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Route knowledge on a diversionary route

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As far as I know, on any occasion Marylebone is totally closed for engineering work, trains would be diverted to Paddington. Maintaining route knowledge was the primary reason for the former one train each weekday Chiltern service between South Ruislip and Paddington.
Now that those trains while still utilizing the New North Line are diverted at Greenford to terminate at West Ealing, how do Chiltern drivers maintain route knowledge to Paddington?
 
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As far as I know, on any occasion Marylebone is totally closed for engineering work, trains would be diverted to Paddington. Maintaining route knowledge was the primary reason for the former one train each weekday Chiltern service between South Ruislip and Paddington.
Now that those trains while still utilizing the New North Line are diverted at Greenford to terminate at West Ealing, how do Chiltern drivers maintain route knowledge to Paddington?
The simplest explanation is that they’d cab ride GWR. The complicated answer is that when they diverted to Paddington they hired freight drivers anyway. The even more complicated answer is that in the long term, with Crossrail’s full timetable running, such diversions might never be possible.
 

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The 6 month rule was an old BR standard. This was removed some years ago. (still kinda used as a guide for some)
If we've not been on a particular route or traction for six months then a refresher goes in. No refresher, no go.
 

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I assume the route knowledge is gained by driving with another driver who knows the route. How does it work on a completely brand new route? By driving up and down without passengers a number of times?
 

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I assume the route knowledge is acquired by driving with another driver who knows the route. How does it work on a completely brand new route? By driving up and down without passengers a number of times?
No. On a new route you are given a certain amount of days to learn it. Take Norwich-Cambridge, that's 10 days. You are then given a route paper exam & accompanied by a driver manager for a return trip & then sign that you are competent for the route. It is rare that it is anything other than riding up front on a service train.
 

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The 6 month rule was an old BR standard. This was removed some years ago. (still kinda used as a guide for some)

Cheers -I have a freight driver mate who said he needed to do a "6 monthly" on one of his obscure routes so assumed that was the rule.
 
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How does this work on a brand new line (such as Edinburgh to Tweedbank) ?
No-one, either driver or instructor,will have driven it before but someone has to be the first.
 

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How does this work on a brand new line (such as Edinburgh to Tweedbank) ?
No-one, either driver or instructor,will have driven it before but someone has to be the first.

I imagine the first run would be done fairly slowly with a couple of managers/instructor drivers, and a route map.
 

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Cheers -I have a freight driver mate who said he needed to do a "6 monthly" on one of his obscure routes so assumed that was the rule.

Everything, as always, is governed by the (RGS) Group standards. The 6 month rule goes back to 90 something but was removed and it was decided that as long as the Driver feels competent to drive it then nothing prevents them from doing so.

TOCs, as most people know, tend to be a bit on the lazy side so they keep to old rules and old standards. There is nothing wrong with this. What also happens is that each TOC must have a specific set of standards for route learning and Driver competency. How they do that is pretty much down to the TOC and as long as it meets group standards then all is good.

I have various routes on my card that I haven't driven in years. My last one I drove with a huge gap between was a gap of just under 2yrs. I'm happy to keep the route on my license. Some routes you pull as quick as possible. 6 months is still used by TOCs and some TOCs have built in refresher days, some don't. Some of our Drivers still stick to the 6 month rule, some aren't too bothered. If the TOCs standards state they must have a driving a route within the 6 month period or require a refresher then that's what rule they follow.

Routes are easier to retain the more experience you have. I had an extended time off and wanted a refresher for all routes. Within a few stations, it felt natural. Another Driver pointed out that because I've driven it so much over the years it really is 'like riding a bike' For newer Drivers they need refreshers as they are building up experience and are still learning.

Hope that helps
 
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