Revenue officer powers

[notadriver]

Does anyone know whether railway revenue inspectors have the same powers as bus revenue inspectors? Are they allowed to hold a train if there is a ticketing irregularity or report drivers for not wearing a tie?

 

[Ferret]

Does anyone know whether railway revenue inspectors have the same powers as bus revenue inspectors? Are they allowed to hold a train if there is a ticketing irregularity or report drivers for not wearing a tie?

Eh? Is this a serious question?!

 

[rail-britain]

It is possible for a Revenue Protection Officer to request the BTP attend
The train may be held if there is a safety issue or concern, that may affect other passengers

However, simply fare evasion would not be a valid reason, and if the train was held then that TOC would be liable for any delays incurred by other TOCs
Therefore if no other TOC would be affected, then it is possible the train be held until Police attend

Any person can report an employee for not wearing their uniform, and applies to any industry
The uniform is provided to be worn at all times whilst on duty, unless there are reasonable grounds for not doing so
Off duty, the uniform should be covered up and not visible

 

[GB]

Who in their right mind would report a colleague for not wearing the correct uniform??

 

[12CSVT]

I think I'm correct in saying that revenue staff only have powers to check tickets whilst on railway premises, unless it was a case of fraud (or suspected fraud) where the police were involved.
As for reporting a driver for not wearing a tie that would be the Train Crew Manager's job.

 

[notadriver]

Who in their right mind would report a colleague for not wearing the correct uniform??

That is what bus revenue inspectors can do to bus drivers.

 

[transportphoto]

That is what bus revenue inspectors can do to bus drivers.

Slight difference me thinks...

 

[rail-britain]

As for reporting a driver for not wearing a tie that would be the Train Crew Manager's job

It usually gets passed around when someone is seen not wearing company uniform, yet the line Manager never catches them!
Any other manager could then be asked to report it if they see this person failing to wear their uniform, the line Manager then turning up unannounced

 

[notadriver]

Slight difference me thinks...

Apart from driving different types of vehicle - what is the difference?

 

[Tom B]

That is what bus revenue inspectors can do to bus drivers.

However, bus inspectors generally have a different role to a railway ticket inspector. The latter checks and sells tickets. The former supervises drivers, perhaps does service control, minor repairs etc as well as checking tickets.

 

[notadriver]

Thanks! That explains it a lot better!

 

[rail-britain]

However, bus inspectors generally have a different role to a railway ticket inspector

I was under the impression it was a comparison between a Bus Inspector and Railway Revenue Protection Officer, and they duties they could perform

I do agree that a Bus Inspector role is more varied, whereas a Railway Revenue Protection Officer is more specific
However the core duties are essentially the same

 

[the sniper]

Apart from driving different types of vehicle - what is the difference?

Pretty obvious really, a bus driver is in a windowed box on view to anyone who boards the bus. By comparison, a train driver is rarely seen by his/her passengers.

 

[CarterUSM]

Who in their right mind would report a colleague for not wearing the correct uniform??

Grasses, everywhere! It's like the stasi out there sometimes.

 

[First class]

The "railway" can extend to rail replacement buses, trains, stations and even land in the middle of nowhere.

Any railway employee can use reasonable force to detain you there if s/he thinks the situation requires it. This is quite often used, for example, to grab hold of someone attempting to run away.

Legally, you're covered, however, your employer may or may not approve of it.

Railway Revenue Protection Officers have much greater powers than any other transport provider, mainly down to the Conditions of Carriage, Railway Byelaws, Regulation of Railways Act 1889, Transport Act 2000, elements of PACE (Police Act 2005) which allow the Inspector to interview under caution and the Fraud Act 2006.

There is so much legislation available to back the "railway" up.

 

[bluenoxid]

Grasses, everywhere! It's like the stasi out there sometimes.

There is a serious difference between a tie and "safety equipment".

 

[Greenback]

I don't care if the driver of my train wears a tie or not! I just care about whether he is a professional driver who is properly rested and competent to drive!

 

[CarterUSM]

There is a serious difference between a tie and "safety equipment".

Of course there is, but i know of some staff/passengers who cannot wait to phone in with the news that a member of staff isn't wearing a tie. Shock, horror!

 

[12CSVT]

Of course there is, but i know of some staff/passengers who cannot wait to phone in with the news that a member of staff isn't wearing a tie. Shock, horror!

Perhaps more important to report any safety critical personnel not wearing safety shoes (or a hi-viz if by the trackside).

 

[CarterUSM]

Perhaps more important to report any safety critical personnel not wearing safety shoes (or a hi-viz if by the trackside).

I suppose, but to be honest, i couldn't care less if one of my colleagues chooses not to wear safety shoes, or a tie. I'm not their boss, or their mother as it were.

 

[PinzaC55]

Who in their right mind would report a colleague for not wearing the correct uniform??

The point is that since privatisation the concept of "colleagues" has more or less disappeared. At many stations revenue protection operatives are provided by agencies and have little or no working knowledge of the railway and no connection with NR or the TOC's.
Under British Rail we were a "family" and we looked after each other.