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John @ home

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Can anyone provide me with an idiot's guide to how the Routeing maps work
Welcome, doubletrackemble!

I'm afraid you can't start with the maps. They come in towards the end of a rather complex process.

Recently, I tried to explain in this post in this thread how to use the routeing guide, including the maps, for a Blackwater - London journey.

Read that thread to see if it improves your understanding. It would also be useful to read ATOC's How to use the National Routeing Guide. Then come back to the forum with your questions.

And don't worry about making mistakes. We're all still learning. See this recent thread, where my initial opinion was completely wrong!

Once again, welcome and thanks for the question.

John
 
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Thanks for the reply, with links to where you have comprehensively set this out before. I have in particular gone through the 'Steps' in the ATOC guide, and have a better understanding.
I was doing a check for a Cardiff-Derby journey, and whether travel via Hereford is acceptable.
On the pink pages they are both Routeing Points, and on the yellow it says BD+CE and just CE. On BD you can travel from Card to Hereford, and then on CE you can travel from Hereford to Derby so does this mean via Hereford is valid in this instance?
Am I broadly working them out the right way - I know there's a lot more guidance etc for me to read still.
 

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I was doing a check for a Cardiff-Derby journey, and whether travel via Hereford is acceptable.
On the pink pages they are both Routeing Points, and on the yellow it says BD+CE and just CE. On BD you can travel from Card to Hereford, and then on CE you can travel from Hereford to Derby so does this mean via Hereford is valid in this instance?

Spot on. You've read that correctly. If you make sure the trains you take match the route you've 'drawn' then you're fine. Map CE says you have to travel from Worcester to Birmingham either via Smethwick or both Cheltemham and Barnt Green (not Worcester-Barnt Green-Birmingham direct).
 
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Thanks for confirming, although I hadn't picked up on the Worcester to Birm routing issue. The CE map clearly shows that you can't route direct from Worcester to Barnt Green (thus via Bromsgrove) but have to route via Cheltenham. This is illogical though, and doesn't link with the fact that on NR Enquiry website the 2130 from Hereford to Birmingham (via Bromsgrove) is shown as a recommended route to carry out the journey at that time. Is it the case that if NRE lists a route in its timetables it will always be regarded as valid over and above what the routing process might show?
 

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Good. As krus_aragon says, you have correctly interpreted the Routeing Guide for that journey.
Thanks for confirming, although I hadn't picked up on the Worcester to Birm routing issue.
Neither had I. Well done to krus_aragon for spotting it! But in this particular case it doesn't create a problem. The reason is that Cardiff - Hereford - Bromsgrove - Derby is not more than 3 miles longer than the shortest route between Cardiff and Derby. I explained recently:
The routeing guide says that you can travel on:

1. the shortest route, or
2. a route not more than 3 miles longer than the shortest route, or
3. a through train, or
4. a mapped route, or
5. a route permitted by an easement.
But this does raise the issue of how you find out whether a route is the shortest, or within 3 miles of the shortest. The Routeing Guide contains the definition.
National Routeing Guide said:
The shortest route is calculated by reference to the National Rail Timetable.
http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/RSPDocuments/instructions.pdf
The National Rail Timetable is here (58.8Mb). Note that the distances in the NRT must be used even though this is not a particularly user-friendly method and the distances are not the most accurate available. I start by using one of the on-line railway distance calculators, and then by checking the figures given there against the NRT. In this instance, I used Clive's on-line Routeing Engine (CoRE), which Clive Feather wrote about ten years ago.

CoRE states that the shortest route is Cardiff Central - Newport (Gwent) - Severn Tunnel Junction - Gloucester - Cheltenham Spa - Ashchurch - Bromsgrove - Barnt Green - Kings Norton - University - Birmingham New Street - Water Orton - Tamworth - Burton-on-Trent - Peartree - Derby and gives a distance of 149 miles 43 chains. CoRE indicated the route via Hereford and Bromsgrove is longer by just under 2 miles, so I confirmed this with NRT:
National Rail Timetable: Cardiff Central - Derby said:
Shortest route
Cardiff Central - Newport (South Wales) - Gloucester - Cheltenham Spa - Ashchurch - (avoiding Worcester Shrub Hill) - Birmingham New Street - Water Orton - Wilnecote - Tamworth - Burton-on-Trent - Willington - Derby
Table 57
Cardiff Central = 0 miles. Ashchurch = 70.25 miles. Distance = 70.25 miles.
Ashchurch = 53.5 miles. Birmingham New Street (avoiding Worcester Shrub Hill) = 92.75 miles. Distance = 39.25 miles.
Birmingham New Street = 112 miles. Derby = 152.75 miles. Distance = 40.75 miles.
Total distance = 150.25 miles.

Route via Hereford and Bromsgrove
Cardiff Central - Newport (South Wales) - Cwmbran - Pontypool - Abergavenny - Hereford - Worcester Shrub Hill - Bromsgrove - Birmingham New Street - Water Orton - Wilnecote - Tamworth - Burton-on-Trent - Willington - Derby
Table 131
Cardiff Central = 0 miles. Hereford = 55.25 miles. Distance = 55.25 miles.
Table 71
Hereford = 0 miles. Birmingham New Street via Bromsgrove = 54.5 miles. Distance = 54.5 miles.
Table 57
Birmingham New Street = 112 miles. Derby = 152.75 miles. Distance = 40.75 miles.
Total distance = 150.5 miles.
Therefore Cardiff - Derby via Hereford and Bromsgrove is a permitted route.
This is illogical
Unfortunately, a great many of the rules relating to railway fares, tickets and routeing in Great Britain are illogical.
on NR Enquiry website the 2130 from Hereford to Birmingham (via Bromsgrove) is shown as a recommended route to carry out the journey at that time. Is it the case that if NRE lists a route in its timetables it will always be regarded as valid over and above what the routing process might show?
In a case such as this, we advise people to print out the itinerary from National Rail or the ticket selling site and carry it on their journey, showing it if challenged. We have not yet heard of a case where this has not been accepted as evidence that the itinerary is valid.
 
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Useful mileage analysis there to confirm the permitted route, although as you say, not exactly easy to do. Wouldn't it make more sense for the CE map to be amended to allow Worcester direct to Bromsgrove. I appreicate there are many other services affected by this but I can't see how it would cause a problem? How often are the maps updated?
 
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