Remaining Effects of Covid

[yorksrob]

But that is exactly what they did do a few weeks later (November 5th 2020 to be exact )

Indeed, the worst of two evils.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Rather like limiting outdoor exercise to one hour once a day. What harm would you have done if, starting from home and not using public transport, you had wandered round some empty countryside, with no-one else around, for 6 hours? Just about zero, but you'd have had a big psychological boost from not being locked up at home all day.

That was never actually in law (and certainly I went out for more than an hour each day), but when you think about it with a London centric hat on (as Government is) there is a bit of sense in wanting to avoid severe overcrowding in the parks at a point when we didn't yet know that spread outdoors was close to zero.

 

[Simon11]

While on my holiday travels in the UK, I still see a few covid warning signs and asking you to wash your hands. I took down a few while in Devon over HT.

I’ve removed quite a few signs where you can but still plently in the windows of old fashioned shops about which I don't bother to enter anymore.

Surely owners should have a regular check around to check the state of their premises and signage.

 

[VauxhallandI]

But that is exactly what they did do a few weeks later (November 5th 2020 to be exact )

Sorry yes this what I meant but it would seem I typed a bunch of gibberish

 

[gswindale]

While on my holiday travels in the UK, I still see a few covid warning signs and asking you to wash your hands. I took down a few while in Devon over HT.

I’ve removed quite a few signs where you can but still plently in the windows of old fashioned shops about which I don't bother to enter anymore.

Surely owners should have a regular check around to check the state of their premises and signage.

I'm not really sure how to respond to this.

From a personal perspective, I find it quite disgusting the number of people who don't wash their hands after going to the toilet. Anything reminding people to do this is surely a good thing - not just because of Covid, but because of other illnesses.

I was also a great fan of distancing as it did do a lot to reduce "butt sniffers" and encourage a greater respect of people's personal space.

Given TfL can't manage to update tube maps at some stations for over 4 years, do we really need to be worried about other places having signs up with suggestions about being considerate to others?

 

[birchesgreen]

Folk don't go into shops because of old signs left up? OK...

 

[jon0844]

While on my holiday travels in the UK, I still see a few covid warning signs and asking you to wash your hands. I took down a few while in Devon over HT.

I’ve removed quite a few signs where you can but still plently in the windows of old fashioned shops about which I don't bother to enter anymore.

Surely owners should have a regular check around to check the state of their premises and signage.

Are you being paid to remove these signs? If not, why would you waste your time doing something that makes absolutely no difference to anyone at all. Covid isn't a big deal these days by all accounts, and washing hands is generally a good idea that was a good idea before Covid.

I am certainly quite grateful that a number of shops still have hand sanitiser stations in them.

 

[nw1]

That was never actually in law (and certainly I went out for more than an hour each day), but when you think about it with a London centric hat on (as Government is) there is a bit of sense in wanting to avoid severe overcrowding in the parks at a point when we didn't yet know that spread outdoors was close to zero.

Maybe, though perhaps they could have instead closed selected parks on a case-by-case basis if they got too overcrowded. A related point was the "two women in a bubble having a coffee in the countryside being fined by the police" incident - they were clearly breaking some law, otherwise the police wouldn't have bothered them. Again, if they were in a bubble, they were not doing any harm.

It does seem that the government failed to critically evaluate which activities were high-risk and which were low-risk, instead taking an inflexible blanket approach.

 

[takno]

Folk don't go into shops because of old signs left up? OK...

I don't tend to go into the sort of shops that leave a lot of old signs up, but that's more because it's a sign of somewhere that's going to irritate me by being messy and disorganised. I guess other people struggle with nuance, or are very worried about confrontation, and therefore struggle to know whether they are getting themselves into a situation they won't be able to deal with.

 

[jon0844]

I don't tend to go into the sort of shops that leave a lot of old signs up, but that's more because it's a sign of somewhere that's going to irritate me by being messy and disorganised. I guess other people struggle with nuance, or are very worried about confrontation, and therefore struggle to know whether they are getting themselves into a situation they won't be able to deal with.

Local newsagents' have had out of date signs and cards in windows for decades.

 

[takno]

Local newsagents' have had out of date signs and cards in windows for decades.

Yeah, that's the kind of shop. Filthy little pits full of stuff you could get for a quarter of the price in Poundland. I get that it's a vibe they're happy with and which appeals to a certain kind of customer, but it's not for me. If this is the kind of place which is leaving the Covid signs up then it's really not a particular issue.

 

[jon0844]

Yeah, that's the kind of shop. Filthy little pits full of stuff you could get for a quarter of the price in Poundland. I get that it's a vibe they're happy with and which appeals to a certain kind of customer, but it's not for me. If this is the kind of place which is leaving the Covid signs up then it's really not a particular issue.

Ultimately, they're convenience stores. Places you pop to in order to get some milk, a chocolate bar or a beer. They're not trying to compete with Aldi. People don't likely do their weekly shop there.

If you wish to boycott them, that's absolutely fine and your choice.

 

[island]

Coronavirus has been removed from the main topic list on the BBC News website, replaced by Cost of Living Crisis.

 

[scarby]

Did the UK ever have a curfew during Covid?

I know that some countries did, but it really was a monumentally illogical, irrational, imbecilic decision made by people with, it seems, almost zero intelligence. It appears to make the assumption that Sars-Cov-2 increases its rate of spread after 2200 hours, local time, which is clearly utter codswallop.

In fact if you really had to have a curfew, you'd be better off doing it in the midday hours when people were likely to be out and about (but, just to reassure, I definitely would not support such a policy!)

France had one, as I visited there in January 2021 when it was in force, from 7pm to 6am if I remember rightly.

I believe the reasoning was largely based on the fact that France could not legislate to restrict the number of people gathering within their own homes, therefore instead measures like this were designed to make it difficult to do so for social purposes during the evening - if you went round to someone's home for the evening, you couldn't then get back to your own home without breaking the curfew.

No doubt many people simply therefore invited friends to stay over for the night instead.

It was, of course, utterly ridiculous and ineffective, along with masks, as the virus spread anyway, and it spread at exactly the same rate as in Sweden.

 

[island]

France also had the mad requirement to fill out a form if you wanted to leave home, and carry it with you to show if challenged. Some other countries had similar requirements except you had to text a government hotline to get permission to leave home.

 

[duncanp]

Excuse me whilst I go and vomit.

Saint Jacinda Ardern has been made a Dame Grand Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit.

Jacinda Ardern was a Covid tyrant and hypocrite – her damehood is a travesty

She kept her country in strict lockdown, causing immense suffering, particularly to citizens abroad who weren’t allowed to return home

www.telegraph.co.uk

Jacinda Ardern was a Covid tyrant and hypocrite – her damehood is a travesty​

She kept her country in strict lockdown, causing immense suffering, particularly to citizens abroad who weren’t allowed to return home

Dame Jacinda Ardern? Excuse me, DAME JACINDA ARDERN? Honours-induced apoplexy, which may lead to choking on porridge, has become a regular occurrence at Pearson Towers, but this latest elevation really takes the New Zealand lolly cake. Whoever next?

If Nicola Sturgeon is made a dame I will have to glue myself to something. Professor Neil Ferguson’s trousers, perhaps.

Amid a strong field of world leaders succumbing to copycat irrationality, Ardern was the High Priestess of Covid hysteria. The former NZ prime minister embraced tyranny like a long-lost lover, pursuing an “elimination strategy” which kept her country in cruel and futile lockdown for over two years. She caused immense suffering, particularly to citizens abroad who were banned from returning home – not even allowed back to see a parent on their deathbed.

Obergruppenführer Ardern also made the Covid vaccine mandatory for teachers, police officers, soldiers and healthcare workers long after it was known that the jab prevented neither infection nor transmission.

Back in January, there was hollow laughter when a justifiably unpopular “burnt out” prime minister quit her job, ostensibly to spend more time with her family – a pleasure that so many New Zealanders were denied on account of, oh, look, Jacinda Ardern!

If you want more evidence of her hypocrisy, Saint Jacinda of Human Rights shamelessly sucked up to China, refusing to support neighbouring Australia’s principled stand against human rights abuses and aggression. In so doing, the daft bat jeopardised the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, a cornerstone of Western security, creating fears among members that the formerly stalwart New Zealand was compromised by Jacinda’s love-in with the Chinese Communist Party.

What happened to her tender, Leftist conscience when it came to the Uyghurs in their Chinese concentration camps, eh? Sorry, Jacinda was a bit busy polishing her halo to bother herself with alleged genocide.

That ain’t nothing like a dame. Not in my book. Why would she want the title anyway? Ardern is a socialist and closet republican who would like to see the downfall of the institution whose glittering bauble she now shamelessly grasps with both hands. (Why on earth is the King ennobling one of the monarchy’s enemies?)

“I was in two minds about accepting this acknowledgement,” said Jacinda of the Dame Grand Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit. The woman can’t even bear to use the word “honour”. Rudely, she calls it an “acknowledgment”.

An acknowledgment of what exactly? The fact that New Zealand saw its largest year-on-year increase in deaths in a century last year, a human tragedy almost certainly linked to Ardern’s delusional zero-Covid strategy?

Understandably, many New Zealanders are not rushing to doff their cap to their newly ennobled former leader. “For the pointless ruin this posturing lightweight did to her country, in any rational world she’d be getting a fair trial, three months solitary on bread and water and a firing squad,” huffed one.

Very well said, sir, but Ardern is far from alone. We are living in a time of honours without honour, a time when British villains of the pandemic are gonged as heroes before the Covid Inquiry has had a chance to pronounce on their performance.

“When the tide goes out, you find out who is swimming naked,” is a saying attributed to investor Warren Buffett, about economic crises. The same applies to the pandemic. This week, as The Telegraph reported, a bombshell study found that lockdown reduced deaths in England and Wales by only 1,700. A “drop in the bucket” set against the 200,000-plus “missing” cancer patients, to take just one sorry example.

That’s “missing” presumed dead. (See the mysteriously high excess deaths in the home.) Or missing and then getting a terminal diagnosis 18 months late because some fool decided it would be a good idea to shut down vast swathes of the NHS. (An idea so ingenious no other country copied it.)

Yet, the Chief Medical Officer when all that was happening – or, rather, not happening – is now Sir Chris Whitty, knighted for services to public health and tackling Covid.

Curiously, at his very first Covid press briefing with sidekick Sir Patrick Vallance in March 2020, Whitty was extremely honest about what the UK was facing. A new virus was on the scene, most people who got it would be absolutely fine, although the elderly and the unwell should take extra care. Better not attend large social gatherings for a while, to avoid hospitals being overrun. Generally, though, we’d have to live with this relatively innocuous virus until herd immunity kicked in or a vaccine was invented. No real cause for alarm was the message.

Just two days later, under intense pressure from an ignorant, screeching media, and after a wild prediction by Prof Ferguson and Imperial College modellers of 400,000 deaths if we didn’t close the country, Whitty changed his tune.

You can call that realpolitik or cowardly capitulation to the mob. What is in little doubt, though, is that decision to lock down, endorsed by Whitty, led to what the new report calls “a global policy failure of gigantic proportions”.

Earlier this week, I met a former senior civil servant who had worked on the “green book” UK pandemic plan. She said lockdown wasn’t even mentioned because everyone knew the consequences would be so disastrous. What the plan recommended was “incremental” measures, in proportion to the threat level.

Yet, it was Whitty who got the knighthood while Oxford University’s Professor Carl Heneghan, arguing throughout for balancing the risks and benefits of restrictions, got spied on by agents of the state for “disinformation”.

The self-same “disinformation” that was reviewed and approved by the likes of Whitty and known as the UK pandemic plan.

As Detective Del Spooner (Will Smith) says in the 2004 film I, Robot: “Somehow ‘I told you so’ just doesn’t quite say it.”

Those of us who called it right, those who can say, “I told you so” (many fantastic Telegraph readers among that defiant, incredulous number), those of us who pointed out that lockdown was bound to kill more people than it saved, were reviled or cancelled. Today, we have to watch as the ones who, in many people’s opinion, got it so wrong become knights and dames of the realm.

Additionally, Patrick Vallance was a Sir before Covid but he was further elevated in 2022 to Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath. Perhaps the honour was for those childish doom graphs designed to terrify the viewing public into compliance?

Then there’s the plethora of pandemic dames. Dr Jenny Harries was Deputy Chief Medical Officer when she told an interviewer that wearing masks was “not a good idea”. Did Jenny’s convenient, subsequent amnesia on the zero benefits of masking healthy individuals play a part in her bagging a damehood in the New Years Honours List 2022? We may never know. We do know that Dame Jenny was rewarded with the top job at the UK Health Security Agency (the new name for the disgraced Public Health England, disbanded for being so shockingly bad at PPE).

Jenny Harries, we are told, got her damehood for working “tirelessly to keep the nation safe during the Covid pandemic”. A far worthier honoree in my view is Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at Oxford, who warned tirelessly that lockdown was a disaster, particularly for the poorest and for children. Bad luck, Sunetra, no damehoods for being brilliant and vindicated!

Or how about my dear friend, Molly Kingsley, who co-founded the parents’ group, Us For Them, to campaign for the rights of children during the pandemic? Disgracefully, Molly was blacklisted and spied upon for spreading the heretical idea that playgrounds and schools should never have been closed. If awards were in my gift, one would certainly go to Molly, but they’re more likely to have been given to the dopes who authorised the shutting of the schools (Sir Gavin Williamson, anyone?).

Other pandemic dames include June Raine of the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Authority), a body whose role during Covid merits serious scrutiny, I think. In January 2021 – just a few weeks after the first Covid vaccines had been given an initial temporary authorisation – Raine declared that “we are transforming the MHRA, making the regulator an enabler of innovation”. In March 2022, during a speech in Oxford, she described the pandemic as having “catalysed the transformation of a regulator from a watchdog to enabler”.

One might reasonably question whether a regulator so enthusiastically focused on enabling innovation for the pharmaceutical industry can have been prioritising patient safety. Never mind all that, Raine got her damehood.

I know that the establishment takes care of its own, I’m not that naïve, but what seems to have happened here makes me suspicious. Individuals who were prepared to do the authoritarian Covid regime’s bidding have been rewarded with titles and gongs that lend credence to lockdown, even as the wisdom of lockdown is successfully being challenged.

I mean, how could all these grand people, garlanded with titles, possibly have been mistaken? Their new status, bestowed on them by a state which has a lot to feel embarrassed about, has the helpful effect of making their authority appear unimpeachable.

By making the republican Ardern a dame you undermine the legitimacy of the monarchy. You also retrospectively burnish her lockdown leadership which, I am entirely confident, history will view as deranged, histrionic and deeply damaging.

The people who colluded in this epic human folly should not be ennobled. No one deserves top marks for being so terribly wrong.

Somehow ‘I told you so’ just doesn’t quite say it.

 

[Bald Rick]

Excuse me whilst I go and vomit.

Saint Jacinda Ardern has been made a Dame Grand Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit.

Jacinda Ardern was a Covid tyrant and hypocrite – her damehood is a travesty

She kept her country in strict lockdown, causing immense suffering, particularly to citizens abroad who weren’t allowed to return home

www.telegraph.co.uk

And rightly so. A superb Prime Minister. I would certainly have rather had her as our PM than the one we did have (And not because of the NZ Covid policy)

You may not agree with her Covid Policy, but that doesn’t mean that all her countryfolk didn’t. And she did plenty of other things to be proud of.

 

[DustyBin]

And rightly so. A superb Prime Minister. I would certainly have rather had her as our PM than the one we did have (And not because of the NZ Covid policy)

You may not agree with her Covid Policy, but that doesn’t mean that all her countryfolk didn’t. And she did plenty of other things to be proud of.

I can’t comment on this, however her covid policy will be her legacy, and rather undermines whatever other things she did surely?

Anecdotally I have a Kiwi friend (only one!) who fully supported what she did at the time. He’s a foul-mouthed former rugby player who’s into fishing, shooting, and Falcon V8s (no straight-six turbos ) so very much an alpha male type. He couldn’t believe how “lax” our restrictions were in the UK; healthy people were dropping dead in their tens of thousands as we all wandered around like zombies infecting each other. The health service collapsed. It was truly apocalyptic. But of course none of this was true, despite what he was convinced of at the time.

Needless to say his position has now changed, partly because he sees the propaganda for what it was, and partly because the long term effects of Ardern’s policy are becoming apparent. He, and I suspect many other New Zealanders, supported what she did simply because they didn’t know any better, which isn’t exactly a glowing endorsement.

Again, this is anecdotal, based on a sample of one etc. etc., but I seem to recall her popularity had declined somewhat by the time of her resignation……

 

[Bald Rick]

I can’t comment on this, however her covid policy will be her legacy, and rather undermines whatever other things she did surely?

that’s not what my friends in NZ say.

For almost everyone, Covid is a thing of the past. I don’t know why it’s still a discussion tbh.

 

[Bletchleyite]

that’s not what my friends in NZ say.

For almost everyone, Covid is a thing of the past. I don’t know why it’s still a discussion tbh.

Not sure I'd say it's a thing of the past, but it's now considered by most to be the same as flu. That is, something you might get, and it won't be fun if you do, but if you do then you'll just be sick for a bit and recover, but if you're old and frail you might (but probably won't) die of it.

Indeed, as people are mostly no longer testing (I've got no tests left myself for instance and don't intend on buying more) people will probably think it IS a cold or flu, because the symptoms are basically the same.

(Long COVID is a thing, but so are other post-viral effects and have been for years, ME is said to be caused by a virus of some sort for instance, and some people never recover from glandular fever. I developed asthma as an adult after I didn't recover fully from some sort of virus, for instance)

 

[Dent]

Indeed, as people are mostly no longer testing (I've got no tests left myself for instance and don't intend on buying more) people will probably think it IS a cold or flu, because the symptoms are basically the same.

If they do then they would be right, it is a type of cold.

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For almost everyone, Covid is a thing of the past. I don’t know why it’s still a discussion tbh.

So is everything you claim Adern has done to be proud of, a legacy is by definition based on things of the past.

 

[nw1]

I think when judging political leaders now it's best to move on from Covid and look at other aspects.

I too disagreed with Ardern's Covid policy, and disallowing NZ citizens back into the country was crazy, but on the other hand in other, non-Covid, issues she was much better than either the current UK PM or his four predecessors, IMO. Same would go with, say, Biden or Trudeau, recognising the former was not president during Covid's peak. Covid was arguably the one thing that left-leaning political leaders got wrong. (Rather like Eat Out To Help Out was the one and only thing that Sunak got right!)

I'd also say that it may not have been Ardern herself. It may have been more due to the fact that NZ is a long way from most other places, and its politicians believed at the time that they could ride out Covid by taking extreme measures to not let it in. Not a good policy, no, but just trying to find an alternative, geographical, explanation as to why NZ might have acted differently to most of the rest of the world.

I'd say the reactionary and toxic right-wing populism of people like Anderson and Braverman, and their enabler Sunak, is a greater danger right now than Covid or indeed lockdowns, and I suspect many people will realise that when voting next time.

 

[duncanp]

I think this is a very sad story of the after effects of COVID on a pub, but it could equally apply to many other businesses.

The pub was forced to close, but the insurance company wouldn't pay out on the business interruption policy, the government support wasn't sufficient, and the greedy landlord decided to pursue the couple running the pub for the full amount of the rent, even though they were not trading and thus bringing in no revenue.

Those who would advocate lockdowns and business closures in similar circumstances in the future need to decide where, and on whom, the financial burden should fall.

Leicestershire pub forced to close after losing £71,000 rent case

The licensees say the village will lose its social heart and they face becoming homeless.

www.bbc.co.uk

Leicestershire pub forced to close after losing £71,000 rent case​

Licensees of a village's only pub say they have been forced to close because they cannot afford to pay back rent arrears built up during Covid-19 lockdowns.
Nick Holden and Kate Ahrens, who have run The Geese and Fountain in Croxton Kerrial for eight years, served their last pints on Monday.
The couple lost a case against their landlords, The Wellington Pub Company, which is demanding £71,000.
The company has declined to comment.
Mr Holden and Ms Ahrens, who also live at the pub near Melton Mowbray, said they faced being made homeless, as well as jobless, when their lease was terminated.
Twenty staff, mostly part-time, have lost their jobs after the pub closed for the last time.
The couple said they had been in a dispute with the firm over rents since March 2020 when lockdown forced them to close the business.
The couple launched an appeal against the company's pursuit of unpaid rent through an arbitration process established by the government.
However, the arbitrator found in Wellington's favour and said the couple would have to repay the sum in monthly instalments of £2,946.31 over two years.

The Guardian reported some 250 of Wellington's tenants, in a pressure group led by Mr Holden and Ms Ahrens, find themselves facing full arrears repayments.
The couple said they could not afford an extra £3,000 a month, plus £5,000 a month in continuing rent, and that the decision had left them "heartbroken" and "devastated".
Ms Ahrens said: "This pub was our whole lives. This has been the place for the social life of the village, and I like to think we were responsible for that.
"We have seen people develop relationships in this pub - make friends, meet their life partners - and all of that will be gone.
"It's a devastating blow for villages to lose their only pub. We are a social hub."
She said the pub had suffered from reduced custom because of the cost-of-living crisis, and that some villagers were looking at ways of raising funds to set up a community pub.
"I think the reality is that probably nobody will ever re-open this pub again. I really hope I'm wrong," she added.

Mr Holden said: "We moved into an empty pub that was dead and brought it back to life. We got it to be the heart of the village.
"We are losing our livelihoods. We have had to tell our staff they are losing their jobs and our suppliers that we won't be able to buy their beer and produce any more."
Insurance companies had not paid out on business interruption cover and there had not been enough government support, he said.
He said Wellington's lawyers had already sent letters demanding money, adding: "We expect them to make us bankrupt and at that point we lose the pub."

'Let down'​

Pubs Advisory Service, set up to resolve rent disputes from the pandemic, has supported about 60 businesses nationally to claim rent support through the government arbitration process.
Director Chris Wright said: "Publicans, along with many other types of businesses, closed in order to save the NHS and uphold the health policy of people right across the UK.
"They did their bit. They were looking for support and help and at their time of need. The insurance let them down and then the government set up a scheme that has created more victims and let them down."
The government said it was committed to supporting businesses but could not comment on The Geese and Fountain's individual case.

 

[yorksrob]

I think this is a very sad story of the after effects of COVID on a pub, but it could equally apply to many other businesses.

The pub was forced to close, but the insurance company wouldn't pay out on the business interruption policy, the government support wasn't sufficient, and the greedy landlord decided to pursue the couple running the pub for the full amount of the rent, even though they were not trading and thus bringing in no revenue.

Those who would advocate lockdowns and business closures in similar circumstances in the future need to decide where, and on whom, the financial burden should fall.

Leicestershire pub forced to close after losing £71,000 rent case

The licensees say the village will lose its social heart and they face becoming homeless.

www.bbc.co.uk

Some pubco's are a disgrace to the profession. One would hope at the very least that local planning authorities refuse any change of use requests so that they can't flog it to the developers.

 

[ainsworth74]

Some pubco's are a disgrace to the profession. One would hope at the very least that local planning authorities refuse any change of use requests so that they can't flog it to the developers.

Yes that sounds like yet another reason to take regulatory action against predatory pubco's to me! If it wasn't this they'd no doubt find another way to swindle the pub landlords.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

When visiting my local NHS clinic that also has GP practises in the same large building, there were still face masks available on the reception counter and posters stating booster jabs were still available to be had.

 

[duncanp]

When visiting my local NHS clinic that also has GP practises in the same large building, there were still face masks available on the reception counter and posters stating booster jabs were still available to be had.

Were any of the staff wearing face nappies?

My GP surgery has a sign on the front door saying that face nappies are compulsory, but when you get inside none of the staff are wearing them, including the GPs.

 

[nw1]

Some pubco's are a disgrace to the profession. One would hope at the very least that local planning authorities refuse any change of use requests so that they can't flog it to the developers.

Obviously all they care about is lining the pockets of directors and shareholders, and to hell if the actual pubs go under.

Would it make more sense if breweries owned the pubs? Their business, after all, is beer - so they have more to gain by keeping a pub open as a pub.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Were any of the staff wearing face nappies?

My GP surgery has a sign on the front door saying that face nappies are compulsory, but when you get inside none of the staff are wearing them, including the GPs.

Ther is no need to use such a derogatory term as "face nappies" as from what I remember from my twin sons being born nearly 50 years ago, nappies were still of the "towelling" variety that were used to prevent the effects of defecation and urination affecting the area in which the babies were. Face masks are of the type that would not be any use whatsoever in helping to prevent such occurrences. Are you sure that the notice at your GP surgery stated the term "face nappies" in the wording of that particular notice?

In answer to your staffing queries, two of the district nurses employed at the NHS clinic on care home round visits were both wearing face masks.

 

[gswindale]

Have to say that I agree with Paul here.

Using stupid terminology such as nappies when the correct word would be easier to type simply makes you look like somebody whose views we should not take seriously.