why its not a good idea to dick about on the railway.

The one good thing to come out of this incident is he wont think about doing it again & hopefully his friends will learn a lesson to.

 

[SPADTrap]

I doubt these guys played on the railway without knowing it's dangers. That's why it "attracts" these kind of events. The thrill of knowing how dangerous it can be but getting away with it. This time however..!

The "that happens to other people" mentality.

 

[tra1nsp0tter]

When I was a lad many years ago we had the bloke from BR come in to the school & give us all a presentation on why its not a good idea to dick about on the railway.

The one good thing to come out of this incident is he wont think about doing it again & hopefully his friends will learn a lesson to.

I/we had the BTP policeman come to our primary school (years ago now) & give us the same talk & he also showed us some videos,showing the consequences of trespassing/messing around on the railway.

Does this still happen in primary or secondary school's now? Because, if not, it should be made part of the school curriculum. This is just my opinion, some people may agree or disagree however.

But something should be done, as said earlier in this thread, perhaps more graphically shocking TV adverts etc.

 

[Domh245]

I remember that when I was in year 6, just before transitioning to secondary school, we had a day where we went to a local mosque (the largest building the council could get their hands on!) and every year 6 child in the local area (mitcham/morden) went round a series of stands getting taught about various things that might be applicable. From memory, there were stands by LFB, RNLI, Tramlink, LU, Buses, SWT (with network rail), St Johns Ambulance, and the Police - where we were taught all about the dangers out there. I specifically remember the LU guy talking about the 4th rail power system, and the bus person talking about how you should be stood at least twice your height away from the kerb. If something like this could be done for most primary schools, people could be educated, but only in the local stuff they need (eg- why teach someone from Manchester about LUs power system!)

 

[NeilWatson]

For something really graphic (to be shown post watershed) they could even have a video of (for example) a Pig Carcass being shocked at 250000V - maybe then people would get the message?

250,000V - that would be some shock....

 

[Saint66]

As a child, I, and other local schools, were take to Hazard Alley in Milton Keynes, where we taught about safety in a variety of every day life events, including when near the railway. They had a stretch of fake railway where they told us not to go, warned us about OHLE and 3rd rail.

 

[Hadders]

Hazard Alley Milton Keynes Safety Centre is an absolutely brilliant facility.

I assisted in setting up the mock-up shop when I worked in MK a few years ago and was amazed by what the children learn and how realistic it is.

There's even a mock up of a class 321 in there!

 

[3141]

I/we had the BTP policeman come to our primary school (years ago now) & give us the same talk & he also showed us some videos,showing the consequences of trespassing/messing around on the railway.

Does this still happen in primary or secondary school's now? Because, if not, it should be made part of the school curriculum. This is just my opinion, some people may agree or disagree however.

But something should be done, as said earlier in this thread, perhaps more graphically shocking TV adverts etc.

It probably happens in some areas and not in others. That's probably how it's been in the past as well.

But I think there are more important things to include in the national curriculum than this. It's the job of parents to bring up their children to behave sensibly, obey the law, not trespass, don't take foolish risks. The more these things are switched to schools, the more some people will stop making the effort for their children and leave it to someone else.

I think we shouldn't hesitate to say that people who enter dangerous areas and then behave dangerously when they're inside are fools or idiots. In this case someone experienced the consequences of his behaviour. If he'd died he wouldn't be any less of an idiot. In fact, if he'd died it adds to the case for pointing out how stupid his behaviour had been, partly in the hope of discouraging others from doing the same sort of thing.

As for domh245's comment that "people could be educated, but only in the local stuff they need (eg- why teach someone from Manchester about LUs power system!)" - so if they live twenty miles from the nearest railway, would you tell them nothing about the potential dangers of trespassing on a railway line? No, because most people travel to different sorts of places, where different dangers may exist, and they should be aware of them.

 

[Domh245]

When I talk about local, I mean about things that they might expect to encounter specifically about the railway - eg. people in cornwall won't need to know about OLE yet, but people in (say) Milton Keynes would. Its whatever is reasonable, not just a 20 mile circle drawn around the town centre

 

[hassaanhc]

I remember that when I was in year 6, just before transitioning to secondary school, we had a day where we went to a local mosque (the largest building the council could get their hands on!) and every year 6 child in the local area (mitcham/morden) went round a series of stands getting taught about various things that might be applicable. From memory, there were stands by LFB, RNLI, Tramlink, LU, Buses, SWT (with network rail), St Johns Ambulance, and the Police - where we were taught all about the dangers out there. I specifically remember the LU guy talking about the 4th rail power system, and the bus person talking about how you should be stood at least twice your height away from the kerb. If something like this could be done for most primary schools, people could be educated, but only in the local stuff they need (eg- why teach someone from Manchester about LUs power system!)

I remember something similar too. I was also in Year 6 at the time, in July 2006. It was at Southall Scout Activity Centre (again in London as yours was) with all the agencies mentioned (except SWT and possibly including LAS). Thing I remember the most was about not using the inter-car doors on LUL trains and showing a video about the dangers. Apart from public transport safety it was also fire safety and basic first aid, with everyone given a handbook too.

 

[GatwickDepress]

Hazard Alley Milton Keynes Safety Centre is an absolutely brilliant facility.

I assisted in setting up the mock-up shop when I worked in MK a few years ago and was amazed by what the children learn and how realistic it is.

There's even a mock up of a class 321 in there!

Hazard Alley scared my partner half to death when he visited as a schoolchild. Excellent to see the "scare 'em straight" school of safety education is still alive and well!

I wonder if good old 321 000 is still resplendent in NSE livery...

 

[Hadders]

I wonder if good old 321 000 is still resplendent in NSE livery...

I believe it still is Although they could probably do with getting a mock-up of a 350 thesedays!