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Restriction code text. Sensitive information?

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bnm

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Rather unusually for me I was travelling from Paddington on a ticket for which I wasn't sure of the restrictions. This was on Monday and I arrived at Paddington later than anticipated at 4:10pm.

I had an Off Peak Day Travelcard from Bristol TM to London Zones 1-6.

I went to the ticket office to ask if I could see, or have read to me, the restriction text. I was told, "...that this is sensitive information, not available to the public from FGW, and if I wanted it I'd have to ask National Rail Enquiries. We (FGW) are not allowed to give it out."

Disbelief to say the least. I had no internet means available to me and certainly did not want to waste time on a call to NRE. So I asked, "Is my ticket subject to the list of barred trains in the evening peak, or a blanket time ban?"

"You can't use it between 4pm and 7.15pm sir. The first train you can catch is the 1930 to Bristol TM."

My reason for enquiring was to see whether an Off Peak Day Travelcard from Bristol was valid on the return from Paddington on the 1706. If the restriction code for my ticket had the list of barred trains then this train isn't on it and I'd be free to use it. However it would be included if the restriction code was one where a blanket time ban is imposed.

Being left with either believing what I was told by a clerk who refused to call up the restriction text, or go hunting for an internet cafe in the Paddington area, I resigned myself to a long wait until 1930.

But wait, there's the posters all over Paddington, detailing what trains you can take with what ticket (see attachment). On that it says that Off Peak Day tickets are valid on the 1706. I locate the TM before boarding and he says, yes my ticket is valid.

Only on getting home do I finally find out what the restriction actually is (LC).

From that, I see that the text is one that has a time ban rather than the list of barred trains. I note I could've caught the 1630, despite what I was told by the ticket office clerk. I could also have caught the 1845 and changed at Bristol Parkway, the 1847 (change Swindon) the 1900 direct, or the 1915 (change Parkway)

Also, it turns out my ticket wasn't valid on the 1706, so I should be thankful I was allowed to travel. But with the poster saying Off Peak Day tickets are valid on the 1706, it's a little confusing. Is an Off Peak Day Travelcard not to be included?

So, in summary, very disappointed with the information given by the booking clerk - who had the tools at his disposal to check but refused to do so, saying the information was 'sensitive'. If he'd checked I could've boarded the 1630 and been home much much earlier. Disappointed with the ambiguity of the 'When Can I Travel' posters - should also mention Travelcards. But happy that I was permitted to travel on the 1706 despite later discovering my ticket wasn't valid. Even though that train got me back to Temple Meads at 1947, whereas the 1630 would've got me back at 1815.

On this occasion my ticket costs were being refunded after I attended an audition in Central London, so I bought the through ticket. Back to split tickets in future so I know I'm on restriction P7 and can use the 1706. Or C4 with no evening restrictions at all.
 

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Sounds like a load of rubbish to me. Why on earth would a passenger not be allowed to know the restrictions for their own ticket? :roll:

A list of codes appears on National Rail itself, so if the codes are indeed sensitive information then someone has screwed up by allowing them to appear on the first page of a quick Google search!
 

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The staff member probably didn't know how to look it up and didn't want to show his lack of skill, so invented a new rule. Has happened to me, like being told tickets don't exist when they simply can't find it.

I'd write in and complain (no need to ask for any compensation) so they might issue a bulletin to staff to say that restrictions aren't a secret. You're expected to know before travel as saying you didn't know won't save you when on the train.
 

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I'd write in and complain (no need to ask for any compensation) so they might issue a bulletin to staff to say that restrictions aren't a secret. You're expected to know before travel as saying you didn't know won't save you when on the train.

Don't worry. I've already written to Customer Services. I make a point of doing so before taking to forums. Not expressly asking for compensation even though by taking the booking office clerk's advice at face value I missed the opportunity to board the 1630 and was subsequently delayed by over 90 minutes.

Might hurry things along a bit though, by publicly complaining via FGW's Facebook page as well. ;)
 

thedbdiboy

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Rather unusually for me I was travelling from
I went to the ticket office to ask if I could see, or have read to me, the restriction text. I was told, "...that this is sensitive information, not available to the public from FGW, and if I wanted it I'd have to ask National Rail Enquiries. We (FGW) are not allowed to give it out."

Absolute rubbish. Thanks for bringing this to my attention as I will follow it up....
 
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What about the National Rail Conditions of Carriage?

Your rights – a summary

Train Companies and other Ticket Sellers must:
• Give you clear information before, during and where necessary after your journey to help you plan and carry out your journey.
• Make clear to you when you buy your ticket any important restrictions on how you can use that ticket (such as when Off-Peak tickets can be used).

Would it be a good idea to carry a copy?

Best wishes, Stephen.
 

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Next time this happens, ask the clerk to confirm his assertion in writing.
 

bnm

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There won't be a next time. I'll be ensuring I either check the restrictions before leaving home, or ensure I have an internet enabled device to hand.

If booking office clerks want to make up rules because they can't be bothered to check, then they are just adding to reasons for their jobs to become even less necessary.

The real shame is that there are good staff out there, but they are getting harder to find. One particular past member of the booking office team at Paddington would have gladly called up the restriction text for me, having done so in the past when there was restriction change I'd not yet come across. A shame that he's now in a back office manning FGW's social media accounts.
 

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Sounds like a load of rubbish to me. Why on earth would a passenger not be allowed to know the restrictions for their own ticket? :roll:

A list of codes appears on National Rail itself, so if the codes are indeed sensitive information then someone has screwed up by allowing them to appear on the first page of a quick Google search!

It sounds like rubbish because it is rubbish! I'm sure I read somewhere in the Manual that somebody being sold an off peak ticket should be explicitly told what the restrictions are!!!!!!! Common sense really....

 

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If you're not told the restriction then you could use any train and claim ignorance and not much could be done, especially as it seems even the TM did not know the restrictions
 

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Clicking through to the validity details on the Fares Finder in The Manual gives an error message.

It could be argued, therefore, that NO time restrictions apply to either Off-Peak or Super Off-Peak Day Travelcards (Code XC) in FGW land, as the relevant restrictions are in sections headed "BVS / BVR / SVS / SVR / GVR - OFF-PEAK | FSR / FSS / BFR / BFS - OFF-PEAK (First Class)" and "SSS / SSR / OPS / OPR / SOP SUPER OFF-PEAK".
 

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Just remember, if planning on catching the 1706 on a Didcot split, the 1706 goes nowhere near Didcot:lol::lol::lol:. It is a scenic journey, though!
 
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