Rover and Ranger tickets

[BR Traction]

I have heard a rumour somewhere that Rover and Ranger tickets in the UK might no longer be available later this year. Is there any truth in this or is it just speculation and gossip ?. Thank you to anyone who can clarify this rather concerning issue.

 

[stadler]

I have heard a rumour somewhere that Rover and Ranger tickets in the UK might no longer be available later this year. Is there any truth in this or is it just speculation and gossip ?. Thank you to anyone who can clarify this rather concerning issue.

I hope that is not true.

I can not find anything online about any such proposals. Although it would not surprise me with this government. I am sure they would love to scrap rangers and rovers and also roll out the LNER trial nationwide of scrapping return and off-peak and super off-peak and only offering full anytime single or advance single tickets. If they do scrap ranger tickets and rover tickets then it will result in huge price increase for many people.

These tickets offer fantastic value. Without rangers and rovers it can mean needing to buy multiple different tickets if you wish to cover multiple lines. It will also discourage train travel when better value option like this are no longer available.

 

[Haywain]

If they do scrap ranger tickets and rover tickets then it will result in huge price increase for many people.

Outside of the metropolitan areas usage of such tickets is minimal and the number of people affected by scrapping them would barely register. However, I would be very disappointed if there proved to be any truth in this rumour.

 

[Swedenorer]

I hope that is not true. I can not find anything online about any such proposals. Although it would not surprise me with this government. I am sure they would love to scrap rangers and rovers and also roll out the LNER trial nationwide of scrapping return and off peak and super off peak and only offerring full anytime single or advance single tickets. If they do scrap ranger tickets and rover tickets then it will result in huge price increase for many people. These tickets offer fantastic value. Without rangers and rovers it can mean needing to buy multiple different tickets if you wish to cover multiple lines. It will also discourage train travel when better value option like this are no longer available.

I have made extensive use of such tickets but I have wondered for years why they have survived and concluded that so few people know about them that in effect the ticket price is all profit from the few users. I can't remember the last time I saw them publicised.

As for your other point I suspect the political imperatives for such ideas revolve on 1) the situation where 2% of all passenger journeys in the UK are subsidised by public expenditure equivalent to £400 per household per annum in the UK and 2) the complexity of a fares system where the manifest faults, routinely aired on here, can only be easily solved by drastic 'simplification'. Not that I approve of this way of doing it.

 

[MrJeeves]

Certainly not heard anything about this, and some industry systems have even received changes relatively recently to make rangers and rovers even more accessible to passengers soon.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Certainly not heard anything about this, and some industry systems have even received changes relatively recently to make rangers and rovers even more accessible to passengers soon.

That is very encouraging.

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

My guess is that someone in the DfT or LNER has expressed an opinion that revenue maximisation on LNER would be aided by ending the acceptance of regional rovers on LNER services. And by a process of Chinese whispers we get the story told by the OP. Given that we are currently in a period of many fares being frozen by government edict the optics of such a change to rovers would be terrible.

 

[The exile]

Could it also be some wire-crossing of a reaction to the JLR legal challenge (ie the words Ranger and Rover will disappear)?

 

[MrJeeves]

My guess is that someone in the DfT or LNER has expressed an opinion that revenue maximisation on LNER would be aided by ending the acceptance of regional rovers on LNER services.

Probably the same person who suggested that we should put a geographic route on every fare in the country and bin Any Permitted.

 

[Jan Mayen]

Could it also be some wire-crossing of a reaction to the JLR legal challenge (ie the words Ranger and Rover will disappear)?

What is/ was the JLR legal challenge, please?
Edit: Just looked it up. I assume Jaguar Land Rover

 

[The exile]

What is/ was the JLR legal challenge, please?
Edit: Just looked it up. I assume Jaguar Land Rover

Yes - fairly standard abbreviation used in the news etc. Or is it even the company name now?

 

[aron2smith]

Certainly not heard anything about this, and some industry systems have even received changes relatively recently to make rangers and rovers even more accessible to passengers soon.

I really hope this is true and not what the OP says as I get a lot of value out of using rovers. I probably wouldn't go any further north than York or Manchester, if rovers disappeared! Unfortunately, a lot of staff in my area (Greater Anglia) don't seem to know how to sell rovers and often have to phone a more senior member of staff to know how to sell them! So any means of improving availability by buying them online like Scotrail allows or on a ticket machine like Northern allows would be good.

Whatever ticket changes happen in the coming years need to allow flexibility at the heart of everything the railway does and rangers and rovers need to be more properly advertised. If anything, removing these ticket types would not simplify tickets at all, in fact quite the opposite.

 

[Kite159]

My guess is that someone in the DfT or LNER has expressed an opinion that revenue maximisation on LNER would be aided by ending the acceptance of regional rovers on LNER services. And by a process of Chinese whispers we get the story told by the OP. Given that we are currently in a period of many fares being frozen by government edict the optics of such a change to rovers would be terrible.

Flexible ranger/rover style products don't fit with LNER's dream of being an airline on rails where everybody is using booked train only advances. Even if you want to travel between Leeds & Wakefield.

 

[CyrusWuff]

What is/ was the JLR legal challenge, please?
Edit: Just looked it up. I assume Jaguar Land Rover

In short, JLR threatened legal action against the rail industry for Trademark infringement, despite the terms Rail Rover and Rail Ranger having been used since British Rail days and there being zero chance of confusion.

Rather than throwing taxpayers money at it and going to Court, the industry capitulated and switched to using the term "Rover tickets and Ranger tickets."

 

[Mark J]

I used to buy the 'Cherwell Day Ranger' ticket. It worked out cheaper to get to Oxford than a standard off peak day return.

A ticket office clerk once told me they rarely sold those tickets. So me buying that ticket on a weekly basis must of seen the sales figures take a sharp curve upwards.

Unfortunately the ticket was later withdrawn from sale. Replaced by the more expensive 'Oxfordshire Day Ranger'.

It does seem once something becomes popular, or is a known method to save a couple of pounds, then it is withdrawn.

 

[Jan Mayen]

I bought a North Downs Day Ranger today. Clerk mentioned I was the only person to buy rovers or rangers.

 

[Rover]

If they're not marketed properly who's going to know about them?

 

[iamraymond]

Is there a decent way to find which ones are available?

 

[Rover]

www.railrover.org

 

[The exile]

Or indeed the national rail site.

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It does seem once something is a known method to save a couple of pounds, then it is withdrawn.

To be honest, is that surprising? It makes little sense for a day ranger to be cheaper than any one (return) journey you can make using it. Not that I’m going to complain when it is, of course….

 

[MrJeeves]

To be honest, is that surprising? It makes little sense for a day ranger to be cheaper than any one (return) journey you can make using it. Not that I’m going to complain when it is, of course….

This is exactly one of the reasons why the Southern DaySave must be bought in advance of your travel date.

Well, it was a happy coincidence relating to how the tickets were fulfilled originally, as I understand it, but now it serves as a way to get the "true" ticket price for unplanned journeys!

Oh, and it's non-refundable too.

 

[chrisp37]

Funnily enough I was thinking about this the other day when I was in Germany getting good value out of the Länder-Tickets (specifically Schleswig-Holstein and Niedersachsen).

Essentially those tickets allow unlimited travel on the slower regional trains and some other bus/metro services in the region for a day. I was thinking it would be great if the UK had something similar and vaguely recalled the existence of rangers and rovers. I was quite surprised to see how many of them actually exist, albeit (unlike the Länder-Tickets) not well publicised or particularly easy to buy.

 

[The exile]

Funnily enough I was thinking about this the other day when I was in Germany getting good value out of the Länder-Tickets (specifically Schleswig-Holstein and Niedersachsen). Essentially those tickets allow unlimited travel on the slower regional trains and some other bus/metro services in the region for a day. I was thinking it would be great if the UK had something similar and vaguely recalled the existence of rangers and rovers. I was quite surprised to see how many of them actually exist, albeit (unlike the Länder-Tickets) not well publicised or particularly easy to buy.

If it really is only “some” bus/metro services that’s a major step backwards. You used to be able to count the exceptions on the fingers of one hand (things like Airport Express buses).

 

[chrisp37]

If it really is only “some” bus/metro services that’s a major step backwards. You used to be able to count the exceptions on the fingers of one hand (things like Airport Express buses).

It might actually be all of them to be honest. I got a bit confused as the DB app was offering me two slightly different versions of the SH ticket, one of which was apparently valid on more buses/other non-DB services than the other. But because we only needed the ticket for the RE trains and the Hamburg metro I didn't properly get to the bottom of the issue. Certainly the Niedersachsen ticket suggested it was valid on pretty much all public transport (including buses) in the region.

 

[The exile]

It might actually be all of them to be honest. I got a bit confused as the DB app was offering me two slightly different versions of the SH ticket, one of which was apparently valid on more buses/other non-DB services than the other. But because we only needed the ticket for the RE trains and the Hamburg metro I didn't properly get to the bottom of the issue. Certainly the Niedersachsen ticket suggested it was valid on pretty much all public transport (including buses) in the region.

I take it back, I was used to Niedersachsen & Hamburg and, tbh wasn’t usually interested in bus routes. In more recent years it’s been the D-Ticket anyway.

 

[Harpers Tate]

As I have found on a good many occasions (the most recent being only back in January) the "joy" of having a ranger/rover is the option to change plans without notice. The January instance was a trip to and stay in Carlisle to enjoy the WCML diversions via Settle etc.

Plan: arrive Sunday (by rail from Leeds); Monday to Preston & back; Tuesday to Hexham and on (with an additional ticket bought when needed; not in advance) to visit the new Ashington branch; and Wednesday return south to Leeds. Ticket held: Freedom of NW 4in8 to cover all that except beyond Hexham.

Monday train to Preston was cancelled - ran late as empty stock because of frozen toilets.

Imagine attempting to do what we did instead using conventional tickets bought in advance.

We swapped Monday and Tuesday itineraries over. Simple.

Other reasons: (enthusiast example) using or avoiding particular rolling stock. (Other users example) chasing good weather. etc.

 

[185143]

I used to buy the 'Cherwell Day Ranger' ticket. It worked out cheaper to get to Oxford than a standard off peak day return.

A ticket office clerk once told me they rarely sold those tickets. So me buying that ticket on a weekly basis must of seen the sales figures take a sharp curve upwards.

Unfortunately the ticket was later withdrawn from sale. Replaced by the more expensive 'Oxfordshire Day Ranger'.

It does seem once something becomes popular, or is a known method to save a couple of pounds, then it is withdrawn.

I bought one at Wilmslow once! Wonder if that was the only one they ever sold?

 

[Mark J]

Or indeed the national rail site.

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To be honest, is that surprising? It makes little sense for a day ranger to be cheaper than any one (return) journey you can make using it. Not that I’m going to complain when it is, of course….

It was one of those surprise tickets that next to no-one knew about.

Think at that time, a day return to Oxford was £6.40, the Cherwell Day Ranger was around £5 (Railcard prices) and was valid as far as Banbury and Bicester.

I bought one at Wilmslow once! Wonder if that was the only one they ever sold?

Wilmslow?

The station that might be reopened one day!

When East West Rail can get its act together!!

 

[Haywain]

Wilmslow?

The station that might be reopened one day!

When was Wilmslow closed and moved?

When East West Rail can get its act together!!

Perhaps you are thinking of Winslow.

 

[jfollows]

Wilmslow?

The station that might be reopened one day!

When East West Rail can get its act together!!

I think my local station is open now, actually!