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Xenophon PCDGS

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The BBC and health care must be next in their sights if David gets his way.

The BBC is nothing like the organisation it once was. If this was privatised, would this mean the end of the annual licence fee ? It seems that programmes such as "Bargain Hunt" form a bulwark of their BBC1 daytime television these days.
 
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I'm glad someone else has picked up on the fact The Government is still the biggest shareholder in RM.....this "inconvenient" fact has disappeared in all the hype relating to the sale :roll:

You seriously expect that this won't be flogged off before long :|
 

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What about Channel 4? That's owned by the government and would be pretty easy to sell off...

(Note to any Conservative cabinet ministers who may be reading, I am not suggesting you do this.)
 

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The BBC is nothing like the organisation it once was. If this was privatised, would this mean the end of the annual licence fee ? It seems that programmes such as "Bargain Hunt" form a bulwark of their BBC1 daytime television these days.

BBC news is now left far behind Channel 4 news output. Whenever I watch BBC 1pm/6pm/10pm programs the simplified, dumbed down reports are an embarrassment to the organisation and what it once was. Even ITV news now offers more insight and the correspondents demonstrate greater knowledge of their subjects when it used to be the other way around.
 

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When I saw the violin that was to be auctioned this week from the Titanic salvage scenario being shown on the BBC TV News in the morning of the auction, I heard a number of what I took to be sarcastic comments expressed by the presenters of the veracity of the provenance, I immediately was led to believe that doubts had been cast which would cause the violin to be withdrawn from the auction. It was stated that the experts were totally satisfied that the violin was the one in question, but the sarcastic comments continued.

The auction went ahead as planned and the sum raised was far in excess of the reserve price.

Could the broadcast comments on the very morning of the auction by BBC TV be seen to have caused a possible detrimental effect on the selling price on the auction proceedings ? No apology for these comments seems to have been forthcoming as far as I know.
 

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It will be RBS next - Sold at a low price no doubt to help decent Tory city types turn a healthy and quick profit.

Doubt it. Despite turning a half year profit the other month, the finances and the group overall are still a big mess.
 

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BBC news is now left far behind Channel 4 news output. Whenever I watch BBC 1pm/6pm/10pm programs the simplified, dumbed down reports are an embarrassment to the organisation and what it once was. Even ITV news now offers more insight and the correspondents demonstrate greater knowledge of their subjects when it used to be the other way around.

Channel 4 News is more like Newsnight with regard to the type of audience it appeals to.

If you think BBC/ITV news are simplistic try Channel 5 :p
 

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BBC Three or Radio One Newsbeat are pretty thorough.

Of course, the idea is that it gives news to people who don't otherwise listen to news. Problem is a) it dumbs the news down and b) the news reported is often not the biggest or most important news.

But hey, at least the BBC are down with the kids.
 

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The BBC is nothing like the organisation it once was. If this was privatised, would this mean the end of the annual licence fee ? It seems that programmes such as "Bargain Hunt" form a bulwark of their BBC1 daytime television these days.

Hey, dont knock Bargain Hunt. Most daytime TV programmes are very cheap to make because theres not many people actually at home but the popularity of Bargain Hunt keeps on rolling. I think they film about 4 episodes at each fair then auction or something so it really is cheap as chips(sorry) to make as they only need 2 camera men, 2 sound men and Tim.:lol:

I love it
 

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Doubt it. Despite turning a half year profit the other month, the finances and the group overall are still a big mess.

It will be like Northern Rock - Partition the bank, good debt one side bad debt the other. Guess which side the tax player is left with?

I have no problem with the government selling RBS/Lloyds or which ever bank off quickly as they shouldn’t, really, be owning banks (other than a national bank perhaps) but it should be disposed of on the most advantageous terms for the tax player, who after all, are the ones who saved the bloody thing!
 

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It will be like Northern Rock - Partition the bank, good debt one side bad debt the other. Guess which side the tax player is left with?

I have no problem with the government selling RBS/Lloyds or which ever bank off quickly as they shouldn’t, really, be owning banks (other than a national bank perhaps) but it should be disposed of on the most advantageous terms for the tax player, who after all, are the ones who saved the bloody thing!

What gets me as a shareholder of Lloyds (worked there for a while on a contract and they flashed up the 25p share price daily, so I had a punt) is that now they are beginning to show a profit, nothing is being paid as a dividend. The cynic in me says they are waiting for the govt to sell their interest in the bank so the dividends go to the directors and their mates rather than the taxpayer in the shape of the government...
 

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Since Lloyds were part privatised by the government, they were not allowed to pay any dividends. However, they are in talks over being able to start paying them once again, possibly as soon as the full year results. If the government still has shares in Lloyds then (which is highly likely considering how many they have), then they will benefit.

Anyway, from 1 Lloyds shareholder to another, my advice is keep hold of them, as they haven't finished climbing yet.

PS. It may interest you to know that when the Conservatives sold the first tranche of shares, they did make a profit. The rumour mill is suggesting the next tranche will be roughly the same size (4.2bn shares (6% of the company)), but instead of being sold to investment houses, will be a placement on the stock exchange where anyone can apply to buy them.
 

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From the Guardian

Royal Mail sell-off advisers allocated millions of shares

Shares allocated to advisory banks have risen in value by £29m since floatation

Banks advising the government on the controversial sell-off of Royal Mail were allocated millions of shares that have shown a profit of about £29m since its flotation. The gains come on top of the near £17m handed over to the banks in fees for their advice on the float.

Ministers have revealed that City advisers helping with the flotation were given the opportunity to buy 13m shares in Royal Mail as investors rushed to buy into the new private company.

Since then, the government has been criticised for potentially short-changing the taxpayer by selling the shares at 330p, when they closed on Friday at a new record of 555p, valuing the company at £5.55bn – 67% up in a fortnight.

Vince Cable, the business secretary, has defended the price of the sell-off, saying value for money is "about more than just the level of proceeds received on day one".

A spokesman for the Department of Business said the government's advisers, including Goldman Sachs, UBS and other junior advisers, were not given preferential treatment when shares were allocated and some did not get any at all.

He refused to say how many shares were offered to each adviser. The spokesman stressed that it is "standard practice", saying there was no possibility of a conflict of interest because of "Chinese walls" between different banking divisions.

However, Adrian Bailey, the chairman of the House of Commons business committee and a Labour MP, late Friday raised questions about the process, saying he plans to grill ministers about how many shares were offered to each bank, their level of fees and their role in the valuation of the company.
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I was re-reading the Discworld novel "Going Postal" and this quote gave me a chuckle given some people's worries of the situation.

Lord Vetinari said:
Unfortunately the Post Office came to be seen not as a system for moving the mail efficiently, to the benefit and profit of all, but as a money box. And so it collapsed, losing both mail and money. A lesson for us all, perhaps.
 
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