Reform UK discussion

[brad465]

Surely he has left due to the question asked by one of his colleagues at PMQs today?

Which would meet the definition of a fall out.

 

[JamesT]

I'm surprised he was ever a) offered the chairman role, and b) took it to be quite honest. Reform is obviously not the party for Muslims.

He gave them a lot of money. It doesn't particularly surprise me, Muslims aren't any more homogeneous than any other group. There will be a lot of rationalising of ‘good’ Muslims who integrate into British society rather than the radical ones.

 

[styles]

He gave them a lot of money. It doesn't particularly surprise me, Muslims aren't any more homogeneous than any other group. There will be a lot of rationalising of ‘good’ Muslims who integrate into British society rather than the radical ones.

Muslims may not be a homogeneous group, but I really doubt they are made to feel welcome in Reform. Certainly not as party leader. This was practically inevitable.

 

[muz379]

Muslims may not be a homogeneous group, but I really doubt they are made to feel welcome in Reform. Certainly not as party leader. This was practically inevitable.

Farage has certainly said a lot of things that could be easily intepreted as unwelcoming towards Muslims in the past , and the parties membership is absolutely full of the usual cranks that hold deeply unsavoury views about Muslims .

Interestingly though , Farage actually has a lot more in common with fellow millionaire Zia Yusuf than of all the out and out racists within the parties 'membership'

 

[oldman]

An unpleasantly strong performance by Reform in Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse, even though they came third.

Comparing percentages with the last election:

SNP 46 down to 29
Labour 34 down to 32
Reform 0 up to 26
Tory 17 down to 6

 

[AlterEgo]

An unpleasantly strong performance by Reform in Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse, even though they came third.

Comparing percentages with the last election:

SNP 46 down to 29
Labour 34 down to 32
Reform 0 up to 26
Tory 17 down to 6

There is a lot of complacency about Reform in Scotland, and the idea that Scotland has some special inoculation from xenophobia is quite mainstream.

 

[styles]

There is a lot of complacency about Reform in Scotland, and the idea that Scotland has some special inoculation from xenophobia is quite mainstream.

Indeed. People seem to forget that Scotland is 93% white, 87% white Scottish/British.

I was in a pub a few weeks back and somehow ended up talking to a bloke about cycle infrastructure. He very sharpish turned it round to Sadiq Khan in London, who he called a c**n, a word I don't think I've ever actually heard said out loud in real life. I've got a family member and his mates who still refer to ordering a c****y instead of a Chinese, and you can guess what they call the corner shop. That's not to say they're definitely Reform voters, but I'd put money on the bloke in the pub being one.

 

[oldman]

There is a lot of complacency about Reform in Scotland, and the idea that Scotland has some special inoculation from xenophobia is quite mainstream.

How dare you - it's official, it must be true. According to scotland.org, 'brought to you by the Scottish Government'

Scotland is a progressive nation built on dynamism, creativity and the fabulous warmth of its people

and

We welcome people from all over the world. This is because we value the contribution people who move here make to our society and economy. We value the diversity they bring.

Ostensibly this is for the outside world, but it also speaks to an internal audience for Scottish exceptionalism.

 

[RailWonderer]

Why is the burka ban controversial? France, Belgium, Denmark and Austria all banned it and all by liberal governments. The ECHR ruled that it was anti-social and while it is important to respect individual liberty of religious practice, the burka screams don't-approach-me and creates a thick barrier of distrust and division and doesn't help integration at all. Integration, they ruled, was key in a western liberal democracy. Since the government has no intention of curbing migration and wants to see it accelerate, this ban will be necessary to allow for integration and no religious extremism. If you want to wear a burka, move to Saudi Arabia.

Too much tolerance becomes indifference and when you have indifference like the worrying amount seen here, you no longer have a society. It was Thatcher that correctly said there is no society in Britain, just a bunch of individuals, but unlike what Thatcher thought, that will be Britain's downfall, not its strength.

 

[styles]

I think we would need to either ban all face coverings (for the reasons you list), or allow all face coverings (on the basis of individual freedom).

I don't really think banning the burka alone is a reasonable policy.

You will note that this is what France, Belgium, and Denmark have done. So it prohibits wearing balaclavas and ski helmets as much as it does wearing burkas.

I wouldn't be against a ban on full face coverings, though not necessarily for the burka reason - a lot of crime and antisocial behaviour is caused by people riding round in balaclavas ('ballys'), probably a lot more than those wearing burkas.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Why is the burka ban controversial? France, Belgium, Denmark and Austria all banned it and all by liberal governments. The ECHR ruled that it was anti-social and while it is important to respect individual liberty of religious practice, the burka screams don't-approach-me and creates a thick barrier of distrust and division and doesn't help integration at all. Integration, they rules was key in a western liberal democracy. Since the government has no intention of curbing migration and wants to see it accelerate, this ban will be necessary to allow for integration and no religious extremism. If you want to wear a burka, move to Saudi Arabia.

Too much tolerance becomes indifference and when you have indifference like the worrying amount seen here, you no longer have a society. It was Thatcher that corectly said there is no society in Britain, just a bunch of individuals, but unlike what Thatcher thought, that will be Britain's downfall, not its strength.

I think the point made is that, using your first question to ask this, as opposed to all other things that are taking toll on the country currently, is just optics and appearing to be anti woke rather than actual meaningfully changing peoples lives.

 

[alex397]

I’ve never felt threatened by a woman in a burka.
But I have felt threatened by young males in balaclavas and full face coverings causing anti-social behaviour in towns.

Typical of Reform and their supporters to be more concerned about women in burkas going about their business.

I’m not a particular fan of the burka as it is a symbol of religious oppression. But go to most Muslim communities in the UK, and I’d say most women do not wear them. It’s really not an issue that needs a particular focus , in my view.
What impact are women in burqas really having on the UK? Is it having a major devastating impact on the average person’s day to day life? That’s what Reform supporters need to ask themselves, if they have the capacity to do so.

 

[DarloRich]

An unpleasantly strong performance by Reform in Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse, even though they came third.

Comparing percentages with the last election:

SNP 46 down to 29
Labour 34 down to 32
Reform 0 up to 26
Tory 17 down to 6

the "chatter" was this would be a close race between SNP & Reform. It was. Labour came through the middle.

Why is the burka ban controversial?

Because it is a poorly thought out, immature, reform idea splurge designed to excite the electoral erogenous zones of thier supporters.

Integration, they rules was key in a western liberal democracy

What does that mean? Can you explain it? What does it look like?

 

[brad465]

Too much tolerance becomes indifference and when you have indifference like the worrying amount seen here, you no longer have a society. It was Thatcher that corectly said there is no society in Britain, just a bunch of individuals, but unlike what Thatcher thought, that will be Britain's downfall, not its strength.

Citing that quote isn't the win you think it is.

 

[Thirteen]

Labour's percentage drop in the by election is actually alright. Not that they were ever going to win but Reform ate into both the SNP and the Tories.

 

[DarloRich]

Just seen a socials post from one of the Reform whopper MP's celebrating D-Day. They used a picture of American soldiers. They are so proud of our history....................................

 

[oldman]

the "chatter" was this would be a close race between SNP & Reform. It was. Labour came through the middle.

That is totally meaningless. It was always a three-way contest, as the polls indicated. Each party attacked the other two. Happily the 1-2-3 turned out the right way though there wasn't a lot in it.

A lot of the journalist chatter wrote down the new MP because he avoided media interviews. Instead he spoke to the voters. Sneaky tactics.

 

[AlterEgo]

I’ve never felt threatened by a woman in a burka.
But I have felt threatened by young males in balaclavas and full face coverings causing anti-social behaviour in towns.

Typical of Reform and their supporters to be more concerned about women in burkas going about their business.

I’m not a particular fan of the burka as it is a symbol of religious oppression. But go to most Muslim communities in the UK, and I’d say most women do not wear them. It’s really not an issue that needs a particular focus , in my view.
What impact are women in burqas really having on the UK? Is it having a major devastating impact on the average person’s day to day life? That’s what Reform supporters need to ask themselves, if they have the capacity to do so.

I have never seen a burqa ever in the UK.

What most people think is a burqa is in fact a niqab.

 

[SuspectUsual]

Just seen a socials post from one of the Reform whopper MP's celebrating D-Day. They used a picture of American soldiers. They are so proud of our history....................................

And stuck a big Reform logo on it. Disgusting man

 

[jon0844]

Farage has certainly said a lot of things that could be easily intepreted as unwelcoming towards Muslims in the past , and the parties membership is absolutely full of the usual cranks that hold deeply unsavoury views about Muslims .

Interestingly though , Farage actually has a lot more in common with fellow millionaire Zia Yusuf than of all the out and out racists within the parties 'membership'

As the 1%, it's hard to get votes and win power when 99% of the electorate aren't like you.

So you need to act like you're one of those, and Farage and other populists know exactly what to say.

Everything he does is about making money, which is why he has so many jobs and used to make money selling investing tips to 'normals' that weren't worth the paper they were written on. He's always been a grifter.

I expect the issues behind controlled doors relate more to things like financing.

 

[DarloRich]

What a pointless comment. Is he suggesting that we shouldn’t be spending money on these ‘evil’ children? Not sure that would help reduce anti-social behaviour and crime.

On the plus side at least the Council's executive director actually gets it

Reform have acted quickly over this matter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v79jle6qpo

A newly elected councillor who called some children in care "downright evil" has been removed from his committee role, after his party called the comments "clumsy and regrettable".

Reform UK's Andy Osborn made the remark during Cambridgeshire County Council's children and young people committee meeting on Tuesday.

Group leader James Sidlow said he would sit on the panel instead of Osborn after the issue was dealt with internally.

 

[Bald Rick]

Why is the burka ban controversial?

How would you like being told you can‘t wear what you want to?

Personally, before banning the burqa, I would ban the wearing of Crocs in a public place.

 

[RailWonderer]

How would you like being told you can‘t wear what you want to?

Personally, before banning the burqa, I would ban the wearing of Crocs in a public place.

Completely fine with it. Crocs are a fantastic shoe, and with socks even better.

 

[dangie]

Completely fine with it. Crocs are a fantastic shoe, and with socks even better.

Spot on. I wear crocs & socks much to the grandchildrens displeasure

 

[alex397]

I have never seen a burqa ever in the UK.

What most people think is a burqa is in fact a niqab.

Indeed, you’re correct. That’s me showing my ignorance!

I have actually seen burqas used in Tower Hamlets, London, but it is very rare. Niqabs are more common, which would still cause concern to a Reform supporter, but most religious Muslim women wear the coverings which just cover the head, showing the full face, of which there are various types. Surely those would be ok for Reform seeing as it’s not much different from a Catholic nun’s habit?

 

[cb a1]

Let's hope no-one from Reform has ever been to a traditional Christian wedding or funeral. Very common for veils to be worn covering the whole face.

 

[brad465]

How would you like being told you can‘t wear what you want to?

Personally, before banning the burqa, I would ban the wearing of Crocs in a public place.

The irony of some saying "Ban the Burqa!" while turning up to protests like this:

(Image of EDL protestor with black hoodie and black balaclava on)

 

[AlterEgo]

The irony of some saying "Ban the Burka!" while turning up to protests like this:

(Image of EDL protestor with black hoodie and black balaclava on)

The protester could probably be identified by dental records (!)

 

[dgl]

Spot on. I wear crocs & socks much to the grandchildrens displeasure

Now that's the kind of people we need to deport

 

[dcbwhaley]

An unpleasantly strong performance by Reform in Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse, even though they came third.

Comparing percentages with the last election:

SNP 46 down to 29
Labour 34 down to 32
Reform 0 up to 26
Tory 17 down to 6

If they regard coming third as a good result then we have nothing to fear from Reform