Rubbish left on trains

[ANorthernGuard]

Not that I've seen, but the metal dispensers are prevalent everywhere else on stations (though I would guess you already knew that ). I would be a good idea perhaps if they were on trains, would probably encourage people to put them back after their done. Unlikely though.



Indeed! Seriously can't we have some ruddy bins back!

bins are not really the problem, its the old style metal bins that caused the damage with shrapnel etc. clear plastic bags in a holder are all that is needed

 

[Yew]

Metal holders near the enterance/exit of a train would be a good idea.

and get some thick cast iron bins, If a bomb goes off, then all the force wil lgo upwards (damaging the roof, but not the people)

 

[jopsuk]

I'm not sure you appreciate:
A: that it won't quite work the way you think it would
B: quite how thick the steel (stronger than iron) would have to be to be bomb proof- not strong enough and you've created a fantastic casing that'll turn into delightfully deadly shrapnel, just what an aspiring mass murdererer would want.

 

[Tom B]

Some of us grew up in the generation where there were no bins on trains and every station has signs saying 'leave your rubbish on the ground and it will be collected'.

Or indeed upon asking a member of staff are told to leave it anywhere for the cleaners!

 

[jon0844]

Ah yes, bl**dy Metros!! Here we are, in a day and age when we all are told to recycle and use the world's resources carefully, and yet it's fine for the big newspaper corp to print those blighters every day purely to generate advertising revenue!!

They don't even seem to be very good at doing that a lot of the time. However, they did okay yesterday with the Pokemon ads and today with the Olympics. I hear they do offer ridiculously cheap ad deals though.

I now read the Evening Standard on my Kindle. It does mean I pay for a paper that's normally free (£4 a month) but it's a much nicer way to read - and better for the environment too.

 

[GNER 373]

I've gotta say using Trains from Newcastle which is one of the best/wildest places to spend your stag/hen/weekend binging session, that if you book a table seat for your journey over a weekend you can almost guarantee there being empty bottles/cans all over the place with the table being so covered in liquids it could be classed as a small swimming pool. I'm all for a big weekend away but I was born with manners and always clear the area I've been using in all that I do, so only wish other revellers/passengers could do the same! That is all!

 

[BestWestern]

Didn't The Metro sponsor or install a number of bins at stations for the newspapers?

Bristol TM has a 'Metro recycling' bin in the subway, I presume that they've popped up at all the major locations? I'm afraid I'd still have to say that I think the printing of thousands of copies of freebie rag each and every weekday just for the financial benefit of those who produce it is criminal. To then play the 'Green' card by installing holy recyling bins is hypocritical to the extreme! Grrr....

 

[jon0844]

There was a recycling bin at Finsbury Park before the work to add gates and it had a special lid that only allowed for papers to go in. It was fairly well used, but I always saw more people confused at not being able to put their regular rubbish in it!

Now it has disappeared completely. Perhaps someone recycled it!

 

[BestWestern]

There was a recycling bin at Finsbury Park before the work to add gates and it had a special lid that only allowed for papers to go in. It was fairly well used, but I always saw more people confused at not being able to put their regular rubbish in it!

Now it has disappeared completely. Perhaps someone recycled it!

...or nicked it!!
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They don't even seem to be very good at doing that a lot of the time. However, they did okay yesterday with the Pokemon ads and today with the Olympics. I hear they do offer ridiculously cheap ad deals though.

Yeah I saw those Pokemon ads; who reading Metro would want to buy that?? Obviously the makers of Pokemon know something about commuting professionals that we don't, hehe!!

 

[island]

Bristol TM has a 'Metro recycling' bin in the subway, I presume that they've popped up at all the major locations? I'm afraid I'd still have to say that I think the printing of thousands of copies of freebie rag each and every weekday just for the financial benefit of those who produce it is criminal. To then play the 'Green' card by installing holy recyling bins is hypocritical to the extreme! Grrr....

Saw one of them at Woking yesterday too.

 

[jon0844]

Well, in Japan a lot of adults are really into games, comics etc but I don't think the same applies here.

So the advertising in Metro seems a little pointless, given few kids probably read it.

 

[jopsuk]

I think you grossly underestimate the number of adults into games (including Pokemon) in this country- just because you're not interested...

 

[BestWestern]

I always though that Pokemon was specifically for kids? I seem to recall the cartoons being on kids TV?!

Sent with apologies to those who are indeed into it! I hadn't realised it was for grown-ups and though it was just a naff kids gimic

 

[jopsuk]

I don't see the appeal of the games myself, but really, Nintendo are sensible enough to target their advertising where they can predict it will be effective. Criticising people for having a "sad life" on a rail enthusiasts forum made me laugh (quietly, so no-one in the office asked why I was laughing)

 

[jon0844]

I think you grossly underestimate the number of adults into games (including Pokemon) in this country- just because you're not interested...

I didn't mean games, as in computer games. My first job was at Virgin Interactive, then Sega, as a software evaluator so I am well aware of those who play games (even if I am now more of a casual gamer) but Pokemon isn't your normal game. It's a cult around spending money collecting things. It IS big in Japan, and was big here with kids - but I am really not sure any adults are going around 'collecting em all'.

 

[jopsuk]

Whereas I'm pretty sure there are- and that many will have been doing so since the very first editions of the games.

 

[Scotrail84]

Ah yes, bl**dy Metros!! Here we are, in a day and age when we all are told to recycle and use the world's resources carefully, and yet it's fine for the big newspaper corp to print those blighters every day purely to generate advertising revenue!! How many thousands of tons of pointless watse does that create every year I wonder?! Who can't afford to go and spend a few pennies on a proper paper?! Time they were banned if you ask me, Grrr....!! :-x

100% agree:grin:

 

[142094]

Here's a question about Metro newspapers - do they have to pay a fee to have their storage containers on a station or is this free?

 

[WatcherZero]

I believe in London at least Tfl hold regular competitions for the concession to supply a free newspaper, Metro won a 11 year concession in 1999 and a 7.5 year concession in 2010. Its said to be 'lucrative' however it doesnt appear anyone actually bid against the Metro for the right. I wonder if the fact you cant get a MEN at Man Pic (either free or in WH Smiths) was part of a National Rail Metro concession too as you can get it at Northern run Victoria.

 

[Hydro]

and get some thick cast iron bins, If a bomb goes off, then all the force wil lgo upwards (damaging the roof, but not the people)

Cast iron likes to shatter under shock. Early grenades had a cast iron casing (q.v. Mills bomb). To have bins thick enough to withstand a hefty blast would mean they would hugely heavy, a pain to install, and would be then practically immoveable. Just stick with the bags, they're good enough, cheap, now stations just have to make them plentiful.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Metal holders near the enterance/exit of a train would be a good idea.

and get some thick cast iron bins, If a bomb goes off, then all the force wil lgo upwards (damaging the roof, but not the people)

Hmm... as said above, cast iron shatters. It will not "force" the explosion towards the roof, it will pelt red hot bits of iron across the room at people.

Of course, it you want to design something to direct the blast towards the roof, I'm sure everyone will thank you when you bring parts of the roof down on top of everyone.

 

[142094]

I believe in London at least Tfl hold regular competitions for the concession to supply a free newspaper, Metro won a 11 year concession in 1999 and a 7.5 year concession in 2010. Its said to be 'lucrative' however it doesnt appear anyone actually bid against the Metro for the right. I wonder if the fact you cant get a MEN at Man Pic (either free or in WH Smiths) was part of a National Rail Metro concession too as you can get it at Northern run Victoria.

Thought so. In Newcastle on the Metro there used to be another free paper, which itself was called "Metro", but this ahd to change its name when the current Metro was published. Think it became something like Morning News. Again I guess they had to pay some sort of fee, but it disappeared so guessing there was some sort of clause which prevented any other paper being distributed.

 

[Blindtraveler]

best on train bins have to be the ones scotrail have fitted in vestibules of 158s. Great!

 

[Yew]

Aha sorry about the cast iron, however some steel hoops around it would make it strong enough, cannons where made from cast iron after all.

Just a shame they cant mak somthing so the clear bags dont blow in the wind

 

[BestWestern]

I don't see the appeal of the games myself, but really, Nintendo are sensible enough to target their advertising where they can predict it will be effective. Criticising people for having a "sad life" on a rail enthusiasts forum made me laugh (quietly, so no-one in the office asked why I was laughing)

Is it Nintendo? I didn't know that, thank you! If it ever comes up in a pub quiz I shall buy you a pint. Obviously it won't be much use to you in the wrong pub, so I shall then drink it, but the thought was there Now then, what's this about sad train forums, don't get me started I shall be dribbling everywhere...

 

[IanXC]

Just a shame they cant mak somthing so the clear bags dont blow in the wind

Well... I can only think of Northern having done this, but on stations round here theres a plastic washing up bowl in the bottom of the bag. Seems to do the job nicely.

 

[mike1990]

People need to take more resposibility, yes some rubbish should be collected by on board staff but i think it is 100% fair to ask people take the rubbish they have managed to carry around with them up until the point they got on the train with them when they get off the train.

The mess some people leave behind, seriously? You wouldn't leave half eaten apples, banana skins, used tissues, etc. sprawled across your living room so why do people find this acceptable to do on the trains?

EDIT: Sorry for dragging this thread back up, just needed to vent!

 

[jon0844]

No problem bring it up! I got on a very dirty train recently with food on seats, drink on floor. Clearly someone deliberately making a mess as it wasn't accidental.

FCC to clean trains when turning around at places like King's Cross, and possibly Moorgate, but trains starting back from Welwyn Garden City can often be a mess - and late at night, they seem to give up on cleaning (just when they can become the worst).

On a late evening, or early evening on a Friday or Saturday, the trains can be filled up with booze and crisp packets as people prepare for going out.

I'll often try, as will others, to tidy up a bit (the bins are usually empty, so that's not even a reason why people leave their cr*p all over the place) if I can - and I won't get all messy.

 

[Wyvern]

Particularly if I've bought station catering food to eat on the train I'll ask the Buffet at the arrival station or when changing trains to put it their bin. They seem quite happy to do so.

 

[Smethwickian]

People need to take more resposibility, yes some rubbish should be collected by on board staff but i think it is 100% fair to ask people take the rubbish they have managed to carry around with them up until the point they got on the train with them when they get off the train.

People today just have far less respect for public spaces. My mum would have belted me if she'd seen me drop litter instead of putting it in a bin or my pocket to take home, and still in my mid-40s I would be ashamed to drop litter in the street or on a train, whether bins are nearby or not.

For all the arguments about receptacles on stations, even if none are provided, people don't make a journey then spend the rest of their lives in the station premises - they have to go outside and therefore near a litter bin at some point. Pick it up for goodness sake!