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Royal Mail to introduce barcoded postage stamps

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However , it is an offence in the UK to deface banknotes!

But not to destroy them!

Currency and Banknotes Act (1928).

Who knew?! o_O
I did, from the days when my dad ran the department at the Bank of England dedicated to such matters: sounds grand, but it consisted of him and half a secretary (never did discover which half!) :)
 
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I do find it an extraordinarily sharp practice to simply invalidate stamps. They were bought in good faith and people shouldn't have to undergo inconvenience to avoid losing the money they've paid to Royal Mail. It seems a blatant breach of contract.

Then again, sharp practices seem to run in the 'postal family' (cf the Post Office scandal).
I do wonder if they'll be forced into delaying their date for last use of the old stamps. Another year on top of the current date would give people so much notice that they might reasonably be able to use most of their existing stock without going through the inconvenience of exchanges. People buying the stamps a long time in advance of using them has traditionally been a good thing for RM because of the cash flow it brings in, but it appears that now they want to have their cake and eat it by taking the liabilities off their balance sheet.

Personally I'm not affected because I've fewer than 12 sat around and these will be used before 31 January 2023.
 

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I wonder if, once we're used to barcoded stamps, they'll start including an expiry date? There must be millions of pounds worth of un-used stamps out there, some will be waiting to be used, some will be in collectors albums and some will have been lost or destroyed, but as @Statmill says they all represent liabilities on the Royal Mail balance sheet.
 

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I do find it an extraordinarily sharp practice to simply invalidate stamps. They were bought in good faith and people shouldn't have to undergo inconvenience to avoid losing the money they've paid to Royal Mail. It seems a blatant breach of contract.
In reality have done it before. They did it fairly quickly after decimalisation when everything older, apart from QE2 £1 stamps, was demonetised. What I think is troubling them now is that they have an obligation to accept all stamps from 1971 onwards (Plus a few earlier £1 stamps) at the same time as they are facing an onslaught of forged and reused stamps (look at eBay). I have some sympathy with them as a business and if the swap scheme is fair none of us will be out of pocket.
 

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Post Office will also take the old £1 coins off your hands, but was asked to do so by paying it into my debit card / bank account.

Presumably the reason why Post Offices won't be swapping out non-barcoded stamps, is that authenticity checks will first need to be undertaken on the ones submitted for swap out.
Well, 2 post offices local to me I took £1 coins to didn't want anything to do with them....

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In reality have done it before. They did it fairly quickly after decimalisation when everything older, apart from QE2 £1 stamps, was demonetised. What I think is troubling them now is that they have an obligation to accept all stamps from 1971 onwards (Plus a few earlier £1 stamps) at the same time as they are facing an onslaught of forged and reused stamps (look at eBay). I have some sympathy with them as a business and if the swap scheme is fair none of us will be out of pocket.
Tend to agree. I think the problem is the swap scheme will not run that long in the great scheme of things (old books of stamps located in old desk drawers and such places around one's house or office.....), the swap not being able to be done at a local sub post office will make it harder for some people - even getting the form for the non tech savvy does not seem possible at a post office, you would appear to have to go to a royal mail sorting office counter - and there are fewer of them. If you find just 2 or 3 stamps you will probably just shrug your shoulders and write it off, which is not very fair, as @Watershed says.
 

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Well, 2 post offices local to me I took £1 coins to didn't want anything to do with them....

Interesting! Perhaps they didn't get the memo.


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We would like to reassure anyone who is unclear on what to do with their old £1 coins that the Post Office is here for you. Thanks to an agreement with all UK high street banks, everyone can deposit old pound coins into their usual high street bank account at their local Post Office branch while visiting us to pay bills, pick up online shopping, collect foreign currency, withdraw cash, deposit cheques or any of the many other reasons to pop in. They can do this even after 15 October (2017).
 

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Interesting! Perhaps they didn't get the memo.

Interesting. I suspect the sub postmaster concerned did not want to bother with it so was economical with their answer. I wonder what would happen if went in and presented the coin along with a request to pay it into an account! Might get a different answer. I should try that next time I find another one - I thought I had got rind of them all back in 2017 when they were withdrawn but I reckon I've had about 10 since then from one place or another...

I suspect I phrased a question such that it would have sounded like I wanted to make a swap, whereas I'd have happily paid it into an account had I been aware of that option.

My high street bank just did a coin for coin swap, which was handy, though I could have paid the old one into my bank account had I been asked to do so.
 
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Tend to agree. I think the problem is the swap scheme will not run that long in the great scheme of things (old books of stamps located in old desk drawers and such places around one's house or office.....), the swap not being able to be done at a local sub post office will make it harder for some people - even getting the form for the non tech savvy does not seem possible at a post office, you would appear to have to go to a royal mail sorting office counter - and there are fewer of them. If you find just 2 or 3 stamps you will probably just shrug your shoulders and write it off, which is not very fair, as @Watershed says.
If the intention were to simply transition over to the new model as soon as possible, they would be able to make the transition much less painful. For example by allowing people to swap old stamps over the counter, and having a much longer 'grace period'. Similarly to how coin and note changeovers are managed by the Bank of England.

I like to think I'm reasonably well informed on current affairs, but this is the first I've heard of this development. So clearly they're not that keen to publicise it!

Combined with the massive increase in postage prices over the last few years (why on earth doesn't Ofcom regulate such prices?), it gives the distinct impression of an organisation that pays mere lip service to its public service obligations.
 

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RM and the PO have been separate organisations for some time. Also lots of POs are run by independent franchisees as a supplement to their convenience store. I doubt these people want to spend time processing old collections of stamps. I don't know how much they get from RM for every item of mail they process, but it's probably a pittance. RM isn't going to pay them a fee to exchange stamps.

Given the PO scandal which has recently received a lot of publicity, would anyone running a post office want to take the risk of accepting fake old stamps? (Well lots of them already do accept fake stamps for postage, but then the point of this entire exercise is to get rid of fake stamps.)

So perhaps swaps could be done only in those dedicated "crown" post offices - but there aren't that many of these left, and they are always extremely busy. Whereas the RM customer service points are no longer busy, now that people no longer need to spend hours every year travelling and queuing up from 0700-0900 on weekdays only, as postmen no longer collect signatures on Signed For items and just drop them in your postbox (which is a genuine enhancement, and also makes the former name of Recorded Delivery more apt).
 

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Whereas the RM customer service points are no longer busy, now that people no longer need to spend hours every year travelling and queuing up from 0700-0900 on weekdays only, as postmen no longer collect signatures on Signed For items and just drop them in your postbox (which is a genuine enhancement, and also makes the former name of Recorded Delivery more apt).
Being able to rebook a missed delivery for another date has been a marvellous improvement too, although perhaps I had it easy to begin with: my local Delivery Office was open 0800 to 1000 Mondays and 0800 to 1330 Tuesdays through to Saturdays!
 

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RM and the PO have been separate organisations for some time. Also lots of POs are run by independent franchisees as a supplement to their convenience store. I doubt these people want to spend time processing old collections of stamps. I don't know how much they get from RM for every item of mail they process, but it's probably a pittance. RM isn't going to pay them a fee to exchange stamps.

Given the PO scandal which has recently received a lot of publicity, would anyone running a post office want to take the risk of accepting fake old stamps? (Well lots of them already do accept fake stamps for postage, but then the point of this entire exercise is to get rid of fake stamps.)

So perhaps swaps could be done only in those dedicated "crown" post offices - but there aren't that many of these left, and they are always extremely busy. Whereas the RM customer service points are no longer busy, now that people no longer need to spend hours every year travelling and queuing up from 0700-0900 on weekdays only, as postmen no longer collect signatures on Signed For items and just drop them in your postbox (which is a genuine enhancement, and also makes the former name of Recorded Delivery more apt).
I'm sure you are correct about all that - they did not want to make an incentive payment to sub-postmasters I expect. Mind you it would be more analogous to what RM pay a PO for the sale of every stamp I suppose.

Interestingly my local sorting office has been open for relatively long hours (inc several evenings a week) for some years - well before covid - sounds like that is unusual.
 

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Thank you for the warning. I have a habit of buying a book of stamps, using one then putting the rest in a drawer and forgetting about them.

I have just done a stocktake and I have six partial books containing a total of 12 first class and eight second class stamps. I doubt I'll send 20 letters before March 2023 so will look out for the exchange scheme!
The January deadline is not great as I expect many folk use stamps mainly for Christmas cards and not so much during the rest of the year. Just make sure you don't have too many left over.
 

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The January deadline is not great as I expect many folk use stamps mainly for Christmas cards and not so much during the rest of the year. Just make sure you don't have too many left over.
Indeed - at least it means if you use hardly any between now and xmas you have xmas 2022 to use up the rest and / or the swap out runs beyond then I think (?) maybe till March 2023 so any left overs could be swapped then. Tho if the swap out works well there is a case for getting as many as you can swapped out sooner rather than later, which I think is what I will aim to do.

I have a few 'large letter' denominational stamps that I use very infrequently - and would not be used on xmas cards - so I aim to swap them out ASAP.
 

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Swap-out form at https://www.royalmail.com/sites/royalmail.com/files/2022-03/Stamp-Swap-Out-Form-under-200-pounds.pdf or you can ask them to send you a form, a different form applies if you have >£200-worth of stamps to exchange.
Not that difficult I guess; I have £154.30 combined first- and second-class stamps to exchange.
Posted for exchange today, so hopefully within 7 days I'll get my replacements .......

My stamps were simply accumulated by buying in bulk at a time when I used them more frequently, under the assumption that they were valid for ever and immune to price rises once Royal Mail changed from having a monetary value assigned to the base definitive stamps and changed to "1st" or "2nd".
 
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Swap-out form at https://www.royalmail.com/sites/royalmail.com/files/2022-03/Stamp-Swap-Out-Form-under-200-pounds.pdf or you can ask them to send you a form, a different form applies if you have >£200-worth of stamps to exchange.
Not that difficult I guess; I have £154.30 combined first- and second-class stamps to exchange.
Posted for exchange today, so hopefully within 7 days I'll get my replacements .......

My stamps were simply accumulated by buying in bulk at a time when I used them more frequently, under the assumption that they were valid for ever and immune to price rises once Royal Mail changed from having a monetary value assigned to the base definitive stamps and changed to "1st" or "2nd".
Thanks for posting link - that's helpful to have.
 

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I posted mine off last Monday, and the replacements came on Friday. So quite a quick turnaround.
 

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Swap-out form at https://www.royalmail.com/sites/royalmail.com/files/2022-03/Stamp-Swap-Out-Form-under-200-pounds.pdf or you can ask them to send you a form, a different form applies if you have >£200-worth of stamps to exchange.
It seems the link has subsequently changed, and can now be found at https://www.royalmail.com/sites/roy...Stamp-Swap-Out-Form-under-200-pounds-v1_1.pdf.

A bit annoying that they have to be stuck to the original backing paper as I have a few that are stuck on to an envelope. Guess will have to try and use them up this year.
 

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Have you received the replacements yet @jfollows ?
Replacements arrived this morning, probably my fault for the delay, the covering letter says that I claimed the value of the stamps I sent them was £154.30 but they think the value is £164.50 and they've sent stamps to their higher value, so I guess my submission was diverted into the "needs a little investigation" pile for a few days. Anyway, all good!

I can now send my very unimportant (in terms of time) letter to HMRC using one of the new second class stamps and send in the remaining 9xfirst class stamps for swap out I still had in case (In truth I found them after I sent off the original 203 stamps).
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I also used a pre-paid first class envelope to post the stamps and they seem to have credited me with this cost given that it's a Freepost address. So I'm very happy with the process overall.

Royal Mail appears to continue to deliver a reliable and trustworthy service, in my opinion.

[The HMRC letter is something I'm asking them to do with effect from 6 April 2023 so it really doesn't need a First Class stamp!]
 
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Presumably the reason why Post Offices won't be swapping out non-barcoded stamps, is that authenticity checks will first need to be undertaken on the ones submitted for swap out.
More likely because royal mail and post office are separate organisations and post office would want paying to carry out the service.
 

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More likely because royal mail and post office are separate organisations and post office would want paying to carry out the service.
Quite possibly. Not unusual to take items back, to the place where you bought them, for exchange though.
 

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It seems the link has subsequently changed, and can now be found at https://www.royalmail.com/sites/roy...Stamp-Swap-Out-Form-under-200-pounds-v1_1.pdf.

A bit annoying that they have to be stuck to the original backing paper as I have a few that are stuck on to an envelope. Guess will have to try and use them up this year.
For those unable to access the document, it should be added that the non self-adhesive stamps (ie those that you would lick to secure them) are redeemable via the Swap Out.

Sorry if it seems a picky point but I am sure that l have a few definitive stamps somewhere and was concerned that these would be of no use - I may not be alone. (Got 11 months to find them.)
 

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Not being able to use old style definitive (non-commemorative) stamps after 31st January 2023 is one thing.

Potentially not being able to swap them out after 31st March 2023 is quite another. :s
 

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Good idea if it stops people reusing them. I didnt realise that it was such a problem :| To be honest I've always got a couple of stamp books on the go so doubt I'd notice or be bothered to look for a pair of scissors.

I don't know enough about it to know if it actually is, but the cynic in me says they've gotta keep their profits up somehow!
 

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I wonder about the economics of the swap scheme as it must be costing quite a bit to run. Would they perhaps have done better to just introduce the bar coded stamps then after six months or so start taking a closer look at the now rarer non bar coded stamps to look for signs of forgery or reuse.
 

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I wonder about the economics of the swap scheme as it must be costing quite a bit to run.
Flipside is that any stamps not swapped out by 31 March 2023 seemingly can't then be used and Royal Mail get to retain all the prepaid revenue for same without having to provide any service.
 

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It annoyed me that when I went to buy some stamps before the recent price hike the local post offices were still handling the non bar coded stock - when I said I wanted ones with bar codes they only had a couple of books to spare. Why have the non coded stock not been withdrawn from sale? I bet plenty of unwary buyers are being sold stamps that they will need to swap, and no nothing of the planned change and swap out scheme etc.
 
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