Restriction Code EL

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Right Restriction Code EL on a Poynton - Nottingham ticket is as follows

Restriction : EL
OUTWARD TRAVEL

Valid between 0930-1528 and
after 1746.

RETURN TRAVEL

Valid between 0930-1528 and
after 1746.

Does this prohibit you starting a journey a valid time which runs into the afternoon restriction time listed above.

Reason I ask is i've noticed restriction SK which is a London Midland restriction code, says you can complete a journey started at a valid time during the restricted time.

NRE says not with for Poynton - Nottingham EL restricted ticket
Is NRE correct?

 

[bb21]

Does this prohibit you starting a journey a valid time which runs into the afternoon restriction time listed above.

Reason I ask is i've noticed restriction SK which is a London Midland restriction code, says you can complete a journey started at a valid time during the restricted time.

NRE says not with for Poynton - Nottingham EL restricted ticket
Is NRE correct?

I would say yes it does, otherwise it would surely be worded "for journeys starting between ..." or something to that effect.

You can start your journey, then I think you'll need to detrain before the restriction kicks in. How strictly this is enforced I think depends, especially if the restriction kicks in after the onboard ticket check has been done.

 

[RJ]

Right Restriction Code EL on a Poynton - Nottingham ticket is as follows



Does this prohibit you starting a journey a valid time which runs into the afternoon restriction time listed above.

Reason I ask is i've noticed restriction SK which is a London Midland restriction code, says you can complete a journey started at a valid time during the restricted time.

NRE says not with for Poynton - Nottingham EL restricted ticket
Is NRE correct?

No. The restriction applies according to the time that you commence your journey. Similar issues exist with the London Midland OP tickets, the booking engines incorrectly disallow journeys that involve changing trains during the restricted time.

If off peak tickets are banned on a particular set of trains, the restriction would be something like "Not valid on any train scheduled to arrive in London before 10:00"

I would say yes it does, otherwise it would surely be worded "for journeys starting between ..." or something to that effect.

You can start your journey, then I think you'll need to detrain before the restriction kicks in. How strictly this is enforced I think depends, especially if the restriction kicks in after the onboard ticket check has been done.

Huh?????

 

[island]

If off peak tickets are banned on a particular set of trains, the restriction would be something like "Not valid on any train scheduled to arrive in London before 10:00"

How about "not valid to board any train at Edinburgh, Haymarket, Glasgow Central, or Glasgow Queen Street between 1648 and 1812"?

 

[hairyhandedfool]

The restriction, as written, does prohibit travel at those times, however, Fastis allows this ticket to be issued for trains departing Poynton at 1430 and arriving in Nottingham at 1628. I must point out that Journey planners can be wrong and so can Fastis.

I would suggest you seek clarification from EMT for this ticket

 

[RJ]

How about "not valid to board any train at Edinburgh, Haymarket, Glasgow Central, or Glasgow Queen Street between 1648 and 1812"?

Then you can't board a train at those stations between those times. That's an easy one. Try getting to grips with 9I, where there are numerous peak blocks from several stations to contend with.

 

[island]

Then you can't board a train at those stations between those times. That's an easy one.

Can you change onto one? What if you break your journey? Or if the train's stopped in the station for a few minutes and you dash off to WHSmith?

 

[John @ home]

Can you change onto one?

No. You can't board a train.

What if you break your journey?

Breaking a journey is allowed. Resuming a broken journey is not because you can't board a train.

Or if the train's stopped in the station for a few minutes and you dash off to WHSmith?

Dashing off to WHSmith is allowed. Returning from WHSmith to the train is not because you can't board a train.

 

[RJ]

Can you change onto one? What if you break your journey? Or if the train's stopped in the station for a few minutes and you dash off to WHSmith?

Common sense would suggest that if BoJ is permitted and you choose to break, you would have to resume at a time outside of the peak if resuming at one of those stations. "Not valid to board any train between x and y times" seems like a very straightforward restriction to me.

 

[Deerfold]

Common sense would suggest that if BoJ is permitted and you choose to break, you would have to resume at a time outside of the peak if resuming at one of those stations. "Not valid to board any train between x and y times" seems like a very straightforward restriction to me.

Surely if you get back on the same train and have not left station premises you've not broken the journey?

 

[island]

Common sense would suggest that if BoJ is permitted and you choose to break, you would have to resume at a time outside of the peak if resuming at one of those stations. "Not valid to board any train between x and y times" seems like a very straightforward restriction to me.

There is absolutely zero common sense in rail ticketing, especially since an

ticket could be valid any time at all, if it's the right one!

 

[John @ home]

Surely if you get back on the same train and have not left station premises you've not broken the journey?

I agree. You have not broken your journey. But you have boarded the train. Restriction EL does not allow boarding the train at certain stations between certain times.

 

[bb21]

Huh?????

No consistency in these things whatsoever, sigh. Then why am I surprised?

Not doubting what you said, however if you can point me in the right direction of some documentation which says that once you commenced your journey, you can finish it regardless then it would be helpful.

Do restrictions that are written in this way always apply to the beginning of a journey only?

 

[Deerfold]

I agree. You have not broken your journey. But you have boarded the train. Restriction EL does not allow boarding the train at certain stations between certain times.

Interesting.

"No, you're not allowed to board this train even though you could have stayed on it without problem and we agree you haven't broken your journey."

Sounds rather like a badly written resriction.

 

[gnolife]

So, assuming that its you aren't allowed to board the train, if you get off because you're stood in the doorway, but left your bag on board, and its during these peak hours, you'd be for it?

 

[island]

So, assuming that its you aren't allowed to board the train, if you get off because you're stood in the doorway, but left your bag on board, and its during these peak hours, you'd be for it?

I was going to say I hoped common sense would apply in this situation, but common sense and National Rail make uncomfortable bedfellows...