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There have been a whole slew of reports in the press appearing overnight about the Office of Road and Rails report into Network Rail - whatever the headlines the reports cover both the poor progress of the CP5 plan and the poor performance on punctuality/reliability.

Network Rail to be investigated by regulator over reliability BBC News
Network Rail probed over punctuality as profits slide The Independent
Network Rail faces watchdog probe into its poor performance Telegraph.co.uk
Network Rail's five-year plan way off track in first year, regulator warns The Guardian
Call to shake up Network Rail funding Financial Times
and many others.

While the reliability figures are bad enough, the report on CP5 progess is even more disheartening.

"The ORR report showed that more than a third of the “milestones” in major enhancement projects had been missed, failing to reach 30 out of 84 targets in the first year of the 2014-19 plan. The regulator said “the high number of missed milestones has raised serious questions about Network Rail’s ability to deliver future projects on time”. Fewer than one in four of the renewals to overhead lines scheduled for this year have been carried out, and only a third of signalling works. (The Guardian)

Track renewals are 7 per cent behind target, signalling renewals 63 per cent, and overhead line renewals 77 per cent. Meanwhile, poorly planned engineering works have caused massive disruption and chaos at London Bridge and Victoria stations in the capital
. (FT)

The reports have obviously led to speculation about delayed and canned projects....

A review this summer is likely to see major electrification projects shelved until the next decade as escalating costs add billions to the bill.... The electrification of the Midland mainline – described by Network Rail as “critical to delivering a reliable and sustainable railway and tackling overcrowding” on the line from London to Sheffield – could now be axed.
(The Guardian)

.....and the future of Network Rail,

(The regulator) wants to reform this relationship so government subsidies go directly to train operators, whose revenues are more closely tied to keeping passengers satisfied. This could include raising track access charges, which are currently 20-25 per cent of what they would be if they reflected Network Rail’s true costs. The government subsidy would then be channelled through train operators, which would use it to help pay track access charges. “This would create proper commercial arrangements between Network Rail and the train companies and incentivise both sides to keep costs down,” (FT)

Patrick McLoughin, the transport secretary, is understood to be resisting pressure from the Treasury to explore a possible break-up and privatisation of Network Rail, but on Thursday he refused to rule it out in response to questions in the Commons. (Guardian)

Finally, if this wasn't bad enough, Network Rail produced their annual results showing a halving of profits and debt up by £5bn.

The report underlines problems at Network Rail that have caused consternation in Whitehall since the rail infrastructure owner and operator’s burgeoning debt came onto the government’s balance sheet last September. Annual results published on Thursday showed the debt had risen to £37.8bn from just under £33bn in 2014. (Guardian)

A lot to take in at this time in the morning, but I don't see a government now planning to legislate that government spending must operate at a surplus letting things continue as they are.
 
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Some rather amusing comments/ rants on the BBC page:

"The rail system in the UK is a mess. It should never have been privatised. Transport is an essential utility that should NOT be subjected to greedy free market forces."

"Anyone surprised when you give vital infrastructure to the private sector ?!!!!! Profit does not mach with the common good - it never did...."

At least one person made a correct statement!

"Oh dear. So many calls for re-nationalisation and ranting about fat cats. The usual missing of the point - NR is not in the private sector. It was set up as a not-for-profit company under a Labour Govenment and has now amassed some £37bn in debt. It's a mess and it's effectively already publicly-owned. Still, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good leftie rant."
 

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Some rather amusing comments/ rants on the BBC page:

"The rail system in the UK is a mess. It should never have been privatised. Transport is an essential utility that should NOT be subjected to greedy free market forces."

"Anyone surprised when you give vital infrastructure to the private sector ?!!!!! Profit does not mach with the common good - it never did...."

At least one person made a correct statement!

"Oh dear. So many calls for re-nationalisation and ranting about fat cats. The usual missing of the point - NR is not in the private sector. It was set up as a not-for-profit company under a Labour Govenment and has now amassed some £37bn in debt. It's a mess and it's effectively already publicly-owned. Still, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good leftie rant."

Except the private company Railtrack went bankrupt.
 

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Has anybody found a detailed ORR source for these reports?
All I can find is their Annual Report, which covers the subject at a high level but does not suggest they are about the send the bailiffs in.
Here are a couple of extracts (page 17, 22): http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/18155/annual-report-2014-15-print.pdf
However, there were shortcomings with the delivery of the enhancements programme.
More than a third of completion outputs and regulated project developments were missed.
Slippage in the project development programme contributed to delays in Network Rail’s
ECAM (enhancements cost adjustment mechanism) submission plan. There was also a
general trend towards cost escalation. Network Rail put in place an improvement plan to
address these issues but it had not had significant impact by year end.
Following clarification of the funding arrangements in November 2014, the Valleys
electrification project is currently under review. The Welsh Government is examining
options but this will delay the delivery of the scheme which is currently on hold.

The NR response (http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/18155/annual-report-2014-15-print.pdf) lists achievements but does not refer to the delivery problems.
Once again we get references to "decades of underinvestment".

What we actually need is transparency about what is happening, and detailed plans for delivery of CP5 enhancements.
All this has done is ratchet up the political temperature towards the "something must be done" level.
I can't see any hint of MML electrification being axed, mooted in the Guardian report.

Edit: The ORR web site now has what I think is the detailed report on which the press comment is based:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/18157/network-rail-monitor-2014-15-q3-4.pdf
 
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Has anybody found a detailed ORR source for these reports?
All I can find is their Annual Report, which covers the subject at a high level but does not suggest they are about the send the bailiffs in.
Here are a couple of extracts (page 17, 22): http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/18155/annual-report-2014-15-print.pdf



The NR response (http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/18155/annual-report-2014-15-print.pdf) lists achievements but does not refer to the delivery problems.
Once again we get references to "decades of underinvestment".

What we actually need is transparency about what is happening, and detailed plans for delivery of CP5 enhancements.
All this has done is ratchet up the political temperature towards the "something must be done" level.
I can't see any hint of MML electrification being axed, mooted in the Guardian report.

Edit: The ORR web site now has what I think is the detailed report on which the press comment is based:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/18157/network-rail-monitor-2014-15-q3-4.pdf

Yes the report is somewhat boring compared with the briefings that someone (presumably the regulator, possibly the DfT) has been giving the press. However the articles are totally correct with the poor progress against developments in year 1 of CP5. There are a couple of sections that made me chuckle.

In the section on Asset Management (aka maintenance), the regulator describes the performance as"mixed"and they certainly are. Line renewals are a mere 7% behind plan, but switches and crossings maintenance is 35% behind, signalling 63% and OLE a whopping 77% behind plan. Spending on completed tasks is 19% over budget. Despite this the regulator expects Network Rail to meet its CP5 target of 72% for "Asset Management Excellence". All I can say if I had report performance like this to my bosses I wouldn't be getting an award for excellence.

The final words - "Network Rail is updating its CP5 business plans to reflect its latest views on when outputs will be delivered and revised cost information. This process has taken longer than expected and we are currently reviewing the draft plans."

Yes after all the delays reported in CP5 to date, the revised CP5 plan is...... late.


Edit: While the regulator is not calling the baillifs in (and I'm certainly no accountant) it does seem that the regulator can write down Network Rail's asset value by a sum calculated to reflect passenger impact of the delays (p29) and plans to do so by £430m (I think). If anyone understands what this means and whether it has any real significance, I'd appreciate any clarification.
 
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One thing I find amusing, Government reduced Network Rail funding by £300m per year and forced them to reduce staff numbers making projects more 'efficient', NR makes a loss of £500m and a third of projects are running late. Overhead renewals 77% behind target when they are throwing everything at a electrification projects to try and keep them slipping too much while track renewals are only 7% behind target.

Think I can see a partial explanation there somewhere.....
 
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One thing I find amusing, Government reduced Network Rail funding by £300m per year and forced them to reduce staff numbers making projects more 'efficient', NR makes a loss of £500m and a third of projects are running late. Overhead renewals 77% behind target when they are throwing everything at a electrification projects to try and keep them slipping too much while track renewals are only 7% behind target.

Think I can see a partial explanation there somewhere.....

Well yes, Network Rail planned a 22% increase in "efficiency" during CP5 (does this equate to productivity, I'm not sure), the first years results - down 2.2% (p7). A mere 11% increase next year will be required to meet Year 2's plan (but not make up any of the Year 1 backlog).
 

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The one area I know is signalling renewal and it is an absolute mess. A few points to note

1. The money requested from the ORR for CP5 stated that 5% of the money would be used for abnormals ie renewal scope that is not included in the SEU renewal rate. The true picture is more like 20%!

2. There is only one major signalling supplier delivering and the cost of engaging them are shooting up thus nullifying any efficiencies planned

3. Some in NR still view the renewal scope as doing the best thing for the railway and the willingness to accept scope creep rather than restricting the job to what the ORR have funded. This explains the budget problems identified in 1. above
 

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Edit: While the regulator is not calling the baillifs in (and I'm certainly no accountant) it does seem that the regulator can write down Network Rail's asset value by a sum calculated to reflect passenger impact of the delays (p29) and plans to do so by £430m (I think). If anyone understands what this means and whether it has any real significance, I'd appreciate any clarification.

I think NR's income from the TOCs is based on the asset value (higher asset value = higher access charges).
So cutting the asset base = lower future income. (I think).
It's a sort of delayed penalty.
 

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At this level of failure there would normally be changes to the leadership, and senior execs.

Unfortunately that is not happening (or at least fast enough), so perhaps the next course of action is for passenger and user groups to bring forward civil cases against the program managers responsible for the failures. These under-performers have to realise that they can not get away with hiding in public entities.
 

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One could argue that these are the best that NRs limited money could buy and that anyone worth their salt wouldn't be working for Network Rail but earning more money in the private sector.
 

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One could argue that these are the best that NRs limited money could buy and that anyone worth their salt wouldn't be working for Network Rail but earning more money in the private sector.

I'm not familiar with the relevant remuneration numbers in that area, but it would fit with one of the proposals to take major projects away from NR so that the work could be assigned to competent agencies and contractors.
 

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One could argue that these are the best that NRs limited money could buy and that anyone worth their salt wouldn't be working for Network Rail but earning more money in the private sector.

I think that the money NR gets is way above what BR had to manage with. Not so sure where you get the "limited money" quote from ....

(consider BR renewals on the Cambrian circa 1986 - 80 mph was reached by using ex ECML rail , and on the bullhead sections - resleepering was done by recycling ex GWR cast iron chairs with reconditioned ex mainline sleepers -cost about £15 per "new" sleeper.

VFM anyone ?
 

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Has there actually been any detailed analysis as to why even the most basic of projects completed by Network Rail cost so much money? A few spring to mind such as the £3.5 Million new single-platform station at Pye Corner and the £7.8 Million cost of a passing loop at Penryn. Even supposed "budget innovations" like the Harrington Hump can cost between £25k and £75k a pop. And can anyone suggest why a basic Macemain shelter costs a six figure sum to buy and install? I was at a meeting recently where Network Rail quoted such a large sum for the removal of an existing shelter and a replacement Macemain shelter, that another attendee at the meeting was able to find a house for sale right next to the station for 35% less!
 

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I think that the money NR gets is way above what BR had to manage with. Not so sure where you get the "limited money" quote from ....

Limited in the sense that its £38 billion over five years. I am sure the private sector pays better for those worth their salt. However I agree with you that BR had less money to play with than NR but didn't Thatcher also make some remark along the lines of if you were any good you wouldn't be working here, a reference to BR.
 

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Has there actually been any detailed analysis as to why even the most basic of projects completed by Network Rail cost so much money? A few spring to mind such as the £3.5 Million new single-platform station at Pye Corner and the £7.8 Million cost of a passing loop at Penryn. Even supposed "budget innovations" like the Harrington Hump can cost between £25k and £75k a pop. And can anyone suggest why a basic Macemain shelter costs a six figure sum to buy and install? I was at a meeting recently where Network Rail quoted such a large sum for the removal of an existing shelter and a replacement Macemain shelter, that another attendee at the meeting was able to find a house for sale right next to the station for 35% less!

Cant speak to the shelters but platform extensions are surprisingly expensive when you factor in the materials, staffing, planning, safety assessments, compensation for any possessions, possible changes to track, moving signalling etc... in the order of £100k per metre extension.
 

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Has there actually been any detailed analysis as to why even the most basic of projects completed by Network Rail cost so much money? A few spring to mind such as the £3.5 Million new single-platform station at Pye Corner and the £7.8 Million cost of a passing loop at Penryn. Even supposed "budget innovations" like the Harrington Hump can cost between £25k and £75k a pop. And can anyone suggest why a basic Macemain shelter costs a six figure sum to buy and install? I was at a meeting recently where Network Rail quoted such a large sum for the removal of an existing shelter and a replacement Macemain shelter, that another attendee at the meeting was able to find a house for sale right next to the station for 35% less!

This has come up more than a few times in the past .... you really do have to wonder. I would have thought however that now NR are subject officially to the Freedom of Information act, some sort of granular detail about costs could well be obtained......I ve seen some replies in the past when NR were repsonding to FOI requests when they were not under obligation to respond, and they were very candid.
 

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I am sure the private sector pays better for those worth their salt.

Possibly. I'd say that NR staff are quite highly paid though. There's more TOC staff move to NR than vice versa, which must indicate something.

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Has there actually been any detailed analysis as to why even the most basic of projects completed by Network Rail cost so much money?

In my experience there are several reasons, which have some correlation:

1. They have very large project teams that charge their hours to the project

2. All these project managers need to show they've done something, so you get over-specification and scope creep

3. NR procurement is patchy

4. NR's "arse-protection" processes get in the way of efficient working

5. NR setup often leads to inter-departmental strife due to management 'demarcation' disputes between routes and central departments
 
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