Purple Train
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They have such history of messing up that, really, Devon Loch is the Labour of horse racing (1956 wasn't it?)
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Rishi Sunak and the Conservative Party.
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brad465
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The beginning of WWIII could, if things with Russia, China and/or the Middle East escalate further. However I don't see that happening in the next year, and even if it did and the Tories could postpone an election, they'd be expected to form a Government of National Unity, focus on the war effort and nothing else, and 1945 showed being the party with the victorious wartime PM is not a guarantee of winning a delayed election in any case.
nlogax
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Cabinet reshuffle now confirmed to be underway. Not before time. Almost certainly this is where Braverman's 2024 leadership campaign unofficially begins.
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Oh.. there we go. Braverman's been binned again.
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Oh.. there we go. Braverman's been binned again.
Rishi Sunak sacks Suella Braverman as home secretary
The former cabinet minister was accused of stoking tensions ahead of pro-Palestinian protests at the weekend.
www.bbc.co.uk
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brad465
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Better late than never, but too late to stop her laying a wreath yesterday.
Peterthegreat
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The Tory civil war continues......
nlogax
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Watching David Cameron stroll back into No. 10 was..unexpected. New Foreign Sec maybe?
Preceded by media rubbish from Sky: "Guess who we have just seen walking along Downing Street?". No, it's your job to tell us. Followed by media people interrupting each other because they were so excited when I was trying to listen to sensible comment. They shouldn't be allowed out in such a state of excitement!
edwin_m
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Hopefully she's been told that she'll lose the whip should she cause any more trouble. Which would prevent her standing as a Tory in the next election and make her path to leadership dependent on the leader at the time getting her back into the Commons at a by-election.
dangie
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From the BBC:
It's understood to be part of a wider cabinet reshuffle that the PM will use to "strengthen his team in government"
Best send for Arnold Schwarzenegger then.
nlogax
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Screams of desperation on Sunak's part.. severe lack of (relatively speaking) stable, middle-of-the-road MPs in the current Tory party.
Peterthegreat
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Most of them were sacked by Johnson.
The key message would be that there's nobody from the 350 Conservative MPs who's good enough to do the job.
nlogax
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They can. Make him a provisional peer until it can be made official, job done.
It's taken a year for Sunak to stick up two fingers to Boris Johnson and Liz Truss and most of what they stood for and caused, but I believe it's the only way to minimise Conservative losses at the next election.
If he makes it clear that he's not going to care much about what the right of the party says and does, that will be nice for the rest of us.
He shouldn't have appointed Braverman in the first place, in my opinion, but obviously he felt he had to at the time.
If he makes it clear that he's not going to care much about what the right of the party says and does, that will be nice for the rest of us.
He shouldn't have appointed Braverman in the first place, in my opinion, but obviously he felt he had to at the time.
dangie
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One would think that if you were a currently serving Conservative MP, who within the last twelve years have not been offered a ministerial post, you can't really be much good.
Gloster
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So Cameron is Foreign Secretary. Is Sunak doing it just to annoy Johnson?
Rishi Sunak’s reshuffle: Who is in the prime minister’s cabinet?
A rundown of the people in Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's cabinet, with new faces, as well as those who have changed roles.
www.bbc.co.uk
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nlogax
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Confirmed. Cameron is new Foreign Sec.
Nicholas Lewis
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Utter corruption the idiot that got this country into the mess its in gets given a life peerage just so they can appoint him as Foreign Secretary. Oh and from the man who slated Sunaks decision over HS2 only a few weeks ago is prepared to cuddle up to him now.
James Cleverly does not want to leave the European Convention on Human Rights.
David Cameron is in favour of positive dialogue with China, not blustering rhetoric.
Both of those could signal a positive move away from isolationist rhetoric and actions which have been the norm since 2016 or so. In which case I'm in favour of the changes. Not enough to save the Conservatives, I doubt, but moves in the right direction. And two fingers to Boris Johnson!
EDIT And if Coffey gets the boot as well, as predicted, that'll please me even more.
David Cameron is in favour of positive dialogue with China, not blustering rhetoric.
Both of those could signal a positive move away from isolationist rhetoric and actions which have been the norm since 2016 or so. In which case I'm in favour of the changes. Not enough to save the Conservatives, I doubt, but moves in the right direction. And two fingers to Boris Johnson!
EDIT And if Coffey gets the boot as well, as predicted, that'll please me even more.
nlogax
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I'm keenly waiting for Coffey to be shown the door. She's absolutely dreadful.
Cameron was not perfect, but the Tory party was a LOT different under his leadership and I voted for him. This was a better time for the party, and some stability and a move away from the far right is needed for the Tories to become electable again.
However, like you say, I don't think it will be enough to save them from a massive defeat next year.. nor am I going to suddenly vote Tory again just because of this (there's still loads more damage to be undone - plus the party as it stands does not represent my views or values) but this is a step in the
James Cleverly is/was a massive Johnson supporter though so would have a good chance of being Conservative leader if the Tories lose the election. I have no idea if he has leadership ambitions though or if he will even stand at next year's election.
My current assumption is that if the Tories lose the election, their next leader will be either Braverman, Badenoch or someone else like Cleverly or Barclay.
Nicholas Lewis
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He was the arch Remainer now cuddling up to the Brexiteer!! Tells me Torys are beginning to accept what a mess they've made of it and trying to present themselves as ome sort of middle ground party again.
What we need though is for a right wing revolution to split the Torys apart but wont happen as they are incapable of confronting their own failures and it will need a GE to make that happen now. So we limp along for another year.
I don't get why people still think this about David Cameron TBH. He is even on record as backing the Rwanda deportations plan recently. I can understand why people particularly floating voters supported him in 2010 but his behaviour from 2013 onwards when he started pandering to UKIP/ the Tory right and after the Scottish referendum was terrible. Cameron, Johnson and Sunak are all as bad as each other in my book. In a weird way I don't think Theresa May was so bad as those three in hindsight even though she did controversial things as Home secretary and caused some damage to Britain's reputation in the immediate aftermath of the Brexit referendum.
Rishi's actions (and speeches) relating to Ireland/NI shows that he's clearly aware of the damage of leaving the EU and the benefits of being in. I doubt any Brexiteer within the Government ever thought it was going to be good for the country, but was a great opportunity to make a lot of money.
Now it's clear how bad Brexit has been AND the fact that most people are not talking about it anymore (for fear of being found out as someone who voted for it), I think we'll see a more subtle move to work more closely with the EU. Not re-joining, but certainly seeking to undo the damage and perhaps sell it as us using our sovereignty and influence to get the nasty EU to drop its restrictions (and basically just seeking to return to a customs union and allowing freedom of movement).
I don't think we're there yet, but I think we're heading that way. Slowly.
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Yes, it is sickening that they were all so scared about the internal divisions and decided to sell their souls to tolerate and even support the far-right elements, who then got emboldened and got us to where we are today. I mean, we never needed to have a referendum in the first place, least of all just accepting the result without any further clarification (such as what sort of Brexit people wanted, because the one we got isn't what people at the time said they were going to do).
However, that's why I am not voting Tory now but did then.
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