RMT Talks

[Marcel7179]

Well depends how quick your payroll are ballots have to be done by 25th of sept
my time sheets are done on the 6th of October to be paid on the 11th at EMR so don’t how quick it could be done.

Last time wasn’t it all done over 2 pays you payrise then all Your overtime was worked out after

Thank you

 

[Komma]

At LNWR all our backdated pay and overtime were in the next pay run. Payroll will be making 2 sets of pay, one with and one without the pay rise. The last vote went through 8 days before our pay date and the increase and overtime were paid in 8 days later.

 

[iecc2001]

Network Rail talks finished for the day and will resume tomorrow…email sent out at 17:01

 

[GardenRail]

Network Rail talks finished for the day and will resume tomorrow…email sent out at 17:01

Still nothing........?

 

[RogueOne]

The new staff pass talks is that them pressing for free travel across all tocs?

I mean, why not?! We'll all be working for GBR soon.. just add in all of TFL for good measure!

 

[DJP78]

Will this mean that the DfT will eventually try and resuscitate all that was unpopular with the original RDG proposal?

As others post, hopefully amicable adult conversations will now take place to design future changes.

Can see some obvious benefits to a GBR amalgamation of railway functions but am also cautious to see how this impacts workers & passengers.

Most importantly, any meaningful change; digitisation, technology and resilience improvements, will demand investment. Let’s hope the statement you refer to isn’t code word for cost cutting!

 

[Pcoftw]

Does anyone know if depot drivers benefit from the drivers pay rise?

 

[LowLevel]

Does anyone know if depot drivers benefit from the drivers pay rise?

Yes, generally.

 

[dk1]

Does anyone know if depot drivers benefit from the drivers pay rise?

Certainly do at my TOC.

 

[mac]

So what's people's thoughts on the NR offer of 4.5%

 

[class442]

So what's people's thoughts on the NR offer of 4.5%

Happy that there is finally progress. Surprised that the minimum uplift has gone.

 

[mac]

Me to it doesn't seem like a good deal for lower grades

 

[class442]

Me to it doesn't seem like a good deal for lower grades

Having just done the maths I would have been slightly better off with the minimum uplift of £1275 on the previous offer, than this 4.5% increase.

Edit: while this difference is tiny for me, I agree, this deal is quite a bit worse for those on say £21k.

 

[iecc2001]

4.5% for Network Rail staff poorest offer given over the 3 years. We needed 5.05% to be on parity with th Drivers pay deal and they gave nothing away we gave away a few things on attendance management. Historically we have been Nov RPI which was 5.3% so again poorest deal handed out but not going to strike for half a percent.

 

[MalaiseForever]

So what's people's thoughts on the NR offer of 4.5%

Good deal and should be accepted. Will also unlock bonuses.

 

[Terry1989]

I’d have thought they would have included next years offer seems as this took forever.

 

[mac]

Roughly 14 weeks until the start of next years pay increase and know mention of it, this deal wouldn't have been accepted from a Conservative government

 

[12LDA28C]

4.5% for Network Rail staff poorest offer given over the 3 years. We needed 5.05% to be on parity with th Drivers pay deal and they gave nothing away we gave away a few things on attendance management. Historically we have been Nov RPI which was 5.3% so again poorest deal handed out but not going to strike for half a percent.

Pointless referencing historical pay rises linked to RPI. Pretty much everyone who's a realist has accepted that those kind of increases are a thing of the past, which is why the drivers are looking likely to accept their offer which is well below inflation rates since 2022.

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I’d have thought they would have included next years offer seems as this took forever.

How can any mention be made of next year's pay offer? Check your calendar - it's September 2024.

 

[45107]

4.5% for Network Rail staff poorest offer given over the 3 years. We needed 5.05% to be on parity with th Drivers pay deal and they gave nothing away we gave away a few things on attendance management. Historically we have been Nov RPI which was 5.3% so again poorest deal handed out but not going to strike for half a percent.

Why do you consider that you need parity with jobs/grades that aren't employed by your company ?
The TOC’s and Network Rail are separate entities (until GBR kicks in, then wait for disputes over harmonisation of conditions/wages)
i’m sure that as a Network Rail employee you were happy to take various bonus/share payments that drivers weren’t entitled to, and did not raise any issue over that.

 

[mac]

After checking my calendar it's taken a year to negotiate this pay increase and the next one is due in 14 weeks so definitely time to start talking about next year offer

 

[Pcoftw]

Yes, generally.

Certainly do at my TOC.

do either of you know if this is the case for SE or SWR?

 

[dk1]

do either of you know if this is the case for SE or SWR?

Sorry I don’t.

 

[12LDA28C]

After checking my calendar it's taken a year to negotiate this pay increase and the next one is due in 14 weeks so definitely time to start talking about next year offer

Commencing discussions behind the scenes - possibly. Including actual numbers as part of this year's (delayed) pay offer? Of course not.

 

[Terry1989]

Pointless referencing historical pay rises linked to RPI. Pretty much everyone who's a realist has accepted that those kind of increases are a thing of the past, which is why the drivers are looking likely to accept their offer which is well below inflation rates since 2022.

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How can any mention be made of next year's pay offer? Check your calendar - it's September 2024.

Yes I’m well aware how a calendar works, 17 of September today

But other offers have come through for this year and next?

Pointless referencing historical pay rises linked to RPI. Pretty much everyone who's a realist has accepted that those kind of increases are a thing of the past, which is why the drivers are looking likely to accept their offer which is well below inflation rates since 2022.

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How can any mention be made of next year's pay offer? Check your calendar - it's September 2024.

I know how to use a calender…

But with it being 14/15 weeks away why could they not have included a proposal for next year also?

I suppose we can just continue this thread in January through to September of next year too

 

[Stephen42]

Yes I’m well aware how a calendar works, 17 of September today

But other offers have come through for this year and next?

I know how to use a calender…

But with it being 14/15 weeks away why could they not have included a proposal for next year also?

I suppose we can just continue this thread in January through to September of next year too

Most public sector pay awards have been for the 2024/2025 financial year and previous years where applicable. Departmental funding for 2025/2026 won't be confirmed until the October budget, this makes approving expenditure for the next financial year harder and a process that takes longer.

Given the frustrations with a 4 week delay between talks and formal offer, I can't imagine anyone being thrilled with a much longer delay to try to include something for next year as well. Many pay anniversary dates will be later in the year and will be longer than 15 weeks away.

 

[12LDA28C]

But other offers have come through for this year and next?

Nobody has received any kind of pay offer for next year. Where figures are quoted for '2024-25' this simply refers to the pay offer/award for 2024, i.e. this year only unless a multi-year deal has been agreed. You'll be very lucky to see any discussions for next year's pay awards before the associated anniversary date, eg April 2025.

 

[Bald Rick]

I’ve heard a suggestion that the RMT have put this out to a vote and are recommending acceptance - can anyone confirm?

 

[KNN]

I’ve heard a suggestion that the RMT have put this out to a vote and are recommending acceptance - can anyone confirm?

Someone has put the letter earlier on in this thread

 

[43066]

I’ve heard a suggestion that the RMT have put this out to a vote and are recommending acceptance - can anyone confirm?

Someone has put the letter earlier on in this thread

Still awaiting movement on the NR side I think?

 

[demigod19]

Haven’t seen any formal communication shared here