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m00036

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This morning I had a return ticket from Blackwater to Theale but realised I would want to return to Camberley. Knowing the evening connection would be tight (4 minutes at Reading), I bought the excess this morning.

On my return journey, my inbound journey was delayed so I missed my connection. However two different ticket office members didn’t know how to refund an excess and said I could only claim delay repay (which I can’t as the connection was below the minimum connection time, MCT). Was this correct?
 
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It's difficult to see an argument there was a delay in that case I think.
 

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Agreed, it’s whether the delay means that the fee should have been waived.
Any disruption should grant the fee being waived.

OP, I'd suggest writing into the TOC who sold the excess's customer support and set out the situation.
 

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(As added clarification, having missed the connection I would have just returned to Blackwater instead of using the excess) I’ll contact customer services to see if I can get anything.
 

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This morning I had a return ticket from Blackwater to Theale but realised I would want to return to Camberley. Knowing the evening connection would be tight (4 minutes at Reading), I bought the excess this morning.

On my return journey, my inbound journey was delayed so I missed my connection. However two different ticket office members didn’t know how to refund an excess and said I could only claim delay repay (which I can’t as the connection was below the minimum connection time, MCT). Was this correct?
What was your planned itinerary and what were the actual timings?

Either way, the ticket office was talking nonsense (no surprise there).
 

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What was your planned itinerary and what were the actual timings?

Either way, the ticket office was talking nonsense (no surprise there).
The planned itinerary was 18:24 Theale to Reading, arriving 18:35, and then Reading to Camberley at 18:39. The inbound from Theale arrived at 18:39 so the connection was no longer makeable. The MCT means that I have no entitlement to anything to my knowledge; then again, I’m pretty sure that a delay of any magnitude can allow a fee-free refund for choosing not to travel which might(?) apply in this case.
 

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The planned itinerary was 18:24 Theale to Reading, arriving 18:35, and then Reading to Camberley at 18:39
You mean this...?

Reading 1839
Ascot 1907

Ascot 1919
Camberley 1931

Although I believe the excess fare, once issued, arguably does entitle travel via Ascot, that is certainly not the intention of an OD excess.

So, your argument is along the lines that you want a fee-free refund of an excess fare which was to be used via a route for which, if it was known you would be taking, the OD excess may have been refused, and via an itinerary that isn't a valid itinerary as it doesn't meet the minimum connection time?

I don't think it's worth arguing over £4.60 (which is the value based on an undiscounted Anytime Day Return; you've not specified the ticket type or any discounts)

. The inbound from Theale arrived at 18:39 so the connection was no longer makeable. The MCT means that I have no entitlement to anything to my knowledge; then again, I’m pretty sure that a delay of any magnitude can allow a fee-free refund for choosing not to travel which might(?) apply in this case.
The question is whether a 3 minute delay on an invalid connection entitles to you a fee-free refund of a fare for a journey that was only possible on the basis of making an invalid connection.

If the following applied, you'd be entitled to it:
Your ticket is refundable (with no admin fee) if the service you planned to travel on is delayed or cancelled, and you choose not to travel.
I think it may be a bit of a stretch to say this fully applies in this case.

If it was a valid itinerary, then you would.

Delay Repay clearly does not apply; I wonder if they said that to fob you off. If Delay Repay applied, that would mean it was a valid connection, meaning they should be issuing a refund as you did not travel.

Unfortunately such nonsense from ticket office staff is not uncommon.
 

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Thanks @yorkie for your comprehensive reply (and yes that was the intended itinerary), I don't see any value in pursuing it because, as you say, I hadn't left sufficient connection time. I hadn't actually considered that the ticket might not be valid at all - in my mind it just changed my ticket from the original Blackwater to Theale to the new Camberley to Theale (which just so happens to be valid via both Blackwater/North Camp/Ash Vale and via Ascot).

In the end I did travel via Ascot to Camberley on the 19:09; The ticket was inspected twice, once at Bracknell and once at Bagshot, and on each occasion they incorrectly accepted the Blackwater to Theale ticket without seeing the excess.

Thanks all for your thoughts anyway :)
 
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