Right to bear Arms- Do you support this?

[J-2739]

I know I have made one too many threads and polls these past few days, but I feel this is a serious thing we need to discuss.

Quite recently (but not too recently) we had the Orlando shootings in the USA, with claimed 49 innocent lives. In addition to the that, we've had many police attacks as well as white vs black wars, nearly all down to the firearm and most in the USA. These are all upsetting events that many continue to mourn upon and is the subject of debate in many societies. I, for one, don't see the gun situation changing there due to the Second Amendment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
However, there are also some claimed benefits, such as protection against criminals, use as a sport, and finally armed police.

I honestly don't have an opinion on guns so I am 'don't know'.

However, what is your opinion on this?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Do you think gamers should be allowed to bear a firearm?

Can you clarify exactly what is meant by this? My grandchildren are fond of tradtitional games, such as Snakes and Ladders, but I see no reason why their parents should arm them...:roll:

 

[backontrack]

Can you clarify exactly what is meant by this? My grandchildren are fond of tradtitional games, such as Snakes and Ladders, but I see no reason why their parents should arm them...:roll:

What about Cluedo?

 

[GB]

However, what is your opinion on this?

Do you think all police should be allowed to bear a firearm?#

All Police no, more armed police yes.

Do you think gamers should be allowed to bear a firearm?

Not sure what the point of this question is.

Do you think everyone should be allowed to bear a firearm?

Everyone no

This excludes criminals.

I'll be glad to hear all your opinions.

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However, what is your opinion on this?

Do you think all police should be allowed to bear a firearm?#

All Police no, more armed police yes.

Do you think gamers should be allowed to bear a firearm?

Not sure what the point of this question is.

Do you think everyone should be allowed to bear a firearm?

Everyone no

This excludes criminals.

I'll be glad to hear all your opinions.

Your poll question does not make much sense to me either.

 

[J-2739]

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Your poll question does not make much sense to me either.

I'll edit my poll question, and make it shorter.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

However, there are also some claimed benefits, such as protection against criminals....

I am sure that someone with legal knowledge who will give the answer to this in terms of Law currently applying.

Remember the 1999 case of Tony Martin shooting a burglar?

 

[AlterEgo]

Do I support firearms? In which context?

The question makes no sense.

 

[J-2739]

-I need a title edit-

I meant in similar to the USA where you can go out and buy a gun and police are equipped with them, as in use for self defence.

I'm already starting to regret making this thread and poll.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Under very strict terms and conditions with an annual assessment to see if you are still capable of understanding the dangers, yes i would

 

[me123]

The question "Do you support firearms" is quite open, but on the whole I am opposed to firearms. The vast majority of people do not need to have guns in their lives, and there is little merit in the argument that guns promote safety. Citizens should not be armed, and thankfully in these isles we do not need to be armed.

I'm not entirely sure why you originally asked about gamers - certainly giving a gun to a 12 year old "Call of Duty" fanatic seems irresponsible, to say the least. Perhaps you mean genuine firearm sports like clay pigeon shooting, in which case limited firearm availability to legitimate sportspeople is reasonable subject to various stringent checks and safety measures; including but not limited to background checks, references from the sporting club that the member belongs to to confirm that it is to be used for that sport, and steps to ensure that the gun is stored safely and securely.

As for the police, yes we do need armed police. In spite of our strong firearms legislation there is an illegal market in guns, and in some situations I accept that the police may need to use a gun for the protection of public safety. One recent case was the attack in Nice, where the offender was shot to protect members of the public. I think this is a necessity.
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I meant in similar to the USA where you can go out and buy a gun and police are equipped with them, as in use for self defence.

Absolutely not. There is no need for civilians to have guns.

 

[GB]

I am sure that someone with legal knowledge who will give the answer to this in terms of Law currently applying.

Remember the 1999 case of Tony Martin shooting a burglar?

I'm not a lawyer but I believe you are allowed to use reasonable and justified force to defend your self. However that entirely depends on the circumstances. If you injure or kill someone then you will have to answer for it.

Tony Martin killed an unarmed intruder using a firearm while they were fleeing. He had no legal right to posses his firearm.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I'm not a lawyer but I believe you are allowed to use reasonable and justified force to defend your self.

Does that legal terminology include the use of legally owned firearms ?

 

[GB]

Does that legal terminology include the use of legally owned firearms ?

As I say, depends entirely on the circumstances. If you shoot someone who is giving a family member a vicious beating then probably yes. Or if the assailants were themselves also armed with a firearm and using it in a threatening manner then probably yes. Shooting some one with their back turned against you probably not.

Another grey area is if your legally owned firearm was already loaded with the intent to use it in such circumstances. I don't believe the courts look to kindly on that.

Far different to the USA's stand your ground laws.

Pepper spray/mace/pepper balls would be pretty good as an alternative for home defense, but these are also illegal in the UK

 

[Johnnie2Sheds]

I am of the opinion that, if the British were allowed to arm themselves, bodies would be in heaps on street corners.

 

[yorkie]

Not a particularly well worded thread, but I've voted no, because any other option is bonkers, and obviously no sane person would want to become like the USA in this respect.

-I need a title edit-.

Then click Edit on the original post, then click Go Advanced.

 

[Harbornite]

The second amendment needs amending and there is definitely an issue with US gun culture and the relationship that Americans have with guns. Am outright ban might not be the right thing to do but introducing tighter controls would be a start.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

Not far from here, a 'starting pistol' will be used to trigger a race.
A little further away, agricultural workers will use rifles to shoot rabbits on their land.
Just beyond them, there is a military rifle practice range.
And a bit further north, while the grouse season is active, there's shooting of them and other game birds.

Was any of this included in your 'poll'?

 

[yorkie]

I'm guessing "gamers" (as mentioned originally) was meant to be "gamekeepers". There is a slight difference between the two...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer

A gamer is someone who plays interactive games, usually video games, although games can also come in other forms, such as tabletop or physical games

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamekeeper

A gamekeeper (often abbreviated to keeper) is a person who manages an area of countryside to make sure there is enough game for shooting, or fish for angling, and who actively manages areas of woodland, moorland, waterway or farmland for the benefit of game birds, deer, fish and wildlife in general.

I know quite a few gamers, none of whom should be permitted to possess or bear firearms in my opinion

 

[J-2739]

Was any of this included in your 'poll'?

Why did you put 'poll' in quotation marks? Tell me then, what is illegitimate about this poll I created.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

- illegitimate -

eh?

I was hoping you could help with some clarification; and also that my illustrations will help you and others in how to approach some of the issues raised in the thread.
I still am hopeful.

 

[Seacook]

I do not think that every adult should be able to buy a firearm as a right. Some adults should be permitted to hold some types of firearm, provided they meet restrictions such as complete and proper training having been taken, having no criminal record, and providing a secure place for storage.

 

[J-2739]

eh?

I was hoping you could help with some clarification; and also that my illustrations will help you and others in how to approach some of the issues raised in the thread.
I still am hopeful.

Ok, I get you, sorry.

I meant as in self-defence and if it is right that every person employed in law enforcement to possess a firearm.

 

[Flamingo]

I was in the US a while ago, and talking to a strong Second Amendment supporter (Retired Lt Col, PhD, thinks Trump is the answer to a nations prayer, goes nowhere without at least a pistol). He wanted to know, that in view of the risk that Terrorists posed to trains, what sidearms the train-crews in the UK were issued with. I told him I had a whistle.

Maybe we should have a poll on how many people think that traincrew should carry firearms...

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I have no need for ursine forelimbs, the human ones I have do just fine...

 

[me123]

Maybe we should have a poll on how many people think that traincrew should carry firearms...

Could make "Disputes and Prosecutions" more interesting if nothing else...

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America is meaningless to anyone living in Britain and we have to abide by the laws of this country.

Of course, anyone is free to have an opinion on how matters can be or should be in another country, but an airing of that personal opinion is all that can be achieved and will have no influence whatsoever on the laws of that land. A good reverse comparison were the calls from abroad that Sharia Law be valid in Britain and we all know what short shrift that particular aspiration received in Britain.

 

[TheEdge]

Could make "Disputes and Prosecutions" more interesting if nothing else...

Probably quieter

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[Bald Rick]

Probably quieter

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Exactly what I thought of when I read the thread title!

Besides, I like to bare arms. Otherwise I get too hot in this weather.

 

[Busaholic]

A few years ago I was talking to a police constable while waiting for an ambulance to take me to hospital after I'd been mugged, and I brought up the subject of arming the police. He looked at me in horror and replied that he'd never go along with it as he considered most PCs could not be entrusted with the responsibility. I was surprised by the way he framed his answer, but I do think the routine arming of police in this country would lead to many more deaths, both of police officers and some of those who come into contact with them.

As for the USA, there seems to be no hope that their elected representatives can unbury their heads from the sand on the subject of guns. It's a collective madness and invoking the Constitution is but a smokescreen: where there's a will there's a way, but there is no will thanks to the gun lobby.

 

[Bevan Price]

I think that the private possession of guns & other weapons should be prohibited. That includes their use for murdering defenceless birds, etc. To enable farmers to curb pests such as rabbits or foxes, there should be a facility to hire (at reasonable cost) trained soldier maksmen - these are likely to be better "shots" than amateurs, and so less likely to cause excessive suffering by the animals.

And for the grouse moor owners, etc., who say they will lose money, I say "tough" - there are better ways to earn money from that land.