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ATW Alex 101

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Looking at this video on youtube, (url at the bottom) at the beginning it shows a regional railways 153, now what was this line, was it a curve maybe linking the low level with the high or a little branch line, Im assuming its removed now like as google maps dont show any single track lines by retford and certainly last time i was down ther i didnt see no curve or single track railway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNgWCk443k
 
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There's the Up/Dn Worksop branch that curves down onto the low level lines. It's still there.
 

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Yes, its a single curve, as used by one Northern service a day (so they serve both High Level and Low Level platforms)
 

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The problem was the Sheffield-Gainsborough/Lincoln line ran west-east and crossed the north-south EC main line on the level just south of Retford station. So trains from Sheffield to Gainsborough needing to stop at Retford would take a spur to the north of the station, then a sharp right hand curve round into the station. They would then leave the station by a sharp curve to the left at the south end and rejoin their line.

This imposed severe restrictions on the EC main line, and in the 70s an underpass was built [leaving Newark the sole surviving flat crossing]. New platforms were built in the underpass to allow Sheffield-Gainsborough/Lincoln trains to stop at Retford independently of the EC trains. But the spur from Sheffield round to the north-end of the EC main line station was retained, and there was even a service from Sheffield to London Kings Cross and return which used it.

That spur was eventually singled, and what you see in the video is the infrequent Northern service which terminates in Retford's down platform on the EC line, rather than the Gainsborough platform in the underpass.
 

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Great video,and I have to say that the Swallow livery on both the IC225's and the HST are without doubt the best liveries !!! ;)
 

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Great video,and I have to say that the Swallow livery on both the IC225's and the HST are without doubt the best liveries !!! ;)

no doubt.

I was very young when they dissapeared but i can just about remember satt on meadowhall with me nan and 47's and hst's going past in it, just about anyway :)
 

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Have to agree with you there BOSCH. Also is it just me or do the DVTs and 91s look just a bit different in the Swallow livery than they do in any of the others, somehow more angular I think. It looks good though whatever.
 

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Have to agree with you there BOSCH. Also is it just me or do the DVTs and 91s look just a bit different in the Swallow livery than they do in any of the others, somehow more angular I think. It looks good though whatever.
Yeah they did look more angular: It helped that Intercity swallow livery was matched precisely to the natural lines of the train. The aluminium light and horn casings that GNER fitted to the 91s and DVTs made a surprisingly big difference to the appearance of the 225s when compared to the original plastic fittings.

Intercity swallow livery was flippin’ awesome…
 

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Yeah they did look more angular: It helped that Intercity swallow livery was matched precisely to the natural lines of the train. The aluminium light and horn casings that GNER fitted to the 91s and DVTs made a surprisingly big difference to the appearance of the 225s when compared to the original plastic fittings.

Intercity swallow livery was flippin’ awesome…

The trains themselves were incorporated as part of a design scheme, not just a canvas to throw some graphic design students idea of a corporate colour scheme on. Intercity wanted the trains to look angular, powerful and fast. It's called aesthetics, an aesthetic train to me looks a lot more professional than a hunk of machinery used merely as a tool to convey a company's logo.
 
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The problem was the Sheffield-Gainsborough/Lincoln line ran west-east and crossed the north-south EC main line on the level just south of Retford station. So trains from Sheffield to Gainsborough needing to stop at Retford would take a spur to the north of the station, then a sharp right hand curve round into the station. They would then leave the station by a sharp curve to the left at the south end and rejoin their line.

This imposed severe restrictions on the EC main line, and in the 70s an underpass was built [leaving Newark the sole surviving flat crossing]. New platforms were built in the underpass to allow Sheffield-Gainsborough/Lincoln trains to stop at Retford independently of the EC trains. But the spur from Sheffield round to the north-end of the EC main line station was retained, and there was even a service from Sheffield to London Kings Cross and return which used it.

That spur was eventually singled, and what you see in the video is the infrequent Northern service which terminates in Retford's down platform on the EC line, rather than the Gainsborough platform in the underpass.

The underpass was opened in 1965 - I know, I was there!
 

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The trains themselves were incorporated as part of a design scheme, not just a canvas to throw some graphic design students idea of a corporate colour scheme on. Intercity wanted the trains to look angular, powerful and fast. It's called aesthetics, an aesthetic train to me looks a lot more professional than a hunk of machinery used merely as a tool to convey a company's logo.

Agreed. The current idea seems to be "try and fit our corporate colour scheme onto trains". Sometimes this works, but often it doesn't. Trying to impost one livery onto a variety of units is going to be messy - some trains are curvy/straight, some are fast/slow. Yet most TOCs (with the exception of Stagecoach) try to do a "one size fits all" policy.

Actually designing a livery to suit the trains seems like a different era completely.
 
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