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VauxhallandI

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I'm currently sat on the 11:35 from Man Picc to Euston.

When the guard came around we asked to upgrade to first class. I wanted to use up a £25 RTV so offered it up as part of our upgrade.

He said he couldn't accept them as his machine didn't take them?

Not happy
 
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It's not really much hassle. It goes through the same as a warrant. If the voucher is for more than the cost of the ticket it goes down as a surplus due to travel voucher excess on the shift sheet.
 

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I'm currently sat on the 11:35 from Man Picc to Euston.

When the guard came around we asked to upgrade to first class. I wanted to use up a £25 RTV so offered it up as part of our upgrade.

He said he couldn't accept them as his machine didn't take them?

Not happy

I would say its his problem,not yours.


From NRE:

Payment methods
The following are accepted as methods of payments at National Rail stations and retail outlets. They also apply to paying on-train when no opportunity to purchase beforehand existed.
Self-service ticket machines at National Rail stations will accept a more limited range of payment.
Information shown might not apply to National Rail products purchased at independent rail licensed travel agents or from other third party retailers.
Cash
Credit/Debit/Charge Cards
Cheques
Travellers Cheques
Rail Travel Accounts (Warrants)
Vouchers
National Transport Tokens
Postal Orders
Cash

If he doesnt know how to process them,he needs to check with someone who does.
 

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The only difficulty you may have with that is that if Virgin allow you to purchase upgrades at the booking office (I can't remember if they do or do not) they may say that it should have been done there and therefore as per NRE the RTV isn't to be accepted on train as there was opportunity to purchase previously.

It would seem to be a bit silly to me though as it's a spur of the moment purchase.
 

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If he doesnt know how to process them,he needs to check with someone who does.

It is all very well saying this, and I agree with your opinion. Nevertheless when you are onboard, there is very little you can do.
 

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Rail travel vouchers can be accepted on board, although the guard has to punch in the full voucher number. Some guards may find this to be too much faff.
 

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They are processed onboard in a variety of ways depending on the train company.
 

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someone has just asked this on Twitter and the twitter operator said
@VirginTrains: Yes, although the RTVs can't be accepted onboard. ^RM

Rail Travel Vouchers are a regulated method of payment to be accepted by any member of railway staff who sells rail tickets. See Page 196 of the Ticketing and Settlement Agreement (TSA). Regardless of what was or wasn't included in training course material, ticket retailers on board are not exempt from this.

The only difficulty you may have with that is that if Virgin allow you to purchase upgrades at the booking office (I can't remember if they do or do not) they may say that it should have been done there and therefore as per NRE the RTV isn't to be accepted on train as there was opportunity to purchase previously.

The National Rail Enquires page on payment methods doesn't say this - where on their site is it?

"They also apply to paying on-train when no opportunity to purchase beforehand existed" does not restrict the payment methods available on board trains. It's about informing people that they may be able to pay for a ticket on board if they couldn't beforehand. Understandably the site doesn't encourage people to use them on board - note that while that page does say that RTVs are accepted at booking office or through telesales, it doesn't say that they are the only points of sale where they are accepted. Very cleverly worded.

Some of the listed methods of payments are not universally accepted - there is wording to this effect in the information about them on that page. These'll be Postal Orders and Traveller's Cheques, which are absent from the TSA.

It's not really much hassle. It goes through the same as a warrant. If the voucher is for more than the cost of the ticket it goes down as a surplus due to travel voucher excess on the shift sheet.

Where I work now, RTVs issued by my employer go in as a "voucher exchange" debit sundry for the full value of the voucher. Any surplus is balanced by the "Travel voucher surplus" credit sundry.

RTVs issued by other operators are processed as part or full warrant payments.

This is what is done in the ticket office - when Avantix Mobile is used, we have to fill in a carbon balance sheet.

Easy to do on an Avantix - some staff choose not to as they haven't been told that they can accept such methods of payment and they don't want to risk getting into trouble. It's a problem with the way some TOCs do their training. Recurring issues like this ought to be addressed.
 
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I've accepted them for Weekend First in the last fortnight, they go through like a warrant, and no change is given.

I saw the same "we don't take them on-board" comment on the FGW twitter page today, though (I looked at it as I thought my Hypertension was not out control).
 

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Rail travel vouchers can be accepted on board, although the guard has to punch in the full voucher number. Some guards may find this to be too much faff.

Or not do it ;)


It's utterly infuriating that on train and gateline staff will not accept RTVs when you travel from a station whose ticket office is closed or nonexistent. Especially when you need a longer distance ticket.
 

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I've taken them on board, but tbh they are a faff as for each one you have to type in a load of numbers and each time it asks for confirmation of one set of numbers. Ok if there is one, or even two, but more than that...
I know someone who was given about 6 or 7 and it would not accept more than 5 at one time, the screen kept jumping back to the start. The passenger was getting quite angry at the third try.

The problem for many is that we come across them so rarely that you have to remember the codes you need to put in. I have them written down. If someone like RJ came along with his postal orders or travellers cheques I'd admit I would be lost. In 7 years I seen none and was never taught on how to accept these, or even seen anything written down on how to.
 

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It was the attitude that disappointed me.

Thee was also absolutely no need for the conceited "good old cash" comment he muttered when I got my money out. Luckily I let it go, maybe I should have told him that he was lucky this time and I'd let him off :D
 

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For an upgrade... it's tricky though.

But for a comment like that I would have made it clear that I expect the voucher to be accepted wherever it is advertised as being accepted before handing over the cash.

If I'm buying an expensive ticket (£10+) with an RTV I'm often unable to cover my fare unless the RTV is accepted.
 

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I received a response from Virgin today. Alas not the one I was looking for I'm afraid.

It was a whole page of repeatedly saying there were sorry it had taken them so long to respond and giving me a £20 RTV.

The final paragraph is what annoyed me...

"While we have not been able to specifically address your complaint, we hope that this gesture of goodwill is adequate resolution and that you use it for whatever you like, and enjoy it on us"

Frankly no it is not good enough
 
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No, it's not adequate. It has come down from £50. ;)

I would say tell them that you appreciate the gesture, pocket the RTV, and still chase them up on the issue.
 

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No, it's not adequate. It has come down from £50. ;)

I would say tell them that you appreciate the gesture, pocket the RTV, and still chase them up on the issue.

I was considering sending the RTV back. However I think that gesture might be over their head.
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You should charge them a £10 'admin fee' for your time ;)

Just ten!
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I was considering sending the RTV back. However I think that gesture might be over their head.
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Just ten!

What also grinds me gears is that the could be handing out £20's to cases that don't warrant it
 

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Back when it was £50, several of us put a concise claim in for delays on 1st class tickets, and got a minuscule amount back.

Another member wrote a long letter. They did not read the letter, and so he got £50.

They clearly think it's cheaper to hand out £50/£20 rather than actually address complaints. The fact they have a huge backlog is perhaps because they don't address complaints - but I guess that doesn't occur to management.
 

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Back when it was £50, several of us put a concise claim in for delays on 1st class tickets, and got a minuscule amount back.

Another member wrote a long letter. They did not read the letter, and so he got £50.

They clearly think it's cheaper to hand out £50/£20 rather than actually address complaints. The fact they have a huge backlog is perhaps because they don't address complaints - but I guess that doesn't occur to management.

Indeed I really wasn't fishing for RTV's just admission and a promise that the chap was corrected, hell I wasn't even holding out for an apology
 

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I once wrote a full two page angry letter. Got £75 :D

Those exact words have been sent to me in letters 3 times now.
 
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