Revamp for Glasgow Queen Street

[matchmaker]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15061417

 

[rail-britain]

Interesting, Network Rail are presumably funding this as neither the current franchise operator nor Transport Scotland wanted to pay for such an ambitious scheme

Agreed though, the George Square entrance is long overdue an improvement and facelift
A lift to the Buchanan Galleries shopping centre would be a simple solution

Sadly a bit late for the Commonwealth Games, it really should have been in place so that it would be completed rather than halfway through

 

[jopsuk]

So is the end for the idea of extending the platforms towards George Square?

 

[DarloRich]

So is the end for the idea of extending the platforms towards George Square?

Looks like it

 

[rail-britain]

Don't see why platforms 2 to 7 would need extending, it was already proposed to extend platform 1 to the same length as platform 2
However, platforms 3 and 4 could really do with realignment so that all the platforms can cope with all types of units (once electrification is completed)
A complete rebuild of the station would be required for that so looks like all parties agreed

 

[route:oxford]

Ok, so how long are each of the platforms at Queen Street at the moment?

And how long will they be after the work?

 

[rail-britain]

Ok, so how long are each of the platforms at Queen Street at the moment?

1 75m (3 car)
2 162m (6 car)
3 and 4 125m (3 car 170, 4 car 156/158, or 170+158)
5 168m (6 car)
6 173m (6 car)
7 192m (6 car)

And how long will they be after the work?

There are no further details at the moment, still shows as 2014 Capacity Improvement, to allow platforms to cope with 6 car trains
Platform 2, 5, 6, and 7 remain long enough for six car 23m length EMU
As above, looks like Network Rail will pay for the station improvements as TS are paying for the route improvements (EGIP)

 

[dalmahoyhill]

Correct me if i am wrong are not Queen Street and Haymarket refubs being funded out of the budget for the Waverley-Queen Street Electrification?

 

[rail-britain]

Correct me if i am wrong are not Queen Street and Haymarket refubs being funded out of the budget for the Waverley-Queen Street Electrification?

No, TS have made it quite clear they will not be paying for any development work, simply structural changes and improvements only for EGIP
Network Rail had already assigned them as upgrade projects for EGIP and basically had to fund the difference
There are similar parallels here to the Class 380 project, stations upgraded by Network Rail and rolling stock provided by TS

Network Rail seem to have got round this for Glasgow QS by having the owners of the Buchanan Galleries agree to a link to their shopping centre and no doubt this will see that developer have a greater role when completed (as it is already known that some people park their cars at the Buchanan Galleries for Glasgow QS)

 

[jopsuk]

So if you wanted to run an 8 car 380 (say), only platform 7 could cope (train length 184 metres). 2 (just), 5, 6 and 7 could handle a 7 car formation of 23m stock.

 

[rail-britain]

So if you wanted to run an 8 car 380 (say), only platform 7 could cope (train length 184 metres). 2 (just), 5, 6 and 7 could handle a 7 car formation of 23m stock.

Why would a 8 car Class 380 unit enter Glasgow QS?
There are no plans to use such units via Falkirk, as the Cumbernauld / Falkirk / Dunblane services will use the 3 car equivalent of the Class 380 and the Edinburgh a fixed formation 6 car equivalent

 

[MacCookie]

Why would a 8 car Class 380 unit enter Glasgow QS?
There are no plans to use such units via Falkirk, as the Cumbernauld / Falkirk / Dunblane services will use the 3 car equivalent of the Class 380 and the Edinburgh a fixed formation 6 car equivalent

You said four car and six car units not that long ago.

Ewan

 

[jopsuk]

Why would a 8 car Class 380 unit enter Glasgow QS?
There are no plans to use such units via Falkirk, as the Cumbernauld / Falkirk / Dunblane services will use the 3 car equivalent of the Class 380 and the Edinburgh a fixed formation 6 car equivalent

Is there a Transport Scotland specification that definitively states this?

 

[rail-britain]

Is there a Transport Scotland specification that definitively states this?

Yes, details are available from them

 

[route:oxford]

1 75m (3 car)
2 162m (6 car)
3 and 4 125m (3 car 170, 4 car 156/158, or 170+158)
5 168m (6 car)
6 173m (6 car)
7 192m (6 car)

Thanks for that.

What I've often wondered when using the station is - if (when) the station is converted to electric operations...

Could the offices/accommodation adjacent to platform 2 be removed to permit platform one to be extended for the full length of the station - perhaps with a platform "0" added too?

 

[jopsuk]

Yes, details are available from them

Do you mean this document?

If so, not that the conclusion as far as 125mph services on the route (something your posts often seem to imply is a near certainly) is essentially "technically doable, but economically viable? Hah! Yeah right"

 

[rail-britain]

Do you mean this document?

No, direct contact with Transport Scotland, documents on request
From memory the Jacobs document is from about 2006/2007 and has since been replaced
You will note the mix of 3 and 4 car units on local journeys and 6 car units solely between Glasgow - Edinburgh
I always assumed the mix was due to using both Class 170 and next generation EMUs, rather than such a mixed fleet

 

[MacCookie]

No, direct contact with Transport Scotland, documents on request

What's the document called?

From memory the Jacobs document is from about 2006/2007

September 2007. The EGRI report is what defined EGIP.

and has since been replaced
You will note the mix of 3 and 4 car units on local journeys and 6 car units solely between Glasgow - Edinburgh
I always assumed the mix was due to using both Class 170 and next generation EMUs, rather than such a mixed fleet

I'm confused. First you say that the EGIP fleet will be a mix of 4-car and 6-car 125mph Class 380 derivatives. Then you say it will be 3-car and 6-car units. Which is it?

And where in the EGRI report does it say that the trains will be a mix of 3-car, 4-car and 6-car EMUs? The EGRI report, as far as I remember, doesn't talk about passenger capacity for local services and for the E&G services, it merely says 6-car trains (in the same way that during the peaks there are 6-car trains already running on the E&G). And I'm not sure why you thought that it might be referring to Class 170s. It's quite clear in the report that the proposal was to electrify to Alloa and Dunblane.

Ewan

 

[clc]

Network Rail have told me they intend to increase capacity at QS by adding another platform where the car park is currently located. The low level line runs beneath the car park but I believe that area used to be a goods yard many moons ago so presumably all the supporting structures are still in place.